Well, it's really up to Square Enix, as to how stripped-down it would have to be, and with us not being developers and all, we really can't make proper assertations as to how well Square Enix can push the Wii until they have no other option BUT to push the hardware to its breaking point.Manmademan said:
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NPD Hardware Sales Results for February 2007
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Manmademan
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Terrell said:
I'll drink to that
Avutta1978
Member
Angelus said:
lol, so true
PS2: 295000 x 130 = 38350000
PS3: 127000 x 600 = 76200000
PSP: 176000 x 200 = 35200000
=149750000
XBX: 000480 x 110 = 000052800
360: 228000 x 499 = 113772000
=113824800
WII: 335000 x 250 = 83750000
DSL: 485000 x 130 = 63050000
GBA: 136000 x 080 = 10880000
NGC: 024000 x 100 = 02400000
=16008000
Anyone tried this spin?
PS3: 127000 x 600 = 76200000
PSP: 176000 x 200 = 35200000
=149750000
XBX: 000480 x 110 = 000052800
360: 228000 x 499 = 113772000
=113824800
WII: 335000 x 250 = 83750000
DSL: 485000 x 130 = 63050000
GBA: 136000 x 080 = 10880000
NGC: 024000 x 100 = 02400000
=16008000
Anyone tried this spin?
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
ChryZ said:
Been done
Manmademan
Member
ChryZ said:
yeah, it's been done and it's pretty much worthless. it shows raw revenue without taking into account profit margins.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
ChryZ said:
Yeah but how much money are they actually making with each console being sold, though?
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
Manmademan said:
Technically we said the same thing but I didn't say fancy terms like "raw revenue" and "profit margins" so I will keep my post up because I like to write for the common people and not the upscale aristrocats on Wall-Street like you. Why don't you drink your fancy wine, fat cat?
You know it is a scary thing to consider that the 360 has more rpg's in the works than sony has now. The epic nature of ps3 rpg games seem to be in question for me. So far we only got FF13 and that other FF13 game.
Sony's decision to cater to the highest common denominator is kicking my ass when it comes to buying that thing because it is too pricey because of it. I dont need bluray, i dont need hd because i dont have a HDTV. So IF i buy it soon i will need to consider buying a HDTV in the future which i am not willing to do. Same reason why i havent bought a 360 but atleast it is getting games that cater to my taste.
I will buy the 360 after a price drop. But have yet to have a single reason why i need a ps3. And to top it all off i find the design to be offensive and thus most likely offensive to my parents that it wont have a place in the living room like the Wii.
And i think a lot of people are in the same position as me and as such are most interested in the Wii. Even with price drops i dont see the Wii being outpaced in the near future.
Sony's decision to cater to the highest common denominator is kicking my ass when it comes to buying that thing because it is too pricey because of it. I dont need bluray, i dont need hd because i dont have a HDTV. So IF i buy it soon i will need to consider buying a HDTV in the future which i am not willing to do. Same reason why i havent bought a 360 but atleast it is getting games that cater to my taste.
I will buy the 360 after a price drop. But have yet to have a single reason why i need a ps3. And to top it all off i find the design to be offensive and thus most likely offensive to my parents that it wont have a place in the living room like the Wii.
And i think a lot of people are in the same position as me and as such are most interested in the Wii. Even with price drops i dont see the Wii being outpaced in the near future.
You're comparing an action game to a strategy game. A new method of control is huge in action games, but means nothing for strategy games. The remote means nothing for the new Battalion Wars for eg, but it is everything for Wii Sports. Dramatically change the controls in any action game, and you change the gameplay.Flo_Evans said:
Avutta1978
Member
Manmademan said:
still, the wii is making more on the profit cause the console is cheaper to produce, than the other two nnext gen systems
MickeyKnox
Member
Dude I'm NOT disagreeing with you entirely. The 360 is at a much more attractive sticker price than the PS3 and I'm not even talking about that.Manmademan said:
My points were attempting to offer a theory on the state of the PS3's perceived price to the masses and offer a reason why the 20gig wouldn't do much to change that regardless of availability.
The 20gig is a more than viable choice for anybody (if you can find one) the problem is that it's still half a thousand dollars, so the mental price difference between it and the 60gig is not as big as it would be if the 20g was $400 and 60g was $500.
What I'm theorising is that if Sony had the same amount of 20g and 60g systems in the retail channel, you would not see anywhere near as big a difference in the ratio of sales between the two as you would if the 60gig was $500 and the 20gig $400. (with way more people buying the core pack at 400 in comparison to the premium at 500)
Manmademan
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MickeyKnox said:
hmm? oh, yeah I think we're pretty much on the same page. Sorry if I'm coming off as argumentative, I'm a little tired, is all.
Good points all around and food for thought.
Manmademan
Member
Avutta1978 said:
that's pretty much what I was getting at. the ps3 sold 127,000 systems or so, but if they're only breaking even (re: profit is zero) or even losing money then it's nowhere near comparable to nintendo who is well known to be making money per hardware unit at this point.
any way you spin it, this month's numbers were bad for sony. the only positive is perhaps it will spur much needed change sooner rather than later.
milanbaros
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ChryZ said:
Isn't the 360 $399?
Monk said:
Scary for Sony or scary for Sony fans? I'm just going to talk about JRPGs since they draw in quite different fans than Western RPGs. The majority of JRPG fans are still going to be buying PS3s or maybe WIIs, if Sony continues to lose more JRPG support to the WII. Japanese gamers are interested in Blue Dragon/Lost Odyssey but most don't seem interested enough to buy 360s. Square-enix games still seem to carry much more weight with JRPG fans regardless of the quality of the 360 exclusive JRPGs. Because more JRPG fans are still going to be buying PS3s than 360s, the PS3 should still end up with more JRPGs. Of course, this could all change if Square-Enix looks at the NA market and decides to give the 360 more than its 3rd tier MMORPG.
civilstrife
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reilo said:
I know exactly what you mean, but when was the last time that sort of thing was brought about by a new controller?The 2D-3D shift?
Point is, that kind of innovation comes from Developers, not controllers. What Wii offers is a different kind of innovation, one rooted in interface and in ease of use and that's nothing to scoff at.
You also need to get down to examples here. Was GTA3 innovative gameplay-wise, or was it GTA1 that really started it? Was the fact that it was 3D an innovation?
Did the gravity gun innovate the idea of moving and throwing objects around in 3D space? Was the gameplay totally different from any game you've played?
There are different kinds of innovations at play here and your attempts to paint a black and white picture of it doesn't help your argument.
tahrikmili
Member
Sony needs 4D games on the market ASAP.
corrected version:
PS2: 295000 x 130 = 38350000
PS3: 127000 x 600 = 76200000
PSP: 176000 x 200 = 35200000
=149750000
XBX: 000480 x 110 = 000052800
360: 228000 x 399 = 090972000
=91024800
WII: 335000 x 250 = 83750000
DSL: 485000 x 130 = 63050000
GBA: 136000 x 080 = 10880000
NGC: 024000 x 100 = 02400000
=160080000
PS2: 295000 x 130 = 38350000
PS3: 127000 x 600 = 76200000
PSP: 176000 x 200 = 35200000
=149750000
XBX: 000480 x 110 = 000052800
360: 228000 x 399 = 090972000
=91024800
WII: 335000 x 250 = 83750000
DSL: 485000 x 130 = 63050000
GBA: 136000 x 080 = 10880000
NGC: 024000 x 100 = 02400000
=160080000
I understand what you mean, but I think your definition of "gameplay" is far too narrow just to serve your point. In any game that relies on action, the control mechanism is a key part of the gameplay. The remote is really only innovative for these things. Wii chess won't be any better than PS2 chess for example. Although the stylus of the DS is really handy for board and card games and the like, Clubhouse Games is not an innovation in the way that Warioware: Touched is.reilo said:
Ynos Yrros
Banned
Wow. PlayStation 3 really is dead in North America.
Agent Icebeezy
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DJ Sl4m said:
The PS3 was projected to do 200k, it fell short by a lot.
Even after 29 pages of GAF NPD goodness - WOW, I´m still amazed... :lol
The point that interests me: how will this numbers affect 3rd party SW? Can the Euro launch save the PS3 in terms of 3rd party devs NOT jumping ship?
XBOX: profitable
360: if you believe MS, they just broke even, or are even showing a small profit
The point that interests me: how will this numbers affect 3rd party SW? Can the Euro launch save the PS3 in terms of 3rd party devs NOT jumping ship?
ChryZ said:
XBOX: profitable
360: if you believe MS, they just broke even, or are even showing a small profit
Ynos Yrros
Banned
Now that I think of it, wasn't February the month in which SONY got most bad press and no new info\games? So the numbers are quite justified. Just wait for march data!
Tries to keep a straight face
so now that all the ps3 lolling is over, what's up with 360's numbers?
crackdown did a whopping ±430k and the numbers are far lower than last month's. obviously, february numbers are always lower than january's numbers but i expected to see a bump because of crackdown.
but the 360 is still tagging along:lol it's selling pretty consistent which is never a bad thing.
crackdown did a whopping ±430k and the numbers are far lower than last month's. obviously, february numbers are always lower than january's numbers but i expected to see a bump because of crackdown.
but the 360 is still tagging along:lol it's selling pretty consistent which is never a bad thing.
Night_Trekker
Member
reilo said:
I just finished reading this entire thread (ugh) and I do know what you mean (I think), but I don't know that the distinction you're making is all that important. I think the real place we're getting hung up here is that we're are operating with different definitions of what "gameplay" is.
"Gameplay", to me (I won't attempt to speak for anyone else on the subject... I've learned that much from the last few pages), is not just "what you do in the game", it's the entire experience of playing the game. That includes the input method since that's your only way to interact with the game world. A port of a game with less precise controls, even if it's the same game underneath, won't provide the same "gameplay" experience under my definition.
But I think I see where you're coming from (please correct me if I'm wrong). We've seen some shockingly uncreative use of the Wiimote's pointer functionality so far. Replacing button presses with vague Wiimote movements might be technically innovative but it's not that impressive, and this is not at all what I imagined I would be doing with the Wii when it was announced. Wii Sports is popular because it does use the unique strengths of the Wiimote to create a different gameplay (my definition) experience. The Wii needs more titles like that and less of the same old stuff with Wiimote controls tacked on.
So either that's what you mean or you've simply decided that "waggle" is something you dislike or object to on a fundamental level and you're working from that position to justify your viewpoint. Or maybe there's another position I haven't considered... again, let me know if that's the case.
To make myself clear: I'm not making any accusation about your motivation. I'm just trying to parse your argument and understand it.
The real irony of this argument is that the new method of input could lead developers to consider gameplay (your definition) experiences that would not be attempted on more traditional consoles. But we haven't seen much of that yet and I don't think anyone should be faulted for worrying that it won't happen.
tahrikmili
Member
Steroyd said:
Oh I get it, the 4th D is indeed time, and it's now on the market because it's due for release at sometime in the future? Clever Sony!
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
At least he still has cake.homez99 said:
Flesh Into Gear
Member
D3VI0US said:
Well, looks like I'll be having some terrifying nightmares tonight.
It's the story of the Xbox 360 thus far, the sales of the console stay constant no matter what blockbuster title is released because the audience is mostly of people who buy lots of games.
Not that that's a bad thing but it seems hardware sales barely ever reflect when a big title gets released.
MightyHedgehog
Member
That's because the X360 needs a price cut, too. GoW probably pushed a lot of sales but it's hard to tell just how many because it was in the middle of the holiday season. The combo of Halo 3/GTA IV will no doubt push hardware through the roof the months they're released. Still, nothing wrong with slow and steady as long as you're moving uphill.Steroyd said:
So much overreaction, Sony isn't going anywhere and so will traditional controls. This industry itself is big enough to have room for all 3. Variety is never a bad thing. If Sony would just stop with this madness and start shipping the 20gb versions I'd be on board already. They already have a cheaper way of getting into homes and they're not shipping the freaking thing.
chibcicylist
Banned
You forgot the Wii. Only Nintendo has the potential to match, or significantly expand the PS2-like dominance. Blue Ocean and all that. And it seems to be working rather elegantly.MickeyKnox said:
The PS3 situation is getting a bit worrying. They took a massive gamble on their pricing strategy and failed with it. The question is - is this shortage of demand just related to the price or are there other reasons too? With the Wii and the 360 popular choices and the PS2 still going incredibly strong (nearly 300k, wow), are people just not seeing the point of getting a PS3?
Obviously there's not too many games for it out, but the software situation is by no means horrible. They have Resistance, VF5 and Motorstorm out and all the popular sports franchises sans Fifa and NHL. With the very large PS2 fanbase it is baffling that they can't sell more consoles even at this price. I would have thought that they can sell at the very least twice of what they're selling in the US, without hardware shortages even if the thing was 800 dollars.
Will things change in March once they release in Europe? From what I can see they are either shipping millions upon millions into Europe or their launch here will be disappointing too. I can't believe that none of the big online retailers in the UK is sold out of pre-orders yet, they have been available for a good month now.
I don't think anyone could have predicted this a year ago, not even after they announced the price.
The question is, will sales pick up significantly if they drop the price by a 100 Dollars? And by significantly I mean at least double. How soon can they afford a price drop from a publicity standpoint? With the European launch around the corner a pricedrop is quite difficult to execute any time soon I would think.
Obviously there's not too many games for it out, but the software situation is by no means horrible. They have Resistance, VF5 and Motorstorm out and all the popular sports franchises sans Fifa and NHL. With the very large PS2 fanbase it is baffling that they can't sell more consoles even at this price. I would have thought that they can sell at the very least twice of what they're selling in the US, without hardware shortages even if the thing was 800 dollars.
Will things change in March once they release in Europe? From what I can see they are either shipping millions upon millions into Europe or their launch here will be disappointing too. I can't believe that none of the big online retailers in the UK is sold out of pre-orders yet, they have been available for a good month now.
I don't think anyone could have predicted this a year ago, not even after they announced the price.
The question is, will sales pick up significantly if they drop the price by a 100 Dollars? And by significantly I mean at least double. How soon can they afford a price drop from a publicity standpoint? With the European launch around the corner a pricedrop is quite difficult to execute any time soon I would think.