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NPD January 2013 Sales Results [Up7: Wii U 57K (CNET), Vita ~35K, PS3 201K]
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Aquamarine
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Even the Virtual Boy / Saturn were better, guys.
He's probably including this:
http://www.planetvb.com/modules/advertising/?r08
...As part of the launch.
At least the Virtual Boy got into more homes, albeit for a more limited time.
Byakuya769
Member
Ain't gonna happen.
The wii U is just not a compelling purchase. It repackages wii/3ds games with current gen graphics and an esoteric controller interface that adds few truly novel experiences. It was destined to fail, and it was obvious from the lack of mainstream buzz that it would.
SolarPowered
Member
Two handhelds and one console pushing handheld functionality.
Megadragon15
Member
That is an overly optimistic prediction for the Vita.
They actually have a market to appeal too, they should be fine. People make out price is such an issue, if the value is there and the want, the price doesn't matter too much, people will pay.
Look at PS3 early days, it's doing better than WiiU and it was $599 ...
Psychological Intellect
Banned
gat damn @ vita sales
The PS4 & Xbox Next will be fine, but the first year when they are both out should be fun. Plenty of consoles everywhere.
Yeah. This is not good.
leatherhat
Member
The difference being that vita is a dedicated handheld in the age of smart phones and completely irrelevant to sony itself (themselves?). WiiU is supposedly nintendo's future.
The software sales thing isn't that alarming when you consider the amount of hardware sold for the month and the fact that its basically Mario, Nintendoland, and ZombiU putting up those numbers.
He already did that last month.
He already did that last month.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Looks like Wii U is Nintendo's Vita.
I don't think the Vita / Wii U spell doom for PS4/720 either, in fact I think it's probably a good thing for both of those systems as I feel they'll be far more popular and eat into market share that Nintendo used to have last gen.
Problem with Wii U is that it's basically a Wii, with third party support that's just as bad, just as late to the party with nothing exciting, nothing that interests the casuals....
You're left with the GameCube audience, problem is they don't have the core games that attracted the GameCube audience, so now we have a subset of a very tiny portion of Nintendo's business. It's very bad for Nintendo, though it can and will improve once the software lineup gets better...but I have a feeling the system is destined to do less than 40 million lifetime sales, perhaps MUCH less.
Were any PS3 figures or estimates leaked?
I don't think the Vita / Wii U spell doom for PS4/720 either, in fact I think it's probably a good thing for both of those systems as I feel they'll be far more popular and eat into market share that Nintendo used to have last gen.
Problem with Wii U is that it's basically a Wii, with third party support that's just as bad, just as late to the party with nothing exciting, nothing that interests the casuals....
You're left with the GameCube audience, problem is they don't have the core games that attracted the GameCube audience, so now we have a subset of a very tiny portion of Nintendo's business. It's very bad for Nintendo, though it can and will improve once the software lineup gets better...but I have a feeling the system is destined to do less than 40 million lifetime sales, perhaps MUCH less.
Were any PS3 figures or estimates leaked?
Baconsammy
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When a poorly conceived console with no games flops out of the gate? Sounds like a good sign for the video game market.
SolarPowered
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I don't think that would really count. That would be like saying Too Human was a great success because of the total number of sells and rentals.
I'd actually characterize it as pessimistic for Wii U.
airmangataosenai
Member
To be fair it probably will surpass the GBA in Japan at least with it almost certainly having a longer life cycle, whether it tops the PSP isn't quite as certain but still fairly likely.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Of course the Wii U deserves its bad sales. Nintendo earned it. And it would be a pretty huge accomplishment if the PS4/720 sold this poorly.
They might not do as well as some think, but to do this bad? Doubt it......and I highly doubt even more that they'd deserve to sell that badly.
Unless it includes a resignation, who cares?
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Any PS3 numbers? Must be >200K right.
Even if Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart turn it around it will only leave the system at most reaching Gamecube levels like I said. The Gamecube was a cheaper alternative with every Nintendo IP and great third party support, far better than the Wii U will ever receive, and it came in last.
Nintendo is coming in last this gen whether they're doomed or not.
Father_Brain
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I'd say the 2/20 part is more overly optimistic than the Vita>Wii U part.
shinra-bansho
Member
Vita is already dead.
The PS3 was $599. It's not about price, it's about market demographics and value proposition.
maquiladora
Member
A long floundering handheld Vs. a major home console in its first few months on sale.
lazybones18
Banned
Maybe the Vita will surpass Wii U next month :/
Half arsed analogy time!
Nintendo = Republicans
Lack of advertising/software investment = austerity
Going back to traditional controls = winding back welfare
Relying on old IPs and sequels = social conservatism
Wii fit u/brain training/handheld and eshop pricing = refusal to change policy after 2012 election/evolution denial
E3 2012 = Rubio water bottle
You can't explain that!
Nintendo = Republicans
Lack of advertising/software investment = austerity
Going back to traditional controls = winding back welfare
Relying on old IPs and sequels = social conservatism
Wii fit u/brain training/handheld and eshop pricing = refusal to change policy after 2012 election/evolution denial
E3 2012 = Rubio water bottle
You can't explain that!
What about the Vita doing worse and being a better conceived console with games?
So, the 3DO and the CD-i don't count, but rentals do?
That's some Kung Lao kind of spinning.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
No, it's not.
And the Vita deserves its place just as much too. Way too expensive for a dedicated handheld in the post smartphone/tablet market and terrible anti-consumer memory card storage situation. And most of the games being ps3 ports.
Vita got where it is by it's own accord.
Looking through this thread some more, it seems like the most generally agreed upon issue here is the Wii U's lack of software. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if Nintendo decided to go into "panic mode" and attempt to save the Wii U with a ton of 1st party games, isn't there a good chance that the Wii U will just preform similarly to the Gamecube? I mean, the Gamecube still had stuff like Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros, but it still didn't do that well sales wise. Granted, this tactic seems to have helped with the 3DS, but I can't help but feel like the Orbis and Durango are going to cut into the Wii U's mindshare much more than iOS and the Vita cut into the 3DS's mindshare.
I think if Nintendo wants the Gamepad concept to work out better than the gamecube, they'd need to provide software that sells the general public on the concept instead of busting out their usual stable of franchises to please the fans. AKA something in the vein of how Wii Sports and Wii Fit sold people on motion controls rather than 3D Mario and Zelda.
The issue here is that the Wii U launched with nothing as defining as Wii Sports, so I have a question for the people who know more about the business side of gaming... How many examples are there of system defining software "saving" a video game system a significant time after launch? From lurking here on GAF, the only example I can think of is what Monster Hunter did to the PSP in Japan. I guess there's the PS3, but correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't continued third party support and price drops a bigger factor than Sony's First Party games? again I'm sorta new to the business side of video games, so I'm wondering if I'm missing something here.
I think if Nintendo wants the Gamepad concept to work out better than the gamecube, they'd need to provide software that sells the general public on the concept instead of busting out their usual stable of franchises to please the fans. AKA something in the vein of how Wii Sports and Wii Fit sold people on motion controls rather than 3D Mario and Zelda.
The issue here is that the Wii U launched with nothing as defining as Wii Sports, so I have a question for the people who know more about the business side of gaming... How many examples are there of system defining software "saving" a video game system a significant time after launch? From lurking here on GAF, the only example I can think of is what Monster Hunter did to the PSP in Japan. I guess there's the PS3, but correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't continued third party support and price drops a bigger factor than Sony's First Party games? again I'm sorta new to the business side of video games, so I'm wondering if I'm missing something here.
wrong. Watch Dogs, next-gen CoD and Bungie's Destiny alone will be enough to get the ball rolling. The reason the WiiU is doing so shit is because there's nothing for core gamers and non-gamers don't give a shit about it. Casual gamers (the CoD fanbase) don't care either.
MikeE21286
Member
Yep. Just a couple of the reasons why Vita is in a way worse place. I can't fathom who outside of Sony would work on a non-Sony funded Vita project.
Platform is on life support.
I wonder if Nintendo could have done anything to keep the Wii audience hooked on Nintendo though. Or that Wii was just a flash in a pan. Doomed to fail after the initial hype. Which is hard to believe at 100 million sold.
There is no hope for the Vita. The truth is you care far more about the Vita than Sony does. That's why the Vita deserves its sales: it's been abandoned harder by Sony than the Saturn was by Sega.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
Vita is a premium portable video game system in an era when people just want mobile phone games.
3DS can just about survive because its cheap and kid friendly. Vita has no chance.
Back then, the Wii was also doing gangbusters and you could hardly find a console in the first six months. Different era. Anyway, too early to call since we don't know much about the next Xbox and PlayStation.
It's understandable, Vita is an old system near the end of its life
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Looks like sales will fall way short of even Nintendo's lowered expectations for the fiscal year. This may mean that we will see Iwata step down in the next few months. CEOs have to take responsibility for their companies' failings. Sadly, Iwata had two of the most disastrous console launches of all time under his watch.
GraveRobberX
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So Sony have a decent console in the PS3 and an Abomination that is the Vita (hey I still love mine, but I understand those sales feels)
Nintendo on the other hand has a beastly console that is the 3DS and an Abomination that is the WiiU
Amazing!
Nintendo on the other hand has a beastly console that is the 3DS and an Abomination that is the WiiU
Amazing!
Aye, the Vita isn't going to make or break Sony unless they do something really stupid like dropping the price to $150.