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NPD July Hardware numbers and some interesting facts
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MightyHedgehog
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A good idea would be to create an RE4 bundle for February...or whenever it releases here.
SolidSnakex
Member
AirBrian said:
The GC doesn't have a diversified lineup at all, especially not with Nintendos own in house developed games. That's their main problem.
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Broshnat said:
Mature titles for starters. Like it or not most third parties and the general public pinned the Gamecube as a system thats just for kids from the word go. Nintendo should have tried to change that perception. They should have tried to get GTA-DP, Driv3r (as shitty as it is, its still better than nothing), and a bunch of other stuff.
clipunderground
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Wow. very sad indeed for the Cube. Not deserved at all.
When it all comes down to it though, it's all about image. Sony + Microsoft = Cool
Nintendo = Lame (to the general public)
sad really.
When it all comes down to it though, it's all about image. Sony + Microsoft = Cool
Nintendo = Lame (to the general public)
sad really.
Nintendo is in the same position the N64 would be without Golden Eye. What they need is a mature 3rd party exclusive. It is not something you can invent every day. They bet on Resident Evil. Unless RE4 is a big surprise (sales wise), it will be not the good choice, but this is hardly Nintendo's fault.
SolidSnakex
Member
Broshnat said:
Look at Sony or MS own first party lineups for example. They've got stuff that range from games clearly geared toward kids (or everyone as its called), and games that are geared toward adults. With Nintendo they don't make games geared specifically toward adults (other than the stuff SK released for them). I'm talking about The Getaway/HALO/God of War type stuff. That's how they could actually diversify their lineup outside of a fanbase that's already installed. Nintendo seems to refuse to do that and instead just keeps going along with the same fanbase instead of doing anything to try to expand it.
The 2 companies that actually made games like that (RARE and SK) were dumped by Nintendo basically. No ones saying that Nintendo would have to focus completely on mature games and stop making the games they've been making for years altogether. But if Sony and MS can have lineups like they do, why can't Nintendo?
1. More story oriented games... I liked RPG like Final Fantasy X and Shenmue;Broshnat said:
2. More original fighting games... Something different than Super Smash Bros: Melee - Capcom support in that department would be welcome;
3. More original shooter/spy games... Geist might be interesting, but it takes forever to be released - Metal Gear Solid was good, but remakes aren't new;
4. More original non-futuristic-à-la-Wipeout-or-F-Zero-racing gamees... F-Zero GC was excelent, and Mario Kart was surely fun, but what about a car game for a change?
And before you say it, I already bought a PS2... ;oP
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
Grubdog said:
How does paying $$$ to third parties to make sure that mature titles make it to their system change Nintendo? Nintendo would still be the same.
They should push for a GTA-TP or just a port of GTA:SA, IMO. It'd be better than nothing.
People aren't idiots, they just know what they want. They want games that PS2 and X-Box offers. So they buy those consoles. If Nintendo wants to sell consoles, they need to be competitive. But I don't think that's what they want. They want to keep the market share they already have by not risking much. That's clever but not as lucrative as it could be.Grubdog said:
GC is lost in July because of third party high profile games games like Spiderman 2 and Sports games.
PS2 has the large userbase so alot of people buy it.
xbox has the "best version" of multiplatform games.
GC gets stuck in the middle with no major selling point for the big third party games.
PS2 has the large userbase so alot of people buy it.
xbox has the "best version" of multiplatform games.
GC gets stuck in the middle with no major selling point for the big third party games.
Laurent said:
1) Zelda wipes the floor, Tales Of Symphonia etc
2) Soul Calibur 2
3) True, this is where Rare would have been welcome with a proper Goldeneye / PD sequel
4) Again, true.
It's a vicious circle though.
People think Nintendo consoles are for Kids and so don't buy them if they want serious games, so sports games / realistic racers etc don't sell, so companies stop making them for cube so it becomes a family-orientated console.
The cycle needs to be broken somehow!
capslock said:
With decisions like selling Rare to a competition, where they already got them by the balls, was simply a bad move.
Perfect Dark could've been a launch title to kick off their next console, but no, now it's in the hands of the house of Halo, which will outsell every Nintendo in house title on GC.
Brilliant move, Nintendo. Now start digging your graves while you still got muscles.
SolidSnakex
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"Uhuh and i wonder whats big on the other systems?"
There's no way you can possibly be serious with this response.
There's no way you can possibly be serious with this response.
Dark Dragon said:
PD is worth nothing. Never was worth anything. Rare doing their original franhcise is the dumbest move in the industry. It hink Nintendo lost alot confidence in that period with Rare.
Halo is the only inhouse title of MS to actually sell anything. The rest are flops
Nintendo on the other hand have many multimillion selling titles. So 1 game is well rounded lineup now?clipunderground
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Lukas said:
No that's what happens when people are too immature to understand it's just a system design, not an Icon of how adult one is or isn't. People just follow. That's what they do.
SolidSnakex
Member
"PD is worth nothing. Never was worth anything. "
It's worth more in terms of bringing in new gamers than anything else in Nintendo's own lineup since it's basically completely different from anything else they make.
It's worth more in terms of bringing in new gamers than anything else in Nintendo's own lineup since it's basically completely different from anything else they make.
Deg said:PD is worth nothing. Never was worth anything.
Halo is the only inhouse title of MS to actually sell anything. The rest are flops
To sell anything? Halo = one hell of a system seller.
Can't say the same for Nintendo titles this generation. When games like Mario, Zelda are being outsold by newcomer Halo, there's definately something wrong.
If it proves anything, Mario and Zelda are no longer strong system seller as they once were if the cube are outsell by X-Box every month 2:1.
Ill give you that, but I thought we were talking about diversity. Just because people dont buy third-party games on GCN doesnt mean they dont exist.Dark Dragon said:
I think were getting into semantics. Someone said GCN didnt have a diversified library that statement is wrong. However, the number of exclusives per genre could definitely be improved that I agree with. But again, like I said in my original post, its not about the games. Its the perception thats killing GCN sales. Sure some great exclusive titles could help, but not significantly. At this point, I'm not sure much can be done to change GCN's perception. I do see Nintendo taking some steps though to help the Revolution.
Dark Dragon said:
No one thing ever sells a system. Halo most certainly didnt sell Xbox on its own
Mario and Zelda have done very well and despite biong out less longer and having far more heavyweight competiton on the system. I wouldnt call SSBM a system seller even if its sold as much as Halo worldwide. Also the Xbox doesnt outsell cube 2:1 every month otherwise sales would reflect that. Problem with Xbox is that it lacks many mutlimillion selling titles its easy for Halo to clean up there.