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PS4 won the year and the holiday season AGAIN. Case closed. Everything else is just noise/fodder.
Worldwide...
Pretty much.
But imo Microsoft has the right to do handle PR as they wish as long as it's not a lie (like that ad about only console with HDR).
Certainly it's peculiar to see that the company that is actually winning doesn't even care about giving a comment and trying to pull down competitors while the company who has lost the whole year and an other holiday season notwithstanding countless deals, price cuts and promotions, wants to create success stories that really don't exist at all costs.
And I also find ironic that people who were predicting Xbox to win both November and December and as a logic consequence they should be the most disappointed by this outcome, are instead defending Microsoft and its ''best selling in second half of the year'' accomplishment (which could even be by an insignificant margin knowing MS). Just a few weeks ago it was all about how Sony fucked up its holiday season by offering a very weak Uncharted bundle that no one wanted. Goalpoasts have been moved again I guess.
ethomaz
Banned
Next Thursday.
While Greenberg hasn't quite reached Trump-level truthiness, he's getting there. Can't be many EXP missing until he can level up.
Last I checked Nintendo is still in the videogames department. You really think parents don't associate Nintendo with Sony and Xbox? 2016 holiday was a head to head between Playstation and Xbox as the WiiU was basically taken out of the shelves. This year it will be 3 consoles on the floor with varying bundles and Scorpio premium price tag will be comepting with those.
CosmicQueso
Member
Okay.
Right. You just made that point.
Actually, no. It's not. Other data points that are accurate can add color to the bigger picture, and help people get an understanding of what's going on in the market.
How 3DS did over a certain period, or Wii U, or PS4, or even Xbox One. As long as the details that come out are true, then these details help.
Worldwide...
Okay, but, so? That's a given. Why not go into a media create thread and start talking about WW? It's oranges to the apples of an NPD discussion.
onemanasylum
Banned
"Best Pixels Ever"
Humdinger
Gold Member
Nope. I don't think we ever will (well, maybe someday in the distant future). I imagine it'll be the same with Scorpio.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Not been a good week for Xbox. In fact it hasn't been a good couple of months.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
MS spin means we don't know if it did over how much you quoted.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
This is true. If Switch does any damage, it will mostly be to Xbox. The market leader, PS4, with it's strong line-up this year and room to maneouvre on price, should be unaffected.
Totally disagree. Something Like Zelda appeals way more to a PlayStation gamer than Xbox. Zelda could take away more sales from Horizon to
ArkhamFantasy
Member
This wasnt a good week for any of the big 3.
Xbox-Scalebound cancellation
PS-Closure of Guerilla Cambridge
Nintendo-Absurd pricing on Switch and Accessories.
DriftingSpirit
Member
After that presentation yesterday night, I think Switch needs to focus on dealing with itself before it can potentially overtake X1 and PS4....
Nah, it was up YoY.
My reaction too lol.
Way I see it makes sense for MS to mention taking second half of year (although I suspect we're not talking huge margin) as it's a valid data point.
They could have worded/approached it better but it's a definite improvement hence PR worthy.
That said I believe it was just spike of existing install base upgrading to new model but of course I could be wrong.
Either way PR approach is to imply it's an ongoing shift (which is what they're trying) vs a shorter term boost.
Truth will be known after few NPDs in 2017.
Sony will be happy to take holidays and the year as that puts them net up again vs XB1 with the gap increased overall again of course and probably figure the holiday win will count enough against MS PR to erode the implication of a switch in leadership
They could have worded/approached it better but it's a definite improvement hence PR worthy.
That said I believe it was just spike of existing install base upgrading to new model but of course I could be wrong.
Either way PR approach is to imply it's an ongoing shift (which is what they're trying) vs a shorter term boost.
Truth will be known after few NPDs in 2017.
Sony will be happy to take holidays and the year as that puts them net up again vs XB1 with the gap increased overall again of course and probably figure the holiday win will count enough against MS PR to erode the implication of a switch in leadership
Obliterator
Member
Uh, it just had its best month ever in the US and has been selling great the last several months.
Other than the Scalebound news which indeed sucked, its been a great couple months for Xbox
onemanasylum
Banned
LMAO.
ethomaz
Banned
You mean uncompressed pixels... whatever that means.
Probably talking about the declining of Gears.
LastMinuteHero
Member
A game on an unproven system with a higher than expected pricing and barren of the major third party games(which is the real breadwinner)..if you say so
Also why do people keep wanting to do a comparison between these two games
The Mad Draklor
Member
Something something... open world... something something... bow and arrow.
JaredLetoJoker
Banned
PS4 won the year and the holiday season AGAIN. Case closed. Everything else is just noise/fodder.
Worldwide...
Basically this.
LastMinuteHero
Member
That's weaksauce to me..you could add skyrim or far cry primal into the mix if you're allowing comparison with old games
ethomaz
Banned
It is like people comparing RE7 to Outlast because both are first person lol
spatenfloot
Member
Why are they hiding the important facts from us? We need to know which console sold the most on the 2nd Tuesday during the months of April and August!
LastMinuteHero
Member
That's another dumb comparison
hanspampel
Banned
i know i'm late, but here is Sonys December 2014 NPD press release:
http://venturebeat.com/2015/01/15/sony-ps4-was-the-top-selling-console-of-2014-worldwide/
the Ps4 and XB1 gap in July was a whooping 10k units
so unless you think the overall gap between Ps4 and XB1 for the second half of 2016 is below 10k units, leaving out July would not make a difference
Sad Affleck
Member
Still no PS4 Pro numbers?
You are not going to see those, like ever. They are the same system in the eyes of Sony regarding sales.
Sad Affleck
Member
I don't really buy that. I believe if the Pro had sold really well they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
Why and what excatly? "A PS4 sold better than another PS4"? It's just a PS4. More premium, but still just a PS4. OG PS4 will be the best seller during this gen.
Interfectum
Member
Yet available everywhere else online and in-store. At this point it's either an issue with Amazon, Sony or both but supply isn't limited in the U.S. I can't say much for outside the U.S though
hanspampel
Banned
December
XB1: 1511K
PS4: 1568K
Gap: 57k (4%)
http://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-playstation-neck-and-neck-npd-dec-2016
2016
XB1: ~4725k
PS4: ~5088k
Gap: ~363k (7,5%)
H2CY2016
XB1: ~3618K
PS4: ~3509K
Gap: ~110K (3%)
LTD
XB1: 15.85M
PS4: 17.5M
Gap: 1.65M (10,5%)
XB1: 1511K
PS4: 1568K
Gap: 57k (4%)
http://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-playstation-neck-and-neck-npd-dec-2016
2016
XB1: ~4725k
PS4: ~5088k
Gap: ~363k (7,5%)
H2CY2016
XB1: ~3618K
PS4: ~3509K
Gap: ~110K (3%)
LTD
XB1: 15.85M
PS4: 17.5M
Gap: 1.65M (10,5%)
Not sure if posted already?
http://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-playstation-neck-and-neck-npd-dec-2016
http://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-playstation-neck-and-neck-npd-dec-2016
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Holy shit.
Greenburg must have felt like the dallas cowboy fans watching aaron rodgers at the end of the game.
Wow.
WC is going to be our new source every month now? At least when it's close. Heh.
Okay, now we have something to discuss. Say what you will but those are impressive number for both consoles.
DriftingSpirit
Member
January will be interesting.
Considering the Pro came out not that long ago, that doesn't seem that good of a lead for Sony. In fact it seems kinda bad for the Pro.
GravityInsanity
Member
Wait, did Microsoft just exposed Sony's numbers? LOL
Mister Megative
Banned
PS4 Pro sold roughly 240k in December.
Mister Megative
Banned
Posting those numbers again. Bold.
I personally detest Jez Corden a great deal, so I wouldn't weep to see him get hit with a cease and desist from NPD.
I personally detest Jez Corden a great deal, so I wouldn't weep to see him get hit with a cease and desist from NPD.
hanspampel
Banned
he's not in trouble. he did never sign any NDA with the NPD group, or a company that is a subscriber to the NPD report.
his leaker is the only person, NPD could go against
just like we can share and talk about this numbers without getting into (legal) trouble
most interesting part for me: Ps4 was not really down YoY this December. Ps4 was basically flat. Just down a little below 1%
Mister Megative
Banned
he's not in trouble. he did never sign any NDA with the NPD group, or a company that is a subscriber to the NPD report.
his leaker is the only person, NPD could go against
just like we can share and talk about this numbers without getting into (legal) trouble
Eh, good point.
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