Papacheeks
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So damn hungry right now lol.
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So damn hungry right now lol.
Pathfinder
Member
Monthly numbers. You know what I meant.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Well, what is being argued is whether the decision not to include it "hurt" Sony. Regardless of what the actual numbers are, I don't see how that claim could be supported when Sony just announced over 50M units sold. They are very clearly not hurting from skipping it.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I really want this raclette thing now.
You're right, UHD drive is pretty much a nice extra to have, there's no doubt that it would have made the Pro a more complete product.
But did it make sense to reduce their profit margin or sell the console at a higher price for everyone for something with really low demand (actually close to zero demand outside the US)? Obviously no. Especially when the PS4 has never been about "it only does everything" but about "the best place to play". Focus on PS4 has never been about being a media center.
And Microsoft put a UHD drive in the XB1S simply because they expected Sony to do so with the Pro and didn't want to be left totally uncovered on that front since they didn't have a new product until Scorpio.
Hironically they ended up being the only console with it and obviously they tried to use it as an unexpected selling point but considering that they're selling consoles with a really thin margin if not at a loss with all the deals and free games promotions they're doing, I guess that if they knew that Sony was not bothering with it they wouldn't have bothered as well.
Nightengale
Member
I've never commented on how the lack of FEATURE X hurt anyone in terms of appeal to consumers because fuck do I individually know what were the secret sauces of success.
Before both of them turned out to be complete non-factors, I would had guessed that EA Access and 360 BC would've been killer apps that would've brought sales much closer to parity in regards to monthly sales in US. None of that happened.
It's important to at times recognise that our echo chamber may very well just be that.
Before both of them turned out to be complete non-factors, I would had guessed that EA Access and 360 BC would've been killer apps that would've brought sales much closer to parity in regards to monthly sales in US. None of that happened.
It's important to at times recognise that our echo chamber may very well just be that.
SneakersSO
Member
MS has not been purposefully focusing on making close to release announcements. They've spent years announcing things that are way out.
Biggest new software announcements made at E3 this year by MS:
- State of Decay 2: We have a generic 2017, and judging by how radio silent the game has been, a first half 2017 is completely off the table. We haven't even gotten a gameplay trailer from it.
- Forza Horizon 3: Debatable that this is a 'new' announcement, since its a yearly franchise.
- Dead Rising 4: This one was a legitimately fast turn around, so you absolutely have a point here. Then again, you did put a 1st party qualifier in your initial list, so technically DR4 should be excluded, but i'm keeping it here for now.
MS has not announced new software since E3 2016, and has instead been focusing on games that they announced years ago that have yet to be delivered. However, since E3 2016 was the last software event they have held, here is what did get focused on there that is long in the tooth.
Scalebound: Announced at E3 2014, still to be released.
Recore: Announced at E3 2015, We didn't see any gameplay for a full year, despite the game having a tentative 'Spring 2016' launch title when it was announced with a CGI trailer.
Gears 4: (First shown) at E3 2015 with a gameplay demo. Got a 2nd gameplay demo at E3 2016. Note: Originally announced in Q1 2014, when MS acquired rights to Gears franchise.
Halo Wars 2: Announced at Gamescom 2015, won't be launching until 2017.
Sea of Thieves: Announced at E3 2015, is currently scheduled for 2nd half 2017 release.
Announcing games far out is a practice both parties will make whenever they can. Sony just has more stuff to announce, whether its 1st or 3rd party. I'm not saying Sony doesn't announce stuff too far out - they clearly do. They also willingly give their games extended dev time if necessary.
Edit:
Actually, MS announced a new Gears was in development at Black Tusk back in 2014 when they acquired the rights to Gears from Epic. So i'm taking that 15 month note off Gears 4.
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I don't think BC has ever been a factor in the history of the industry.
Of course it's great to have, but people buy new consoles to play new games. It's not much more than a convenience feature.
SarcasticD
Member
Hell, even looking at some of the reaction videos on Youtube, there are a good handful of people who don't own PS4s and don't play video games but know about Last Of Us.
Nightengale
Member
I said "nowadays" for MS. All their E3 announcement were listed 2017 and the only holdovers from overly early announcements was their 2014 E3 "3 more things"
Some of Sony stuff will surely come next year too but they're far more comfortable announcing 2018 stuff right now compared to NS.
Some of Sony stuff will surely come next year too but they're far more comfortable announcing 2018 stuff right now compared to NS.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Awesome. I went back to pc for a while but it's been all about ps4 for the last year. I've been neglecting battlefield even. Probably should double dip on it on ps4.
Except for Blu-Ray. Oh, and DVD. But those were different times and many (most?) people are fine with streaming. Still, I would love to see the bizzaro GAF where Sony has it and MS doesn't.
Is that raclette?
FinaruDensetsu
Member
Huh? Were you trying to reply to someone else? I was talking about backwards compatibility.
Oh I see you were responding to my statement that people buy consoles to play new games. I'm just saying that as opposed to playing old games. Sure people buy consoles to use as movie watching devices as well.
djplaeskool
Member
TLOU was one of those once in a generation games that just hits. New IP and managed to get the attention from a lot of people. The game is probably over 10 million sold right now.
Like you said. Even people who don't have PS4's or play games know about it.
Your use of "BC" to mean Backwars Compatibility was ambiguous.
We all know on GAF it usually means Ultra Bluray Consumption*.
* The Ultra is silent.
anothertech
Member
Hahaa. Had a bet with my brother. He was certain Xbone had it. Now I'm gonna be like:
All these people in here taking about how exclusives are going to guarantee Sony's dominance going forward seriously need to look at the software sales for this gen. The vast vast majority of the time it is third party SW that is driving HW sales not exclusive SW. And no a single trailer announcing an upcoming exclusive without a release date (TLoU Part II) is not going to drive any meaningful amount of sales this month either. Chances are high that they will indeed end up continuing to sell more going forward but that will not be because of first party or exclusive games. Sorry to be the bearer of the bad news about the reality of SW sales but that's just how the cookie crumbles.
Nope, I was replying to you but I thought you were talking about UHD Blu-Ray. I must have just read that in another comment. FWIW I'd also like to see the bizzaro conversation about BC too.
pixellated_man
Member
Damn. Puts thing in to perspective.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Who are all these people? I haven't seen any one say exclusives will guarantee dominance.
You hush!
FinaruDensetsu
Member
While not exactly the "bizzaro" scenario you are referring to, last gen PS3 started with virtually complete BC with the previous two gens, while the 360 kinda had BC with the OG Xbox.
I think most people back then were saying that while the BC on the original 60gb PS3 was nice, it wasn't really going to sell the console. Eventually the PS3 had no PS2 BC at all and sales didn't suffer at all from it.
I see BC as a feature that is kind of a "goodwill" feature for the dedicated fans of that platform, because the hardcore fans of that console are the ones who are going to be going back to play the old games a full generation after they released. Look at the PS4, everyone complaining about lack of PS1 backwards compatibility are us people who already own the PS4. I doubt you'd ever find any significant number of prospective purchasers complaining about that. If brand new purchasers are buying the console in huge numbers because of BC though, that would indicate a problem with the current console more than anything. I see this as kind of symptomatic of the problem Nintendo is facing right now, that people are more interested in the old nostalgic games and items rather than what they are releasing here in 2016. In other words, when the new stuff you are making isn't really hitting with the fans, they retreat into the past to find the thing they used to find comfort in - kinda like comfort food, but comfort gaming.
I expect better from you, Rex.
anothertech
Member
Nah, no one thinks its cause of the exclusives.
It's cause you can get double the resolution, iq, and performance for the next year on a PS4 for all titles. Even 3rd party, which are the important ones like you say.
You underestimate the "general public"
I meant more the conversations and discussions and yeah, a lot of people propped up the feature and a lot of people down played it. You can figure out which group liked it and which group didn't. As for real world use history did indeed show us that it doesn't stop a console from selling.
Gotta love the description on his newest video.
"It only took the release of a PS4 Slim, PlayStation VR, PS4 Pro and deep, DEEP discounts on everything to squeak out a slim victory over Xbox One in November!"
tareqsalah1
Member
The briliance of psx is it renews the excitement and hype after the hype slows down after e3. Announcing new games, japanese ports, classic remasters before the holidays is smart. People are talking about playstation and almost forgetting xbox until microsoft announces something.
Come January the switch will have another reveal video, the switch will eat into xbox sales not ps4.
Usually people buy a nintendo console and a playstation or a xbox.
Come January the switch will have another reveal video, the switch will eat into xbox sales not ps4.
Usually people buy a nintendo console and a playstation or a xbox.
st1nk nuts
Member
Is this not true though?
chromatic9
Member
Temporary blip while dem UHD Blurays get back in stock.
That's everything but usual
thelastword
Banned
I too think that digital media playback is the future. UHD media is great for quality, but I forsee that the lines of quality will blur there as well, with better codecs, better compression tech and faster internet. Soon, it really would not make much sense to pack all that data on a disc when it could be streamed at near equal quality. I look at what checkerboarding is doing for 4k, it may not be native but it looks pretty close. If better codecs and compression advances, and Netflix decides to improve the bandwidth and quality of their streams even further, I think the extra layer of fidelity people will miss in a UHD disc will be offset by the convenience of digital delivery where quality wise, it's not too far off..
But yes, I see your point on wanting the Disc Drive, but what I've realized is that I've had a bluray drive since the PS3, bought a couple of BD's to test, my fave movies btw, but I've hardly popped in any one of them to watch outside of testing. Most of the movies I watch I do so through DLNA and have no problem with the quality on there. So I still go back to streaming anyway.
Fair enough, I guess we shall see how it pans out. I just find it hard to purchase a console for 300.00 when the other is much more powerful at 100.00 more. To me, if I was cash strapped, I'd just eat ramen for a week or two, but I see the appeal for the slim to hit the mass market and it should pull in some persons who were not in the console buying loop yet. I hope we get a breakdown at least after the holidays....
Didn't know there was more to that story.....hmmmmm....
FinaruDensetsu
Member
I dunno I think it'd be exactly the same. Most people would be saying it's a cool feature to be sure, but not really something that would affect purchase decisions. Some people who have the console complaining and wishing it had it, while people who had the competing console would gloat that they had it.
My copy is on the way. But I have the og PS4, I've read performance isn't the best. ;(
Unknown?
Member
Lol! PSVR isn't even in the equation. I need some of that salt for my pretzels.
Grown men... lol
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Hahaa. Had a bet with my brother. He was certain Xbone had it. Now I'm gonna be like:
No MS had the same gameplan.
Its the same every holiday ,new bundles,discounts and models.We dont know the margin either.
tareqsalah1
Member
I mean its unused to buy all 3, most will buy one but there is a sizable group that buys 2.
Unknown?
Member
Also this is talking about PS4, PSVR doesn't inflate sells of PS4 so it's not even an equation to Sony outselling MS. That'd be like saying surface Pro helped the Xbox outsell Sony.
Nightengale
Member
We don't know unless someone provides the reports.
FinalStageBoss
Banned
extra salty