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NPD Sales Numbers for November 2008
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mr_bishiuk
Banned
acm2000 said:
And in a month were the 360 had another 1.5m seller as well.
360 software sales are simply phenomenal
Wow at the Wii I cant remember what my guess was but I didnt expect 2m. I was thinking 1.3 tops. Wii music? Ughh
PS3 was lackluster. NO big retailers had any awesome deals for black friday. Fucking pitiful. Blu-Ray players are in the 130-300 range now. Sony has a good chance of being fucked this Christmas.
PS3 was lackluster. NO big retailers had any awesome deals for black friday. Fucking pitiful. Blu-Ray players are in the 130-300 range now. Sony has a good chance of being fucked this Christmas.
Byakuya769
Member
I don't know if someone has already done this, but here's a simple load out on the npd numbers for the 360/ps3 this year.
PS3 in black and 360 in green
The 20 GB 360 dropped to $299 in mid-July I believe. The permanent 360 price drops occurred on September 7th (Arcade - $199 Pro - $299 Elite - $399)
Also the current totals by NPD numbers are
360 - 3,295,200 (for 2008)
PS3 - 2,818,800
The fall has been pretty hard on the ps3 after the 360's genius price cut, but I think in all the "lawlz" a lot of you have forgotten the strong year it had in comparison.
Going forward, it's pretty obvious that Sony is going to have to either choose limiting their losses, and trying to retain revenue by having a higher priced console, or they find some way to get their system down to $299 so it can actually compete.
It's likely that a $299 price point for the ps3 would hurt ridiculously, but who knows how software/blu ray sells would move with increased ps3 sales.
Finally, concerning the 360. We all seem to agree that price cuts would likely (and quickly) hurt sony's pocket, but why does everyone seem so confident that MS is not hurting from having to undercut their competition as they have? Is there some evidence that MS has been able to lower the manufacturing cost per system to balance their large price cuts?
PS3 in black and 360 in green
The 20 GB 360 dropped to $299 in mid-July I believe. The permanent 360 price drops occurred on September 7th (Arcade - $199 Pro - $299 Elite - $399)
Also the current totals by NPD numbers are
360 - 3,295,200 (for 2008)
PS3 - 2,818,800
The fall has been pretty hard on the ps3 after the 360's genius price cut, but I think in all the "lawlz" a lot of you have forgotten the strong year it had in comparison.
Going forward, it's pretty obvious that Sony is going to have to either choose limiting their losses, and trying to retain revenue by having a higher priced console, or they find some way to get their system down to $299 so it can actually compete.
It's likely that a $299 price point for the ps3 would hurt ridiculously, but who knows how software/blu ray sells would move with increased ps3 sales.
Finally, concerning the 360. We all seem to agree that price cuts would likely (and quickly) hurt sony's pocket, but why does everyone seem so confident that MS is not hurting from having to undercut their competition as they have? Is there some evidence that MS has been able to lower the manufacturing cost per system to balance their large price cuts?
Byakuya769
Member
Sir Fragula said:
to the tune of $100 though?
Kyo
Member
Stumpokapow said:
What major launches? LBP was the only one and it was hard to tell how well it would do. You can't possibly be talking about Resistance 2 and MotorStorm Pacific Rift - sequels to games that people originally bought mostly just because nothing else was available. People who didn't buy the PS3 for Resistance 1 surely won't buy it just to play Resistance 2 now. That's the kind of stuff that should be built up in addition to the big hitters, not as a substitute for them. So where is GT5? Where is God of War III? Why couldn't they get Killzone 2 out in time for this holiday season? They can't seriously expect their machine to sell well when they still haven't managed to release some of their most eagerly anticipated titles more than two years after the system's launch.
mr_bishiuk
Banned
Byakuya769 said:
The 360 is now 3 years old, the parts were designed even further out, the base model includes no hard drive and a $10 DVD drive. If they are losing money at $199 it wont be much plus unlike Sony they know X% of people with sign up for gold subscription and so on.
If it wasn't for RROD i'm sure the price would have been cut a lot sooner.
Hats off to...
...the Wii, shattering all kinds of sales records. Maybe Wii December=PS3 YTD? Amazing!
...Sony PR. Great job, considering how little there is to work with. I don´t know how anyone could have worded it any better.
...GAF for the usual hilarious thread. But I missed the really batshit insane posters like domokunrox, Hoffman, MikeB and the like.
...the Wii, shattering all kinds of sales records. Maybe Wii December=PS3 YTD? Amazing!
...Sony PR. Great job, considering how little there is to work with. I don´t know how anyone could have worded it any better.
...GAF for the usual hilarious thread. But I missed the really batshit insane posters like domokunrox, Hoffman, MikeB and the like.
Neo C. said:
They could hold the record for Nov+Dec combo though. The possibility of that is pretty high. Although I think Nintendo knows which months of the year absolutely need more hardware.
Last year, they shipped something like 2.5m for Nov/Dec. That would mean 1.75m are left for this December if they don't ship more.
I've been thinking about that too. Seems like a lot of that extra 50% went to costumers in November. How much could be left for december?Neo C. said:
Wasn't domokunrox the one who threw a hissy fit about people predicting ps3 numbers lower than last year's november in the hw prediction thread? :lol I'd like to see his reaction to these numbers.Hammer24 said:
Maybe that would explain this weirdness... Capcom finally getting serious?
(Nah, probably just Prima/EB being twits, but still...)
(Nah, probably just Prima/EB being twits, but still...)
tahrikmili
Member
Anyone have HW sales figures for Nov 07?
tahrikmili
Member
Nocebo said:
Wow, so basically PS3 sold almost half of what the 360 did last year at a similar price point?
Sad and funny at the same time.
Back to the drawing board Sony. The 10 year plan seems to have PHAILed.
cr_blah_blah
Member
Hero said:
You really can't be dense enough to think people criticize Nintendo for their holiday lineup because of its effect on sales. Just in case you are, people criticize because they want something to play on it. Not because Nintendo isn't going to sell out without them. I don't think it's too ridiculous to want games you're interested in, regardless of whether the company will do fine with or without them. So yes, they only have Animal Crossing and Wii Music as their holiday lineup and it sucks. Good for them that they can do so great without more games, but how does that change wanting more core games?
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
tahrikmili said:
While this definitely has to be disturbing for Sony, there's no reason to say that "the 10 year plan seems to have PHAILed." If they really are aiming at a 10 year cycle for the PS3 as a priority, then of course they can suffer through the first half of that and hope to make up for it during the second half.
On another note, I can't believe that, excluding DS, the Wii sold more than every other console COMBINED this month. That is unbelievable.
Maxwell House
Member
A console with only marginal sales and marketshare like the PS3 has no chance of having a 10 year lifespan. That is just Sony PR-speak..pie in the sky wishful thinking.Metaphoreus said:
Mantorok said:
And think that some Nintendo "fanatics" like me bought several GCs (I have 5) and no Wii (yet) ;-)
The Wii sales are really impressive, but these numbers also put into perspective to what extent the Gamecube was a massive commercial failure for a company like Nintendo (thoguh they still managed to make money!)
Thunder Monkey
Banned
No the funniest part is they're doing better without anything amazing out that's new. It's still running off of launch hype. :lolcr_blah_blah said:
I'm not entirely sure what Nintendo did this generation (I have a few ideas) but this is madness!
Oh, I also just bought Assassin's Creed. I really like this game. The mechanics are sound, but the missions do get repetitive. It's more then I was expecting though.
acm2000 said:
Why? Actually compared to COD4 360 did 150k less and PS3 150k more.
http://www.thesimexchange.com/blogpost.php?post_id=455
lawblob said:
Its hard to predict. If you would divert your resources to Wii production - where would you aim it at? A party game? A sports game? What is a sure fire thing on the Wii? That might be hard to judge.
On the other hand, if you are a PC developer, just do a push-the-button-port to the 360. The userbase eats it up anyways. And don´t bother porting to the PS3 if you don´t have a big marteking push behind it. It might not be worth the investment.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
I checked a few months ago and they had about 20 titles in 18 months or something. If anybody is a Nintendo 'fanboy', then they aren't hurting for content. Yes, they probably aren't buying 3 games a month but you can't be a Nintendo 'Fanboy' and not have seen that coming. It's been 3 generations of Nintendo output. Nintendo can't do more. If you want more games, you have to depend on handhelds and other systems.Coolio McAwesome said:
Even w/o the hardcore games, you still have a lot of content. And many people are raving about the A level, B level and C level games. And I would argue that just because MS can get a million people to buy their game of the month, it doesn't improve the quality of their selection. That's always a funny slant to these number wrenching. The unspoken thought that 1.5 million people can buy Gears 2 or COD and they are good to great (playing COD, I can say it's suprisingly mediocre) but the throngs of people enjoying Wii are just picking up casual trash. COD is casual trash. Fun but nowhere near great. Can we seriously pick up a stick against Wii and not pick up a stick against COD? It's passable but not a great game. Is it just the casual hardcore demographic?
Hammer24 said:
Yeah, and obviously the 360 and PS3 still have high enough user bases themselves to support tons of unique development, but it just seems like we might be getting to the tipping point with the Wii where there are so many consoles out there that you have a higher chance of breaking even with Wii development than you would with 360/PS3 development. You can develop games for probably half the cost, and only need to attract a much smaller % of install base.
The investment risk of Wii development is (I would imagine) very low; and in these economic times, devs and publishers will become extremely risk-averse.
lawblob said:
Western publishers won't really do this and western developers really hate the thing, so you're not gonna see them doing this. They don't really need to. It'd be smart from a business perspective, but the developers have to have some sort of drive to come up with good ideas for the thing.
Japan on the other hand, is already switching over. Sega's the biggest third-party supporter (I think part of this has to do with their success with the Gamecube last gen), followed by Square-Enix and Capcom. Namco's starting to give the system more attention too. They seem to not care so much about the power of the machine. Guess it makes sense with the DS leading the way over there.
lawblob said:
keep the 360 support going strong and divert most of the ps3 teams to wii.
question to ponder:
if the ps3 was sonys first console and they never had that massive ps2 fanbase to ride on and there was no blueray in the system do you think it would have sold?
imo i dont really think the market can handle or wants 3 systems.
Which reminds me. Does anyone have a clear picture of how western developers are supporting the NDS with software? Are there any that land in the top 10 for instance?lawblob said:
:lol if there were ever a time to shatter ps2's record it is now. I doubt Wii will come close to 2 million in the years following.Neo C. said:
lawblob said:
What you describe is shovelware production. Of course, the market leader always gets them, just due to the immense userbase.
But when we´re talking about high budget production, its still a bit early. The userbase on the Wii is very diverse, not as coherent as on PS360. Don´t forget, DQX is still a couple of years off, not too many cmpanies will risk a flop. Yet.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
lawblob said:
As has been stated, though, Wii games don't require as massive an investment in personnel bandwith. And with 360 software sales still barnshattering, there's clearly a market for HD game experiences. The one thing that could solidify quickly is a continuing lack of primary support and focus for and on the PS3. When the gap barely changes over the course of an entire year for massive game like CoD, especially when the whole year you've had people touting PS3's "victories" over 360 until a month or two ago, I don't think you'll see stuff like Fallout 3 only having, basically, the full game experience open to 360 and PC users going away any time soon. (Referring here to the Level Cap increase, only available through exclusive DLC, which will have a tremendous impact on the actual retail game itself for players.)
This, I think, is the core problem Sony faces. When you're dealing with a console at twice the price, you have twice the draw to gamers across the board. You need to have better experiences, you need to be the "go to" console for HD gaming, and right now it's just hard to prove that.
And lets say Sony does turn that around eventually, just numbers-wise we're looking at potentially the 360 opening up a 1.4 million unit gain in just two months. The userbase disparity combined with MS' seemingly limitless reservoir of cash to dole out for exclusive stuff is a tough mountain to climb in the best of times. Add to that the current economic climate and Sony seemingly has a tremendously uphill battle.