-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
NPD Sales Numbers for November 2008
- Thread starter EviLore
- Start date
I thought the 360 numbers would be higher; the Arcades especially really seemed to be flying off the shelves (I got one). There were deals everywhere on and around Black Friday. Perhaps there were some shortages, as I saw a lot of empty shelves where Arcades had been.
It will be interesting to see what the sales level off at next year. At this point, MS has pretty much made all of their big moves, haven't they? Halo, GTA, GOW2, etc. have all been released, and they have gotten the console to mass market price at $199.
Other than a continually increasing catalog, what can they do in 2009 to boost sales and perhaps get more of the expanded audience in their pocket?
On the other hand, it's nothing short of incredible that Nintendo has been able to garner these kind of continued sales without any price drops, bundles, or additional colors. They really have their entire playbook open to them.
It will be interesting to see what the sales level off at next year. At this point, MS has pretty much made all of their big moves, haven't they? Halo, GTA, GOW2, etc. have all been released, and they have gotten the console to mass market price at $199.
Other than a continually increasing catalog, what can they do in 2009 to boost sales and perhaps get more of the expanded audience in their pocket?
On the other hand, it's nothing short of incredible that Nintendo has been able to garner these kind of continued sales without any price drops, bundles, or additional colors. They really have their entire playbook open to them.
Warm Machine
Member
snatches said:
1.5 million copies of Gears 2 and 1 million copies of Fable 2 in the last 2 months says no. Let alone Fallout 3, COD WaW, etc. There is a proven market for these games and flushing such an extremely profitable segment away makes no sense. MS is able to exploit this and will likely continue to do so in the future as Nintendo has next to no interest in exploiting it themselves.
Nintendo is trapped in perception and that perception is only getting worse now that they are after the more casual market. It is only solidifying the division between the perceived markets that the 360 and the Wii cater to.
Opus Angelorum
Member
CNN said:
Damn, that is harsh.
Warm Machine
Member
TTP said:
The sales numbers do back his point up though.
Warm Machine said:
Not really. He's is talking quality there, not sales. Those two things don't necessarily go hand in hand. He later states "mediocre game library", which is 100% bullshit.
Saying PS3 doesn't have "any must-have titles exclusive to the console" is a lie.
Opus Angelorum
Member
TTP said:
Agreed, there are many faults with the PS3 but a mediocre game library it does not have.
flintstryker
Banned
maybe he doesn't share your opinion of what is a must have title.TTP said:
KernelPanic
Member
TTP said:
Wow what's with mainstream media trolling the PS3 ? Getting the numbers wrong is one thing ...
EDIT: the article is actually from www.alleyinsider.com
The author also has this gem up as well:
Not Just The PS3: Sony's PSP Sales Stink Too (SNE)
There's alot of great exclusives on the PS3. It's quite on par with the 360 seriously.
The real problem is the price and now the reputation they got because of the price and the first year where there was hardly more than 5 great games.
The game stigma will follow the PS3, true or not, until the day the userbase gets big enough (aka more people realising there ARE great games). Until then, it's gonna be like the PSP, "a console with no games".
The real problem is the price and now the reputation they got because of the price and the first year where there was hardly more than 5 great games.
The game stigma will follow the PS3, true or not, until the day the userbase gets big enough (aka more people realising there ARE great games). Until then, it's gonna be like the PSP, "a console with no games".
Blast Processing
Member
Dirtbag said:
That article is fucking horribly written. It reads like a forum post, for fuck's sake.
One of the biggest problems Sony has right now is that PS3 is simply redundant next to 360. Blu-ray hasn't caught fire yet and the hardware's other value-added features (which I really like) don't seem to matter. The game library hasn't differentiated itself and PlayStation has lost exclusivity to several big-name games.
Meanwhile, the 360 is delivering HD games like a motherhumper, with a robust online community component and at a significantly lower price. The Wii is creating its own massive market.
There's simply little room left for PS3.
Meanwhile, the 360 is delivering HD games like a motherhumper, with a robust online community component and at a significantly lower price. The Wii is creating its own massive market.
There's simply little room left for PS3.
mr_bishiuk
Banned
flintstryker said:
yer if you aren't an MGS fan (an acquired taste) or not interested a platform level designer (I like the idea but know i'd give up after 2 hours, clearly a niche title), then why would you buy a PS3 over a 360 for games?
Last year 360 owners had Mass Effect and this year there is Fable 2, where are there no games of that ilk on Ps3?
And you can add to that a mainstream perception that the superior version of Madden is on 360 (last years 60fps vs 30fps), the exclusive GTA dlc (and heavy 360 branded advertising), and Halo... and you've just secured the American audience. Once the ball gets rolling, it just gets bigger and faster. The first 2 years of a console are so important.mr_bishiuk said:
Timed exclusives in the early console adoption days really helped MS as well, and lead to a feeling of more exclusive games for the 360 and created a 'me to' message from Sony when they'd finally land them 6+ months later.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Fady K said:
Either you're not aware of the software and the question is dumb because you have two hands, two eyes, and access to google... Actually, LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU
Or you are aware of the software and any response you get will be greeted with "lol dat gaem sux not worth shit i sold mah wii's dust bunnys to da dust factory and bought a house in da cayman's!!!! nublets!", in which case why did you ask?
For what it's worth, I've played maybe 100 games or so this year, and of those exactly 6 deserve 2 million sales in my most humble opinion--World of Goo, Fallout 3, Professor Layton, Final Fantasy IVr, Roogoo, and Ticket to Ride. Not a single one of those will achieve 2 million sales in the US. Fallout is the only one that has a chance at a million on a single-SKU basis
But I don't sit around saying "holy fuck why is everyone buying MGS4 oh my god the sky is falling why did Army of Two sell copies i can't believe people bought Guitar Hero World Tour who on earth is watching Four Christmases at the cinema how can kids like Twilight who on earth thought up the Honda Element why did my next door neighbour vote for the green party how does the guy next to me not notice that he didn't shave this morning!!!!!", because it's pretty easy to understand people's motivations if you don't start from the assumption that you have perfect taste and everyone else must be clinically deranged.
Is the author fucking blind? You can see and hear clear differences between SD and HD on any set bigger than 30". Even more so if you're sitting close like on a computer monitor, wow.
That's not really gaming related. That little tidbit he pulled out from the deep nether regions. The other ones are common business sense.
That's not really gaming related. That little tidbit he pulled out from the deep nether regions. The other ones are common business sense.
Eteric Rice
Member
The biggest difference between HD and SD games for me has always been the jaggies.
If they make a Wii that has AA that gets rid of that shit, I'll buy it instantly.
Other than that I've never really cared.
If they make a Wii that has AA that gets rid of that shit, I'll buy it instantly.
Other than that I've never really cared.
Aaron Strife
Banned
no you just have to be stupidY2Kev said:
cartoon_soldier
Member
Dirtbag said:
Its Sony's own fault, they were arrogant (People will work 2 jobs to buy it, we can sell 5 million units without a game for it, etc, etc). Sony expected their PS2 exclusives to flow through to the PS3 and the only one that did was MGS. While Sony was busy talking about people wanting PS3 soo badly (remember their E3 video where they had bunch of people talking about how much they love/want the PS3?), MS went ahead, cemented their 3rd party relationships and got a lot of exclusive PS family titles (and titles that were literally associated with the PS brand) to also launch on the 360.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
lowlylowlycook
Member
Opus Angelorum said:
Compared to the PS2?
Byakuya769
Member
YYZ said:
seems like a lot of people are blind though, had one friend call me to see if he had his settings wrong cause "I just dont' see much of a difference from dvd".
Warm Machine
Member
TTP said:
I'm not going to talk quality as it obviously exists. The market doesn't agree that the library is strong enough to warrent a system purchase or consider the games must have in comparison to the two other machines available. Its one of those sucky situations where everyone who owns a game machine knows that X title should be getting better sales and pushing hardware but doesn't.
Kolgar said:
Nintendo was extremely smart in creating a new market. They knew there wasn't room for three in a horse power race, and we're seeing now that there isn't even room for two.
Gamecube 2 would have been a bigger failure than the first.
Instead PS3 gets to bring up the rear.
CreatureX3
Member
Nah, Wii Play is a multiplayer game, so they all play together at the same time. Which is just one of the many reasons why the Wii is so successful!Linkified said:
lowlylowlycook
Member
Warm Machine said:
The PS3 is still selling for more than the PS1 or PS2 launch price. At that price "hardware mover" is a stunningly high bar.
Saint10118
Member
When is your article hitting?jvm said:Any numbers besides Fable 2? (I might have one.
PSGames said:
While I think its an overstatement... I don't think its out of line to say that the differences between the jump to dvd and the jump to blu-ray are leagues apart.
And to most consumers, that kind of quality leap is expected when they are asked to buy a new player and pay for a more expensive disk. I think its a value problem more then anything with bluray... the feeling that DVD is good enough for the price.
And you can just look at the wii and it's runaway success to gauge mainstream priorities over HD
shpankey said:
You're right, only because there is SUCH a sharp disparity. I mean, look at the Wii vs the 360 though. It doesn't matter that the 360 is cheaper, people want a Wii. If the PS3 was the same price as the 360 (which cannot happen, at least for a LONG time if ever) the market would be vastly different, because then it wouldn't factor in as a positive or negative and they could discuss features and software as moving hardware.
Scottlarock
Banned
dyls said:
by 24k?
Surprised at the lack of other data, and general lack of analysis of given data.
What does that mean? Does that mean the rest of the industry experienced a loss YoY? Can we look at NPD 11/2007 to find out the scale of that loss?
Also, do we know the Black Friday week's sales numbers, and can we use that to estimate the weekly sales for the rest of November?
Sorry if I sound lazy, but I'm probably spoiled by all the good work that salesagers have done in the past.
Nintendo said:
What does that mean? Does that mean the rest of the industry experienced a loss YoY? Can we look at NPD 11/2007 to find out the scale of that loss?
Also, do we know the Black Friday week's sales numbers, and can we use that to estimate the weekly sales for the rest of November?
Sorry if I sound lazy, but I'm probably spoiled by all the good work that salesagers have done in the past.
Gaborn said:
This is explainable here though. The Wii is there since a certain time and got a certain reputation. Same for 360.
It's impossible for a 360 to sell like a Wii right now, right after it dropped in price precisely because of their respective reputation.
Counting out the reputation though, The Wii wouldn't be ahead this much if other consoles would have launch head to head with the same price. The scenery around here would be completely different.