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[lowlylowlycook]

by 24k?

Someday trolls will lean to leave off the predictions thread.

May that day be long in coming.
:lol

 

[liuelson]

System: Average weeks ownership (Average purchase date)

Wii: 44.3 (January 25, 2008)
PS3: 50.2 (December 14, 2007)
X360: 74.1 (June 30, 2007)

JJS - can you give us a sense of how the Avg wks ownership for the 3 consoles has changed over time? Or does asking that not really make sense since it's already a timescale metric?

 

[Warm Machine]

The PS3 is still selling for more than the PS1 or PS2 launch price. At that price "hardware mover" is a stunningly high bar.

That is Sony's problem though and they pay for it every month.

 

[Gaborn]

This is explainable here though. The Wii is there since a certain time and got a certain reputation. Same for 360.
It's impossible for a 360 to sell like a Wii right now, right after it dropped in price precisely because of their respective reputation.

Counting out the reputation though, The Wii wouldn't be ahead this much if other consoles would have launch head to head with the same price. The scenery around here would be completely different.

I agree with you for the most part, my point, particularly about the Wii vs. 360 is that in that case since price isn't a major factor it is other factors (brand appeal, appealing to a larger and different audience, specific games many people find more appealing). I presume if the PS3 was a comparable price with the 360 and the Wii it would be doing tremendously better because it DOES have a lot of value in it... just not at the price they're asking considering market conditions.

 

[Chrange]

by 24k?

He may have thought that estimate was low though

 

[donny2112]

Fine, let's do a NPD where we just list the #s starting from 11.

I'm all for that. I'd rather have 11-4000 than 1-10. :lol

 

[poppabk]

What possible advantage does having a PC have in the living room for media capabuilities than a 360 paired with a Vista Media center PC?
I already have a PS3 which is far far superior than any PC for playing Blu_ray movies.

Your PC is powerful enough to display 3+ 1080p shows at the same time, all while recording 2+ HD programs and decoding\re-encoding multiple HD TV programs at the same time?

So am I supposed to have a full blown media center PC in my bed room and my workshop and bar\game room too?

The only person that could possibly believe this is someone who hasn't actually used the 360 as a High def media cetner extender, it works flawlessly and it has a handy family friendly remote control that automaticaly brings them directly to the medai cetner interface without needing to know anything aboutt eh server or computers at all for that matter.

The 360 is?
The advantage is that you have complete freedom over control of your hardware and software.
I'm not saying that the 360 is a bad media extender, but you could build a 1080p capable PC for a similar price ($200-$300 maybe) and use that as your extender. You have the advantage of complete control over codecs, expandability (blu-ray), DRM etc, but you lose a little bit on ease of use and reliability.

 

[KR3W]

Fuck that CNN motherfucker, he doesn't know SHIT.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go play Motorstorm PR, and then furiously masturbate to LOST Season 4 and Dark Knight on Blu Ray.

 

[Kolgar]

Price is king. That's all there really is to it. If PS3's sold at $199 I personally think they'd sell just as many of those as the 360, if not more.

I dunno. PS3 is already perceived as a loser, and once that happens, I think that does it.

I seem to remember back in '94, Sony's Steve Race telling Next Generation magazine something like this when asked about the chances for Trip Hawkins' 3DO: "When you start to smell like a three-day-old fish, you're probably a three-day-old fish!"

Price is one thing. Mindshare is another. The PlayStation brand has lost a lot of relevance in people's minds.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Fuck that CNN motherfucker, he doesn't know SHIT.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go play Motorstorm PR, and then furiously masturbate to LOST Season 4 and Dark Knight on Blu Ray.

Please never say that again. Ever.

 

[Ranger X]

I dunno. PS3 is already perceived as a loser, and once that happens, I think that does it.
I seem to remember back in '94, Sony's Steve Race telling Next Generation magazine something like this when asked about the chances for Trip Hawkins' 3DO: "When you start to smell like a three-day-old fish, you're probably a three-day-old fish!"

Price is one thing. Mindshare is another. The PlayStation brand has lost a lot of relevance in people's minds.

The cause of this? 599$
Before that announcement everybody were on the edge of their PS2 praising the holy grail that would have been the PS3 according to them.

 

[swerve]

Counting out the reputation though, The Wii wouldn't be ahead this much if other consoles would have launch head to head with the same price. The scenery around here would be completely different.

Like if MS never had Halo or Nintendo never found those pesky PokeMon to save their N64 era business, right?

Like how the PSP would have trounced the DS were it not for the huge, budget-breaking price difference?

Because people don't buy what they want, and success is never to do with a good product. People just buy what's the best value in terms of processors. Is that it?

Value, is not simply 'actual cost of components' versus 'retail price'.

 

[Meier]

Wow what's with mainstream media trolling the PS3 ? Getting the numbers wrong is one thing ...

EDIT: the article is actually from www.alleyinsider.com

The author also has this gem up as well:

Not Just The PS3: Sony's PSP Sales Stink Too (SNE)

From that link...

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32669/Sony-rules-out-PSP-2

Interesting.

 

[Salmonax]

Fuck that CNN motherfucker, he doesn't know SHIT.

It's hard to argue with the fact that PS3 sales are way down year-over-year. And for that to be happening with what was the strongest brand in video games, Sony must have made some huge mistakes along the way.

I've got a PS3 and I've enjoyed it a lot. But it doesn't take an analyst to see that Sony has blown this generation to an extent nobody could have imagined possible.

 

[jvm]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

 

[sixteen-bit]

The cause of this? 599$
Before that announcement everybody were on the edge of their PS2 praising the holy grail that would have been the PS3 according to them.

PS3 is perceived as a loser when it is no longer perceived as a winner?
Are you trying to disprove anything he's saying?

 

[Grecco]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

Not good at all.

 

[BakedPigeon]

Jesus fucking christ nintendo, thats is just ridiculous.

 

[Opiate]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

Thanks jvm. So LBP was not in the top 20. I'll be interested to see how it does in December and January.

 

[KR3W]

It's hard to argue with the fact that PS3 sales are way down year-over-year. And for that to be happening with what was the strongest brand in video games, Sony must have made some huge mistakes along the way.

I've got a PS3 and I've enjoyed it a lot. But it doesn't take an analyst to see that Sony has blown this generation to an extent nobody could have imagined possible.

Yep, the sales are low, but he's talking trash about the game and Blu Ray. He's obviously a troll on some forum---maybe he posts here?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

Jesus, Banjo must have done like 40k.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

Tons of DS games never make it to the Top Ten, but do well enough. It should be between positions eleven and thirty, so don't fret too much.

This is very true. Drawn to Life, Naruto, and Spectrobes never charted top 10 yet made the top 40 selling games of last year.

Problem is that they all start looking like shit on LCDTVs And yes, I'd say there are. I mean, cel-shading was doable on the PS2 and GCN, but nothing to the extent we see in Eternal Sonata or Tales of Vesperia.

Well they look like shit due to them not being upscaled. But yeah I don't mean technically impressive but artistically. Basically to a point where "good enough" really is "good enough".

Actually, I shouldn't have mentioned AI. The guy is talking about graphics. It doesn't matter whether you think they matter or not. It's a response to his post.

I can see what you mean by the improve textures on some games and AA however I think these games are to the point where these improvements would be minuscule (Mario Galaxy didn't really have that impressive textures *enter first person view* and Platinum Games stated they didn't even come close to pushing the Wii to the max for Madworld's visuals they just stopped because not much more could be done).

Conker ran at half the framerate, wasn't in widescreen, had load times while SFA had none, and came out 3 years after SFA. Who knows what Rare could have done with 3 more years with the GC or Wii.

Well SFA didn't have 1080i support did it?

I never argued that Rare couldn't pull out similar graphics on the GC though. But again Conker got those graphics due to it being a N64 game with extremely small maps. Some of the Mario 64 levels were bigger then most maps in that game.

 

[Jammy]

So PS3's fourth-best selling game of the month was LittleBigPlanet and it wasn't even in the top 20.

I wonder what 11-20 were.

 

[Joe Molotov]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

November's weaker showing dropped the title out of the top 20 across all consoles. Across all PlayStation 3 software in November, though, LittleBigPlanet was ranked fourth behind Activision's Call of Duty: World at War, Sony's own Resistance 2, and Midway's brawler, Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe.

Less than MK vs. DC.

 

[schuelma]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

Thanks


Not horrible, but not mindblowing either.

Tales of Symphonia numbers?

 

[snatches]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

 

[Stoney Mason]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

I have nothing against LBP but some people on this board were so insane about how this game was going to change everything that seeing the harsh truth is a little nice.

 

[snatches]

Less than MK vs. DC.

The mainstream knows what its getting with MK vs. DC

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Also, do we know the Black Friday week's sales numbers, and can we use that to estimate the weekly sales for the rest of November?

Wii and DS were both said to be about 800K for that week. Since November has 4 weeks, we can subtract 800K from their totals and divide by 3 to get something close.

Wii: 413K/week
DS: 257K/week

JJS - can you give us a sense of how the Avg wks ownership for the 3 consoles has changed over time? Or does asking that not really make sense since it's already a timescale metric?

I think it makes sense. You can see some interesting shifts over time. PS3 and Wii I think are especially interesting, since they launched at the same time and have had some back and forth. Wii was getting to have the younger userbase of the two, but with the massive relative bump in PS3 hardware sales last November/December, it became the one with the younger userbase for a few months. Now that Wii is exploding while PS3 isn't, the gap is opening the other way again.

As a more general thing to notice, the average ownership time dips when the userbase increases by a large percentage in a short time. So for X360 you can see a pretty noticeable dip in late 2006, late 2007, and the beginnings of one now.

Or here's the same data launch-aligned. You can see that X360 and Wii were pretty similar for about the first year and a half, but X360 hit a lull that Wii didn't (the months before its first price cut), and thus ended up with higher average ownership.

 

[Ranger X]

Like if MS never had Halo or Nintendo never found those pesky PokeMon to save their N64 era business, right?

Like how the PSP would have trounced the DS were it not for the huge, budget-breaking price difference?

Because people don't buy what they want, and success is never to do with a good product. People just buy what's the best value in terms of processors. Is that it?

Value, is not simply 'actual cost of components' versus 'retail price'.

I think the price is the major deciding factor that's all. Feel free to disagree.
Of course it's not the price alone, just saying that the price will kill you before anything else. The PSP would have been healthier at a lower price. Just look at how it sells right now. It's a given really. I doubt it would trounce the DS but it would be more tight. Just like a non-breaking 200$ 360 would have been alot more closer to Nintendo than now.

 

[BishopLamont]

Who is the dude I had a bet against where if the Wii sold less than 2.5 million in December, he would have to make out with a dog? Damn it, I don't want to research it.

Search > npd october 2008 (hey I'm not gonna do the work for you :lol).

Someday trolls will lean to leave off the predictions thread.

May that day be long in coming.
:lol

How else will we serve instant crow then?

A bit disappointed here too. I'm always more interested in software numbers.

I want your avatar.

 

[LCfiner]

didn't see this posted.

Valkyria Chronicles numbers


33K

Sega's Valkyria Chronicles was never expected to be a huge hit in the U.S.--Japanese tactical RPGs aren't exactly lighting up the charts these days.

Nevertheless, pockets of gamers admired the stylish PS3 exclusive for its unique look and interesting mix of real-time and turn-based tactics. Those fans might like to know that the game sold just 33K units in the U.S. during November, according to NPD Group.

NPD's David Riley told Edge the game didn't manage to crack the top 100 game SKUs for November, whose software sales roster was ruled by titles including World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King, Gears of War 2, Wii Fit and Call of Duty: World at War.

Valkyria Chronicles released on November 4 in the U.S. The title first shipped in Japan in late April, where it performed much better, shifting 77K units in its first week. It debuted at number three behind blockbusters Mario Kart Wii and Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G, according to Media Create.

But in a U.S. shopping season that included such commercial heavy-hitters, it's no surprise that this uncommon title was lost in the shuffle.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/valkyria-largely-ignored-us-gamers

 

[Jokeropia]

The majority isn't always right.

Opinions aren't right or wrong.

Speevy is right. The Wii stuff is either garbage or safe rehashes.

Inane statement. Mario Galaxy, Wii Sports, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3…

Well,

Ergo, Wii Play is better than Super Mario Galaxy.

But really, the comedy is seeing Nintendo fans, still hurting... down there... from last-gen, getting to use the same terrible arguments that Sony fans used against Nintendo fans.

Or at least it would be funny if they weren't being totally serious.

You're either really stupid or ludicrously bitter. If it's the former, let me know so I can explain why, otherwise the most proper response is :lol

The videogame industry is finally mainstream and now we're now all elitists.

Welcome to 14 years ago. (Or if you're referring to the US, 23 years ago.)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=__dqYCdDuK4

ORLY

YES.

Christmas presents and Wii Sports. It sold more than 2X the xbox 360 yet the top 2 games are xbox 360 games. The top selling Wii 'game' was an extra controller with a $10 tech demo included.

Wii is selling software at a much faster rate than 360, so trying to make such statements based on the monthly top 10 (or top 2!) is incredibly stupid. Furthermore, the fact that Microsoft only mentioned beating PS3 software in their PR strongly suggests Wii was ahead this month as well.

nor has any 'M' rated game with the exception of the discounted Resident Evil 4. So don't expect much new IP.

Umbrella Chronicles, No More Heroes. It's also amusing how you feel the need to discredit RE4 by calling it discounted, completely failing to mention that it's the third port of a game that could already be played on the Wii.

have all 3 consoles, I'm just looking at things and trying to figure things out . . . it is really annoying to have every comment attacked by a fanboy defense force.

Judging by your posts, you're either 1) not trying very hard 2) not very smart or 3) spinning/trolling. If you insist that it's not 3), what is it?

Anecdotally, the evidence to me has been that the Wii is stealing the casual PS2 audience that Microsoft wanted to snag.

This was also confirmed by NPD. (71% of Wii owners are also PS2 owners.)

Incidentally, what were the GC's November 2003 sales?

754k.

"With $298 million in third-party game sales in November, the Xbox 360 has generated more revenue at retail for third-party publishers than the PS3 and Wii combined this generation. (November NPD data)"

This is why the Wii and 360 can coexist.

The 360 installed base (in the US) has for most of this generation been larger than Wiis and PS3s combined.

People picking up a game = people loving it? Take a look at GAF's general feelings on GTAIV in any GOTY thread.

Wii Play and Wii Fit succeed because they're games that people love the idea of. "I'm going to buy an extra remote anyway and there's one that comes with a game for only $10 more?" "I want to be healthier and this game will help me?" I'd bet they have a pretty large dropoff rate after the first couple of plays, though. Much higher than the other games in the top 10.

Long legs suggest good word of mouth, and no games have longer legs than Nintendo games.

 

[TheKurgan]

You asked: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509

LBP = 141K

Brutal - LBP definitely deserves to sell more.

 

[Dunlop]

I've got a PS3 and I've enjoyed it a lot. But it doesn't take an analyst to see that Sony has blown this generation to an extent nobody could have imagined possible.

Exactly.

I could of worn the other day when I booted my PS3 the otherday a Dreamcast image appeared with the caption, "Karma is a bitch eh?"

Hopefully Dark Knight lights a fire under BD's ass and a lot of players are sold

 

[Jammy]

I don't think PSP would be anywhere if it were $100 even now. The price wasn't the problem with the handheld - it just had no identity. Was it a multi-media player? Was it a portable PS2? Or was it its own system? The games on the thing just don't sell at all. It's just disgusting looking in the PSP aisle and comparing it to the DS one. One is overflowing with games, crap or not, still getting like 10-15 new releases a week, and PSP games are shoved in this small section combined with UMD movies and old PS2 games, lucky to get one new game a week released.

 

[schuelma]

didn't see this posted.

Valkyria Chronicles numbers


33K

Wow

 

[Wii Will Rock U]

That really hurts to see Valkyria and LBP doing so poorly.

 

[swerve]

I think the price is the major deciding factor that's all. Feel free to disagree.

Well, yeah, I think I do because when the price is set by the market for these products, these products value goes up, not down. If people want them enough to play $400 or more on Amazon when they are sold out, then there's not so much an issue with price.

Ever since I re-sold a DS in Japan for more than I bought it for - to a game store - I have come to think that the software that people want these things for is worth more to many (but not all, of course) than the SRP.

People pay the cost of the DS hardware to get Brain Training. Sure, it means that PS3 would need to have *more* valuable software to warrant its, cost, but if people wanted it, cost wouldn't be a problem.

 

[slaughterking]

didn't see this posted.

Valkyria Chronicles numbers


33K






http://www.edge-online.com/news/valkyria-largely-ignored-us-gamers

Gamers suck. D:<

 

[Grecco]

Did anyone expect VC to sell better than that?

 

[Karma]

Exactly.

I could of worn the other day when I booted my PS3 the otherday a Dreamcast image appeared with the caption, "Karma is a bitch eh?"

Hopefully Dark Knight lights a fire under BD's ass and a lot of players are sold

I am not.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Look on the bright side,

Valkyria Chronicles is the second-best selling HD console cel shaded RPG of the back half of 2008 in its first month!

... err, actually, did we get Eternal Sonata PS3 numbers? Maybe VC is the third best

 

[frankthurk]

didn't see this posted.

Valkyria Chronicles numbers


33K






http://www.edge-online.com/news/valkyria-largely-ignored-us-gamers

That's no good. Go and buy this game people.

 

[FrankT]

Eh, some harsh numbers there. Did we ever get Fallout 3 numbers? That would be great.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Did anyone expect VC to sell better than that?

After all those NPD threads I'm constantly surprised that GAF expects fringe titles to sell blockbuster. Not a quality argument at all. Some of my favorite games this year tanked but generally speaking its not overly hard to figure out which things have mainstream appeal and which don't.

 

[liuelson]

As a more general thing to notice, the average ownership time dips when the userbase increases by a large percentage in a short time...

...Or here's the same data launch-aligned. You can see that X360 and Wii were pretty similar for about the first year and a half, but X360 hit a lull that Wii didn't...

Thank you!

 

[BishopLamont]

Look on the bright side,

Valkyria Chronicles is the second-best selling HD console cel shaded RPG of the back half of 2008 in its first month!

... err, actually, did we get Eternal Sonata PS3 numbers? Maybe VC is the third best

It's the best selling game called Valkyria Chronicles! Yippee!

 

[Stumpokapow]

It's the best selling game called Valkyria Chronicles! Yippee!

You can't do better than best!

 

[Dascu]

Fucking hell @ Valkyria Chronicles

This and Tatsunoko vs Capcom did not deserve to bomb like that. Horrible.