The fact that no one wanted BK:N&B is obvious as well, I love the game, it's easily in my top 10 list for this year. But I understand that most Banjo fans don't like the route they took. Mumbo already predicted this in the game: "Boat needs floaters otherwise sink, like this game at retail".knitoe said:
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NPD Sales Numbers for November 2008
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Stumpokapow said:
I already answered why i asked that in my previous post, and ill post it again for you: Maybe, I dont know, he has a recommendation about a game I might not have thought about since he seemed to think differently than Bruce LeeRoy in the sense that the Wii didnt have worthy games as of late to have it sell an astonishing 2 million units.
Stumpokapow said:
Again, you must have not read my post well. I stated to you already that i was referring to recent titles. Yes, suuuure, software sells anyway. Software that I already bought, and old stuff nevertheless - like Wii Play, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart - all of which released before June - and I already made it clear in my previous response to you that I was talking about AFTER June as it was the last time I bought a Wii game since Warioland Shake It in September.
Stumpokapow said:
Yes, he gave, in my opinion, an excellent response to the shallow thought of how the Wii sells this well. But thats where the problem lies - I didnt, nor did Bruce LeeRoy state that we cant believe it sells this well and dont understand why - we clearly said we cant see what software would have it earn this kind of sales.
Im not, and was never, bitching about the crazy Wii sales Nintendo is having. Why would I? It makes absolutely perfect sense to me. The console came out cheaper than the competition when it did, was marketed EXTREMELY well until this day and on, and its got software that would provide many people who didnt bother with gaming or a gaming console to get one now.
Stumpokapow said:
Yes, there is plenty of stuff worth buying on the Wii. Who said theres a problem? I know i didnt. I asked simply for what games were worth buying in the Wii that came out recently (and I should have added, besides Warioland because its a worthy game).
Stumpokapow said:
This summary you gave shows how you misunderstood me. Heres one thats more accurate:
Bruce: The Wii doesnt have something worthy of 2 million sold units in my opinion [dont forget, in my opinion is stated]
Segata: Different people have different tastes and opinions [even tho Bruce stated literally that it was just an opinion of his that the wii doesnt deserve sales like this since it doesnt have software that would make it this special as of now]
FadyK: Yeah, indeed, but Bruce did state that it was in his opinion that nothing is worthy of it getting such sales right now. I think so too, can you give me a suggestion of a recent title that may be worthy?
Stump: Different people have different tastes.
Big difference. Two completely different arguments, one of which would make me look like one of the fools that constantly say the Wii is a fad, its for kids, third party games dont sell on it, it has only good non-games, etc.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Kuroyume said:
I love the Mets again!
Now, I don't know about anybody else, but I own 8 PSN games and have 2 disc-based PS3 games. (And 4 PS2 games.) Basically, I have little impact on PS3 NPD numbers despite purchasing a decent number of games.JudgeN said:
I'd be interested in knowing numbers for online downloads.
I knew Wii sales would be huge, I was just unsure about a halfway precise number. The supply problem has been mostly solved, I'd say. With sales like this, Wii's lifetime will be longer than initially expected. 2011 would be too early for next-gen.
Sony's sales are brutal. I really feel bad about them. Of course they made mistakes, revealing an insanely high price at E3, etc. But the PS3 simply deserves better for the value it offers. The price difference matters the less the more games you buy, sadly not enough people realized this simple thing. And Blu-Ray makes your HDTV actually worth something besides just gaming. It's really an all around good deal.
Poor baby.
Sony's sales are brutal. I really feel bad about them. Of course they made mistakes, revealing an insanely high price at E3, etc. But the PS3 simply deserves better for the value it offers. The price difference matters the less the more games you buy, sadly not enough people realized this simple thing. And Blu-Ray makes your HDTV actually worth something besides just gaming. It's really an all around good deal.
Poor baby.
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
poppabk said:
The 360 doesn't need to, the work I mentioned above is distributed between my existing PC and 2-3 360's.
Nope and I know what your saying, what I'm saying is for my purposes I'd need 2-3 PC's(and HD capture hardware) and some insanly long(were talking 100's of feet here) expensive HDMI cables and repeaters to do what I do with a single PC, some long ethernet cables and multiple 360's working as HD extenders do perfectly well. I do all my own encoding\re-encoding of RAW MPEG streams so there's no point the 360 as an extender hadnles everything I throw at it and then some. The 360 also has native interface for HDMI(non of the DVI to HDMI adapter BS, I won't deal with that becaseu it has unpredictable results with variosu types of HDTV's) which you cannot easiely get for a PC.
Sorry I still don't see any tangable advantages to having a dedicated media PC in the living room, even if I didn't need to output to be in multiple locations.
(Stats about Nintendo YoY v. rest of industry)
What confuses me is Anita Frazier's comment about the entire industry being up YoY. If Nintendo's results represent > 100% of that increase (198% in their press release), doesn't that mean the industry in general is actually down? Or are there only a few companies that are really down, while the rest are treading water or going up?
Microsoft's press release said total software revenue for 11/08 was $408 million, and I saw elsewhere that the ARP for the X360 was $270. That gives another $225.7 million, for a total of $633.7 million in revenue for Microsoft, excluding accessories. Any idea how that compares with 11/07?
Jammy said:
What confuses me is Anita Frazier's comment about the entire industry being up YoY. If Nintendo's results represent > 100% of that increase (198% in their press release), doesn't that mean the industry in general is actually down? Or are there only a few companies that are really down, while the rest are treading water or going up?
Microsoft's press release said total software revenue for 11/08 was $408 million, and I saw elsewhere that the ARP for the X360 was $270. That gives another $225.7 million, for a total of $633.7 million in revenue for Microsoft, excluding accessories. Any idea how that compares with 11/07?
xs_mini_neo
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Opiate said:
They can. They CAN. They have the PS2 and PSP to fall back on. Microsoft lost a shiton of money thanks to the RRoD, but they are focusing on selling more systems before only obsessing over profits to line their CEOs pockets, which is what got Sony in this shithole to begin with. Remember what happened to the Saturn when they came out with that 400 console bullshit? They lost. Nobody in the mainstream will pay 400+ for a videogame system. It will never, ever happen. Nintendo is the only one that understands this basic concept, and why they have never gone above the reasonable price range.
Sony, lower the price if you want to live.
Eteric Rice
Member
I'm kind of worried, it seems a lot of big deal games didn't do that well.
I can see a lot of companies closing up shop, or letting a lot of people go if this continues.
I can see a lot of companies closing up shop, or letting a lot of people go if this continues.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
Woah, what happened to Rock Band 2? How can Rock Band Wii outsell Rock Band 2?!
Can't wait to see how RB2 Wii fares! (OMG @ Mario Kart DS, it's still there in the top 20!)
Can't wait to see how RB2 Wii fares! (OMG @ Mario Kart DS, it's still there in the top 20!)
Stoney Mason
Banned
Eteric Rice said:
Which games are these? Tomb Raider?
Stoney Mason said:
Last Remnant, Banjo, Mirrors Edge etc. many high budget Games are bombing - if those games were on wii, with the same results ppl here would go crazy and convinced that it`s because those kind of game can`t sell on wii.
btw. Next bomba in Dec NPD will be probably Prince of Persia....
BenjaminBirdie
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xs_mini_neo said:
Didn't those plummet YoY as well?
Stoney Mason
Banned
cw_sasuke said:
I think some of the games you mentioned are bigger among the GAF demo than the general demo. Even Tomb Raider isn't quite the franchise it use to be. Every Xmas you have some winners and some losers.
ViperVisor
Member
Animal Crossing is not a surprise. Non haters couldn't have thought it was going to bomb now or long term.
Sure it is a meh sequel of a console game that has already been an online game in another form. The uniqueness is worn now but they added another thing to it with voice chat which fits it well. They didn't do many ads cause they know it already has a base of support and they will buy it and spread from them to newbs. And like the DS version it will have a long life.
Sure it is a meh sequel of a console game that has already been an online game in another form. The uniqueness is worn now but they added another thing to it with voice chat which fits it well. They didn't do many ads cause they know it already has a base of support and they will buy it and spread from them to newbs. And like the DS version it will have a long life.
MisterHero
Super Member
If it weren't for Nintendo rejecting MS' buyout and their earlier mutual backstabbing with Sony neither of them would be in the industry, so it would only be fitting that Nintendo show them how it's done.soldat7 said:
and potentially drive them out
Sure, competition is nice and I really don't loathe MS/Sony anymore, but they were/are promoting trends that are unhealthy for the industry (high production costs/waiting to break even for profit/making themselves vulnerable to the recession/etc.), and no one is paying for it more than themselves.
Competition this gen/late last gen was so great that companies were merging/buying each other out because they knew that individually they weren't going to endure AAA-production costs due to the inflated expectations of HD and 'hardcore' gamers with the advent of these high-powered machines. It was that awesome.
Sure as a gamer you can remain ignorant of their failings but this is the internet, where we can state these concerns. Nintendo has some failings as well, but they aren't the degree of trouble Sony is. MS fared a bit better having sold more than Xbox1, so they aren't in much trouble either.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I'm talking about using a lower end PC as a replacement for the 360 as the client/extender.tinfoilhatman said:
So one server PC and multiple client PC's networked however you want.
If you never deal with awkward codecs and never want blu-ray drives on your clients and don't want to go wireless, are not worried about DRM, and don't want to control post processing on your output then it is probably cheaper and easier using the 360, but there are several reasons why someone would choose a PC over a 360 as a client.
A lot of motherboards have integrated graphics sufficient for 1080p and have HDMI out just for the record.
mr_bishiuk
Banned
Tom Penny said:
We know it sold 141k in November, just shows how front loaded games are (well 360 and Ps3 at least), when a game goes on sale all the online preorders and such get processed so its not just one day's sales it can be many months worth.
myDingling
Member
fps fanatic said:
I want choices for my SOFTWARE not my hardware, as it should be for hardcore console gamers. I hate that buying a console nowadays means you're throwing up your support for a certain brand, a certain "philosophy" on what gaming culture should be. I just wanna play your damn games!
On the other hand, I'm glad exclusives have quickly eroded this generation making hardware choice less of a limiting path. But until all exclusives are banished, serious gamers will have to pay (literally) for the privilege to play.
APZonerunner
Member
Nicktals said:
If you guys are fans of the old Banjo games, you're seriously missing out and don't fucking realize it
Randy Lanzarote
Member
CowGirl said:
And its now £25 at Gamestation stores.
Released too late in the quarter, most of the big titles are now snowballing as we get towards Xmas.
timetokill
Banned
CowGirl said:
Should have put Jade in a bikini on the box.
Future PhaZe
Member
Teams are going to have to get used to making higher budget games anyway. In the short run they will make money off of Wii due to lower dev costs, but they are only delaying the inevitable. Nintendos next console will likely be HD and have tech in the range of PS3/360, so there is a certain point where these companies have to get with the times. They aren't going to be able to live off of 480p forever.
LBP sold 141,000 units in November
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=21509
Wasn't the original JRPG argument the assumption that all JRPG fans are loyal to the Sony brand and will follow the system and support its original games?RpgN said:
Can we now all admit the genre just isn't strong as it used to be in the US and realize the choice of platform doesn't matter anymore?
icecream said:
VC and Vesperia would have performed exactly the same last generation. Just look at Abyss's epic bombing. Very few JRPGs have EVER done good in the U.S. We've already had one this gen with Lost Odyssey that did well. Last generation we had some select ones like Star Ocean 3 and Tales of Symphonia.
Paracelsus
Member
Japan.
Loudninja said:
So that puts the game at around 400k-500k now? That's pretty good, especially for a new IP on the PS3 (Uncharted was a bigger "bomb" IIRC). And especially for this kind of new IP on the PS3. Also, the night is darkest just before the dawn. And as they say, the dawn is coming unless some maniac clown horribly disfigures you and makes you go on a rampage against those that wronged you.
RpgN
Junior Member
icecream said:
I can say that this comment didn't come from me.
I honestly don't know where the rpg crowd is right now. Maybe we need a game like FFXIII to get things started on the HD consoles.
Regarding VC, this game is sold out in many places and it's getting rare (check for yourself). I have no idea how much Sega expected out of VC and wether it will get new prints in the US.
Stoney Mason
Banned
RpgN said:
Jrpg's were never quite as big as some made out in this country outside of the Final Fantasy franchise. The Sony perception came about because Sony had a stranglehold on both the US and Japan market as a whole for two straight generations. It was related to who controlled the market. Not a reflection of a Sony bias.