Pokeylongo
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Holy shit, that's amazing! :lolXiaNaphryz said:Still catching up on this thread in the early pages so I dunno if this has been posted yet, but I had to do it:
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NPD Sales Results for April 2007
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speculawyer said:
Since 360 and PS3 Wii Sports clones would be inherently superior (the HD difference), then, by inference (since waggle is all Nintendo has going for it, amirite?) it would spell doom for Nintendo.
Take your pick: a peripheral that few games support and fails to gain any sort of mainstream popularity or a default waggle wand (again, the latter needs no further explanation).
EDIT: I don't know how I can make it any plainer. A waggle wand for 360 or PS3 simply will_not_gain_traction.
speculawyer said:
You're beating on a strawman. Your inference that it would be very simple to add in an entirely new control scheme for an established platform is a bit disingenuous. It's about as comparable as saying that Nintendo coming out with a brand new platform that is HD capable would render 360 obsolete.
speculawyer
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Deku said:
Big difference there. A Wii HD would cost hundreds. A waggle game with waggle-wand included could be sold for $50 for the PS3 or 360. Want proof? . . . Wii Play. I'd be surprised if neither MSFT nor Sony do that.
BrodiemanTTR
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I doubt the Wii Sports crowd would be willing to spend several hundred (potentially thousands if they don't already own an HD set) more dollars just to waggle in HD. Wii Sports is the right game at the right price. A Wii Sports clone on 360 or PS3 with a knockoff Wiimote would fall on its face.
speculawyer
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Deku said:
Seriously . . . you think a waggle-wand with a few accelerometers is the same as launching a new console? C'mon!
speculawyer said:
Except peripherals don't work like that. Cost is lower sure, but the uptake would be difficult and it would be impossible to establish a new standard without having to simultaenously support the old controller. I think you forgot the lessons Sega learned in the 90s.
The closest you'll get is an eyetoy style device. Same difference.
..pakbeka..
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BEST GIF EVERXiaNaphryz said:
the chad warden cameo was awesome :lol
Tristam said:
Patcher just needs to follow his gut more and get in better touch with the thought process of the average consumer.
Picking sales is not that hard.. He should just come to GAF and look at the general consensus. It will usually be better than his first impulse.
If i were hired as an analyst, that's what I would do.
Flesh Into Gear
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speculawyer said:
I'm pretty sure Nintendo could of implmented HD without having to spend much. Xbox 1 could do it. Anyway, the Wii's low price point is just as (if not more) important as Waggle, just tacking it on won't help MS or Sony at all.
sp0rsk said:
I wonder if his published estimates were done with his analyst hat only and taking data from his sampling of stores which seems to have significant deviance from the actual sampling NPD is taking. GAF has no such facilities and we seem to do better just based on our feel for what' coming out in any given month and word of mouth/store level sales data.
DayShallCome said:
Ah. I see. First month I've actually cared to pay attention about these fandangled things.
XBOX numbers were ignored since NPD didn't give anything important about it.
Regardless, BuzzJive would stay on top since he was only off by 1 for GC (bringing his score down to 108) and Tf53 did not make his guess, so he'd go down to 109. So 1-2 stays constant. The others have a lil' shifting... but nothing too big.
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(Ignoring GC numbers), Top 25.
1 BuzzJive 108
2 Tf53 109
3 speculawyer 118
4 Dimmuxx 121
5 apujanata 127
6 DayShallCome 130
7 Mallika 135
8 argon 153
8 Giddeon 153
10 donny2112 154
11 Parl 156
11 F#A#Oo 156
13 Xabora 158
14 chibicicylist 160
14 corez 160
16 Clever Pun 161
17 sonycowboy 163
18 Pope Benedict XVI 165
19 Branduil 168
20 perfectchaos007 176
21 John Dunbar 179
22 PhoenixDark 180
23 Barf_the_Mog 181
24 Orgen 182
25 PACHTER 189Yes well... there are a total of 161 people who picked. Pachter just rounded up the top 25 (~Top 16%)Deku said:
rikitikitik
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You win the thread.XiaNaphryz said:
speculawyer
Member
Deku said:
It is an OPTIONAL alternate controller. Very few games would support it.
Sega's peripheral problems were add-ons like the CD drive . . . not a controller included with a game.
Deku said:
Exactly . . . and the eyetoy was a huge success. A PS3/360 waggle-wand would be just like the eyetoy . . . it would be sold with a game and most games would not support it.
The point of this waggle-wand is not to wipe the Wii off the face of the earth. The point is to get customers who are trying to decide between a high-powered HD console & a fun waggle-box to pick the one that can do both. The Wii would still get plenty of sales for people totally into waggle and want Nintendo 1st party IP.
Pokeylongo
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This thread is like a huge pyramid of win sitting at Best Buy.
titiklabingapat
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speculawyer said:
Besides, even if they have waggle, they don't have/or will have a very hard time coming up with a Wii Sports/Wii interface equivalent. Many have tried to topple Apple, including Sony and Microsoft, but neither can come up with an iTunes-like software capable of pulling the crowds away from the iPod+iTunes combo.
Sony is already trying with the High Velocity Wii Bowling clone and the best they could come up with is distribute is using an overly complicated download service.
speculawyer
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Tristam said:
The Wii-mote can be used with other games . . . so that means the PS3 & 360 could not produce a waggle-mote & game? That makes no sense.
DefectiveReject
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speculawyer said:
you sir are an idiot
Interface add-ons or changes *can* be done successfully (Genesis 6 button, Dual Shock, Rumble Pak, etc) but the longer Microsoft waits, the harder it'll be. Plus, it's not like Sixaxis seems to be helping PS3 any, the press and the mainstream see it more as derivative copycating... if Microsoft did the same it'd come off as a bit desperate.
I'd rather they work on getting a HDD into every 360 first honestly. Save waggle for the next round, it's not going to be doing 360 any appreciable favors most likely.
I'd rather they work on getting a HDD into every 360 first honestly. Save waggle for the next round, it's not going to be doing 360 any appreciable favors most likely.
speculawyer said:
Huh? People buy Wii Play because it's a $10 game packaged with the default system controller, one which is used for every other game on the system. It is NOT a "side" peripheral.
jarrod said:
See "there's a big difference between upgrading from SIXAXIS to true waggle wand and upgrading from PS controller to Dualshock."
Tristam said:
It's pretty clear from the above statements that you have no clue what's going on. It's more than "waggle wand" that made Wii as successful as it enjoys now. If you truely believe that all it takes for sony and ms to run over nintendo is to release the "waggle wand", you can't be any further from truth.
speculawyer
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Flesh Into Gear said:
Yeah . . . OK . . . they'll just release a magic HD chip that you can slide into the SDRAM slot.
And even though Nintendo can sell a waggle-mote with game for $50, it would be impossible for Microsoft or Sony to do so even though their systems have flexible wireless controller interfaces that have already been used to implement other controllers such as disc player remotes, steering wheels, headsets, etc.
Clearly I'm wasting my time here.
Starchasing
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speculawyer said:
You are wrong. Such a move will have no impact whatsoever.
The problem with your reasoning is to think that the remote is what set aparts wii from other consoles. No no and no...
What is making Wii successfull is it overall strategy and it flawless execution. In any case Sony would need to copy the whole Nintendo strategy and execute it flawlessly too.
Battersea Power Station
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Blablurn said:
Then its an eyetoy.speculawyer said:
I already pointed out was a success (way ahead of you) but it was also pointed out it has no real meaningful software support, especially from third parties.
I also mused neither 360 nor PS3 would enjoy the sheer size and demographic variety the PS2 enjoyed to support such a peripheral to great success and neither platform will ever achieve those heights.
In short if they try it now or next year, expect it bomb harder than the 32X and confuse even more consumers. Sega peripheralitis part 2, here we come and if you thought Elite was a mistake...
that's the point. why should I buy a periferal I can use with a game only while on the other hand there's a low-priced console that makes its existence on the waggling? also, I think that at this point games that needs "exaggerated" waggling (like wiisports) are immediately associated with the wii and vice versa.
planetkiller
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Sony is going to be fine. Just ask Wollan (read his thread of spin outside of this thread)
Frank the Great
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why are people comparing waggle to HD? do you think the typical consumer really cares about HD at all? theres a reason why the PS3 and elite are bombas.
also, wii has already in this short span established itself as waggle central; the place for casuals to go. 360 can easily copy it but it will never take off. i dont need to explain why. you should know and if you dont youre stupid.
the momentum has been set for nintendomination, theres nothing that can really stop it now unless it turns out the wii really is just a fad that will die within a year. sony can cut PS3's price and MS can rip off the wiimote and get a ridiculous amount of hardcore AAA games, but it wont change anything.
now stop the silly arguing and make with more gifs
also, wii has already in this short span established itself as waggle central; the place for casuals to go. 360 can easily copy it but it will never take off. i dont need to explain why. you should know and if you dont youre stupid.
the momentum has been set for nintendomination, theres nothing that can really stop it now unless it turns out the wii really is just a fad that will die within a year. sony can cut PS3's price and MS can rip off the wiimote and get a ridiculous amount of hardcore AAA games, but it wont change anything.
now stop the silly arguing and make with more gifs
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I just noticed Tabris got "bitter fanboy" added to his tag...did that just happen in this thread?
Earthstrike
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Can someone please summarize any meltdowns I may have missed?
jordan0386
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We get on PS3 gamers, with the whole "what are you playing to justify the cost"
My question to Wii owners, What are you playing to justify positive word of mouth, and having your friends buy this console as well?
Xbox 360 is the better buy, why is it losing 2 to 1, to any console
My question to Wii owners, What are you playing to justify positive word of mouth, and having your friends buy this console as well?
Xbox 360 is the better buy, why is it losing 2 to 1, to any console
Canadian numbers (npd)
Wii : 42.100
Ds : 34.900
PS2:18.000
X360:12.800
PSP:12.100
GBA:7.900
PS3:7.200
(thanks to http://www.jeux-france.com/blog_Otsuka)
Though I don't know march numbers for Canada, I can say that wii sold around 212k to date. (80k in december + 34k in january + 28 in february + 28 in march (?) + 42 in april)
So Wii sold @ 2,66 millions in NA to date. (2450k (usa) + 212k (canada))
Not bad....
Wii : 42.100
Ds : 34.900
PS2:18.000
X360:12.800
PSP:12.100
GBA:7.900
PS3:7.200
(thanks to http://www.jeux-france.com/blog_Otsuka)
Though I don't know march numbers for Canada, I can say that wii sold around 212k to date. (80k in december + 34k in january + 28 in february + 28 in march (?) + 42 in april)
So Wii sold @ 2,66 millions in NA to date. (2450k (usa) + 212k (canada))
Not bad....