Nightstick11
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NPD Sales Results for April 2007
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TekunoRobby
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But they won't.speculawyer said:
jordan0386
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titiklabingapat said:
If the goal is to do 50m by end of 2007, I guess you would have that point...the hype is big...but looking 5 years from now, looking at the possible advancement in gaming over the next five years...the only thing Wii offers is controlling how a game is played, the other 2 consoles will be making advancements in several more areas, more worthwhile areas
What do I want...Call of Duty 6 on a PS3 or COD 6 on Wii, when it will barely look better than 3 that is out now on a Wii(I think its 3)...but wait, at least I can make gun movements at my tv screen
speculawyer said:
I'm taking the LSAT this spring.
But you first compared this hypothetical waggle wand to the EyeToy and dance mats (both of which filled a void in the market; the waggle void is filled thanks to the Wii, as I've already pointed out).
You then compared it to the Classic Controller. The problem is, the Classic Controller supports far, far more games than this waggle wand could ever hope to.
Earthstrike
Member
speculawyer said:
People aren't judging you 'cause you have lawyer in your usernick.
Rule #54: If you ever try to use psychoanalysis on the internet to try make some point on the internet, you should probably stop.
With that said, I think what people are trying to argue is that any 360 waggle would do so little to reduce the Wii Waggle advantage that it would not be worth Microsoft's money.
jordan0386
Member
StevieP said:
memorable experiences on GC, one hand...experiences on PS2, all the humans in NYC
...after this year, trade in your Wii
jordan0386 said:
Who are you to decide which advancements are more important? It's the general consumer that's deciding... right NOW.
If only that post made sense. But yeah, go ahead - trade in your wii after this year. You'll be buying another one in 2-3 years when the Wii's success nears that of the PS2.
junkwaffle
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TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
AHHH
TekunoRobby said:
Fair point, but would that imply PS3 would get no games then? Surely you wouldn't say that.
But that's purely rhetorical. My point is, Third parties is doing quite well in terms of overall dollar share of the market. Last solid numbers I had was around 50-55% of the Wii software market and no one can say Wii software sales are bad, because they aren't. It's fairly typical of what we expect to see from a new platform, which also happens to have a pack-in title.
With our gimped NPD numbers its tough to say just how well they are doing right now, but I would suspect the trend is more or less the same because nothing has changed.
jordan0386
Member
StevieP said:
With what games?
speculawyer
Member
DefectiveReject said:
DefectiveReject said:
I don't believe MS can just add a waggle wand to their line up and gain as much momentum as Nintendo. Hence, it is a lie.
DefectiveReject said:
So 'fully supports' now means 'some games use it'.
But you guys are so right . . . how could anyone be so stupid to think that a game selling with its own peripheral EVER be a success? Dance mats are just a fluke. That will never happen again. I'm just absolutely stupid.
sonycowboy said:
Must be those drugs I'm on.
titiklabingapat
Member
jordan0386 said:
Consumers says that what the Wii offer is more worthwhile to them than what the PS3/360 does.
Exceptions rather than a rule. For every GH, there are ten other that failed.speculawyer said:
Earthstrike
Member
jordan0386 said:
The ones third parties are starting to develop right now cuz they're in their boardrooms saying "Oh, Shit, there's money to be made"
I mean honestly, I can easily see everything you're saying being used in the first year of the PSP-DS war.
TekunoRobby
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whatdog.gifDeku said:
I'm happy Super Paper Mario is up on the charts. Wii Sports and Wii Play are also doing pretty well in Japan. I guess Big Brain Academy might do well here as well. That's about it.Deku said:
Thankfully there's a bright side, this Fall seems pretty good for the Wii.
Zerostatic
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Motion Sensing gaming in my opinion a lot more of a significant advancement then going to IBM and buying a "fairly powerful CPU" and then going to ATI or Nvidia and getting their latest GPU. That's what companies do every single gen, now totally revamping the way we interact with games is supposed to be minimal compared to that? Get real, get off your high horse, and open up your eyes.jordan0386 said:
I'm not an "speculawyer fan" or anything..
Anyway..
What he said has been taken out of context..
He didnt' said that MS and Sony, should release a "waggle controller" to destroy the Wii, and also make it their default controller..
He said that MS and Sony, should release some 'waggle controler' to cater those gamers (which there are many on this board aside other places), that would like to buy/play "waggle games", but don't want to buy a Wii (because of the SD-visuals, because of not wanting another console, things like that)...
Is just an additional option for those that would like to play 'something' like the Wii, but not buy a Wii per se ....people that are more willing to pay under $100 for a game wit ha special controller, rather than a $250. (the Drinky/Speevy kinda of gamer)
That aside, I'd like my 'waggle controller' to stay on the Wii..
Hehehehe...
Many were calling it gimmicky at first..many hated the shape/design..the concept..many just assumed that "gaming generational leaps" are dictated by the power inside the console, not by the concepts broughts to gaming, causing many to assume that "Nientido are doUmmed"...
Oh well..
Anyway..
What he said has been taken out of context..
He didnt' said that MS and Sony, should release a "waggle controller" to destroy the Wii, and also make it their default controller..
He said that MS and Sony, should release some 'waggle controler' to cater those gamers (which there are many on this board aside other places), that would like to buy/play "waggle games", but don't want to buy a Wii (because of the SD-visuals, because of not wanting another console, things like that)...
Is just an additional option for those that would like to play 'something' like the Wii, but not buy a Wii per se ....people that are more willing to pay under $100 for a game wit ha special controller, rather than a $250. (the Drinky/Speevy kinda of gamer)
That aside, I'd like my 'waggle controller' to stay on the Wii..
Hehehehe...
Many were calling it gimmicky at first..many hated the shape/design..the concept..many just assumed that "gaming generational leaps" are dictated by the power inside the console, not by the concepts broughts to gaming, causing many to assume that "Nientido are doUmmed"...
Oh well..
jordan0386
Member
general consumer also loves his Ps2, all things playstation to be exact...
Why are they buying Wiis over PS3s in a few years
Is Nintendo Wii better than ps2 now?
Why are they buying Wiis over PS3s in a few years
Is Nintendo Wii better than ps2 now?
Earthstrike
Member
speculawyer said:
The thing is the game has to be GOOD. For one thing, who will develop this waggle based game? It would be more expensive than doing a Wii version. 360 SDK's are not equipped with in bound waggle based functions like Nintendo is. I mean you're comparing a guitar (which is like a giant controller with certain button placement) to a completely new gaming technology which requires new knowledge to work and develop with.
The games would cost more, be harder to develop, and harder to make into a quality game due to lack of developer experience and SDK support.
jordan0386
Member
StevieP said:
As of right now, 360 still has the bigger userbase...whats is your point
speculawyer
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Tristam said:
So are dance mats only one console because that console 'filled the void'. Are steering wheels only on one console?
Tristam said:
I just brought up the classic controller to show that a controller does not have to 'fully support' all games to be a success. And as my more recent post shows, you can have very successful add-on controllers that support only 1 game!
TekunoRobby said:
I'm speaking about NPD US figures specifically and in a mixed top 10 it's completely useless in forming an opinion other than finding out how many units the most popular of games sold. I'm not sure how you can extrapolate that into anything.
As for Media Create numbers, Johnnyram post some totals a month or so back, you should check them out.
titiklabingapat
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I should have stopped three posts ago.jordan0386 said:
TekunoRobby
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Nah I'm good. You're doing an excellent job spinning. I rather come to you anyways, Tarutarus are sweet.Deku said:
Well somebody has to set things in motion. Microsoft seems content on waiting for Sony to make the first move, and Sony will probably wait until they don't need to ship any systems for a quarter or two because of oversupply, like they did with the PSP. Nintendo in the meantime, will laugh itself all the way to the bank.
jordan0386
Member
Stop whenever you want...
All I see is posters bitching about half ass ports to Wii, these half ass ports not lighting up the charts...but these are the games that will propel Wii to over 50m before anyone else and be number 1
Whatever
Edit: I have been all over the place in a few posts, my bad
All I see is posters bitching about half ass ports to Wii, these half ass ports not lighting up the charts...but these are the games that will propel Wii to over 50m before anyone else and be number 1
Whatever
Edit: I have been all over the place in a few posts, my bad
speculawyer
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fernoca said:
Exactly. And waggle-mote add-on could largely be a failure and yet achieve an important goal. Look at the HD-DVD add-on to the 360. That thing is a failure. But even though it is a failure, it has succeeded it making the Blu-Ray capability of the PS3 not look that important. A lot of people look at Blu-Ray and think . . . well . . . I don't know which is the winner between Blu-Ray & HD-DVD, so I'm not going to view the PS3 Blu-Ray capability as something all that important.
Earthstrike
Member
jordan0386 said:
If by all things playstation, you include the PSP, I would have to inquire as to how the DS could possibly be completely destroying the PSP in terms of Hardware and Software sales? And if increased functionality isn't as important increased processing power why is the PSP not outselling the DS? Any you say loving all things playstation? There are three playstation products on the market right now; one is selling abysmally, one is selling mediocrely, and one is selling well. This hardly classifies as people loving all things playstation.
DefectiveReject
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speculawyer said:
wowsers one game using a peripheral nears the top of the charts!
And it isn't a lie, you so firmly believe MS can add waggle and run with it
jordan0386
Member
Earthstrike said:
I was looking at it more like, the carry over of 100m in sales, for the home consoles...but I see your point
Earthstrike
Member
speculawyer said:
I don't think your point about the HD-DVD add-on being that significant is true since I highly doubt casuals 1. Use the ability to play next gen media discs as a decision basis for console purchases 2. are even aware of an HD-DVD add-on.
It's one thing to speculate what people might say about a product. It's another to support that statement with evidence. I mean who are these people that say that?
goldenpp72
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The wii will most likely outsell the n64 and cube though.
jordan0386
Member
StevieP said:
I was talking about Playstation though
...thanks anyway
Fanboys on message boards (aka "the hardcore") make up the minority of hardware purchasers.... you DO know that, right? Or should I just stop right now? :lol
goldenpp72 said:
And that has NOTHING to do with Nintendo fans. It has everything to do with the casual buyer that make up the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of sales on platforms such as the NES/PSX/PS2/DS/etc. They have no fanboy allegiance, and history proves that point many times over.
Earthstrike
Member
jordan0386 said:
Except it's not a perfect carryover. Hell, it doesn't even look like it's gonna be a 50% carryover.
TekunoRobby
Tag of Excellence
It's not an attack at all, its an accurate statement based on your fierce dedication to prove that Wii sales are lighting up the charts despite multiple indications that outside of a few dedicated releases that isn't the case. Manipulating numbers to put them in the most positive outlook possible is spinning whether intentional or not.Deku said:
Now I have an open mind and you've obviously done the research. I've followed the progress but haven't done due diligence and forgot to chart it out or copy it down. To be honest I'd love someone to do the work for me. Please show me, I think it'd be a great addition to this thread and you'd clarify the situation for me since you've been so keen to do so. I'm being honest here.