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[Xisiqomelir]

Not even a page in. Fantastic :lol

 

[CrazzyMan]

Going from #1 and dominating the consoles for 2 generations and then selling its soul for a disk format and ending up in third place is never good..

The fact that xbox is outselling PS3 means more xbots.. means more sales next gen.. less sales for playstation.

3rd is never a good spot if you can't offset your losses.
But I am sure Sony is going to take its BR money and make sure we get a PS4 right?

If Nintendo could survive that(though they had a gameboy all the time)) ), Sony definitely will be.

So, you assume, that there are 140 mln. PS2 owners which wait for 199-249$-299$ entry price, to play beyond on PS3? I mean, when the price is right?)))

3rd is never good, when the difference is like 100 mln., but when the difference is like 10-20 mln. from main competitors, it`s not "that" catastrophic.

Honestly I don't completely disagree with this. As I've said all along I think this Gen Sony has to focus on profitability rather than sales or trying to overcome the, what, 6-7 (or is it 8-9 million now?) deficit world wide against the 360. I think at some point they may lose some games altogether if sales continue to be flat or down, but for now you're right. They're basically holding serve. They're not changing the dynamic against the 360 and have lost some ground this year. I don't consider that a bad thing necessarily from a profit perspective, from a sales perspective it's a bad sign if you think they can catch up to the 360 world wide.

All, i want to see, how PS3 will be doing at 199-299$/€ price. Somehow, i don`t believe, that PS3 will be doing at that price as bad as x360 is doing(compared to Wii).
Unfortunately time travel are not possible at this time(probably), so all i need to do, is to wait, meanwhile PS3 will continue getting great AA games.

5 months is almost a whole year?

not on my planet, unless you're rounding up which in that case, maybe.

I meant PS3 was ahead of YTD sales in NA for the most time of the year.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

It just never ends.

 

[Majmun]

Damn, even a Nintendo game like Wii Music is about to sell over 1 mln copies. :/

 

[Archie]

Harmonix misread as well. MISREAD THE MARKET!

I doubt Harmonix will misread the market when The Beatles game comes out and is the 4th best selling title of 2009 (behind Wii Fit, Wii Play and Mario Kart, of course).

 

[APZonerunner]

If Nintendo could survive that(though they had a gameboy all the time)) ), Sony definitely will be.

Well the thing is as their console business was dying they had a handheld business which has sold tens of millions of consoles and something else pretty big was happening to Nintendo. A big fucking franchise taking off that spawned millions and millions of dollars of toys, cartoons, licensing deals, board games, movies...

Without this, Nintendo may well have gone the way of Sega.

 

[BorkBork]

That pie chart, from a visual standpoint, is just the be-all and end-all of PR. It doesn't get any better than that. Kudos Nintendo.

Well the thing is as their console business was dying they had a handheld business which has sold tens of millions of consoles and something else pretty big was happening to Nintendo. A big fucking franchise taking off that spawned millions and millions of dollars of toys, cartoons, licensing deals, board games, movies...



Without this, Nintendo may well have gone the way of Sega.

Oh come on, you can do better than that. Nintendo was making record profits (at the time obviously) during the N64 era. Their console business was nowhere near dying.

 

[Deku]

:lol

I love the gaming side forum.

It was just a suggestion to get more numbers on the top 10 list. They could still get their Wii Fit and Wii Play numbers fix in the hardware section. I figured people would be in favor of this, but I guess not.

Sales age, serious business!

Well I've only ever seen non sales-agers call for expanded top 10s when the current list at hand doesnt suit their argument(s) and ad hoc explanations of why the market is not responding as they had hoped.

At least the Sales-Agers here have the fair-mindedness to ask for Top 20s at mininum to get a better picture, rather than using the top 10 to make come coked up theory.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I was kidding, that is gameplay from the alpha version and it's just clearly a bug which common in every early stage of any game, no need to get defensive here...

You showed a flaw of the mighty Killzone 2!! I wouldn't be surprised if they are plotting to send someone to your house man. I'd be careful. I recently picked up a PS3 and am mildly looking forward to Killzone 2, but those people in that Killzone 2 thread are completely batshit insane. I peak at the thread every once in a while, but I can only take so much. The best part is when they talk to each other about "why does everyone freak out about this thread =/ ?" and then continue to circle-jerk over tiny gifs in slow motion with their LBP and KZ2 avatars.

 

[HylianTom]

Well the thing is as their console business was dying they had a handheld business which has sold tens of millions of consoles and something else pretty big was happening to Nintendo. A big fucking franchise taking off that spawned millions and millions of dollars of toys, cartoons, licensing deals, board games, movies...

Without this, Nintendo may well have gone the way of Sega.

That, and the small fact that they made a profit on each console sold.

Just a small, apparently forgettable detail.

 

[Arde5643]

That pie chart, from a visual standpoint, is just the be-all and end-all of PR. It doesn't get any better than that. Kudos Nintendo.

That pie-chart is truly a big ass Nintendo-wankery as well as a big fat finger to the rest of the gaming industry. :lol :lol

 

[CrazzyMan]

Nintendo's spin is out. The pie chart is pretty remarkable.

wow, that`s some serious business here...

BUT, afterall, it should be doing like that, as far as i know, Nintendo mostly make it`s money from gaming sector, while Sony/MS have other divisions to care.)

 

[The Faceless Master]

Nintendo's spin is out. The pie chart is pretty remarkable.

REDMOND, Wash.–(BUSINESS WIRE)– Before 2008, no video game system had ever been purchased by ten million Americans in a single year. But according to independent sales data released today by the NPD Group, the Wii™ console from Nintendo did just that, even during these economic times, with 2008 unit sales of 10.17 million. The Nintendo DS™ portable handheld system came in a close second, with 2008 unit sales of 9.95 million. Each of them broke the previous yearly unit sales record set in 2007 by Nintendo DS with sales of 8.52 million.

Consequently, Wii represented 55% of all next generation home console sales in 2008, while Nintendo DS claimed 72% of all portable system sales in 2008.

“Our type of entertainment has now moved to the point where there is no longer a question that if you offer consumers an expanded definition of what a video game can be, and deliver that idea with quality and affordability in mind, millions of new people will start playing video games,” said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America’s executive vice president of Sales & Marketing. “Concepts like Wii Fit, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band never would have seemed feasible just a few years ago, and now they’re driving growth for our the entire industry.”

NPD data released for December and all of 2008 also included the following:

* The industry’s top 4 selling games of 2008 were: Wii Play™ at No. 1, Mario Kart™ Wii at No. 2, Wii Fit™ at No.3, and Super Smash Brothers™ Brawl, at No. 4.
* Industry annual revenues jumped 19% in 2008 over 2007, and Nintendo products were responsible for 99% of those additional retail dollars.
* Nintendo DS set another industry record for system sales in any month, with 3.04 million units sold in December.
* Wii broke its own monthly record, set in December 2007, by selling 2.14 million units last month.
* In December, Nintendo titles filled 20 of the top 30 spots on the best-seller list. Six games made for Nintendo systems placed in the top 10, including Wii Music™ for Wii (No. 9), which has now sold 865,000 units following its launch in October 2008, and Mario Kart DS for the Nintendo DS (No. 7), which has sold a total of 4.3 million units 38 months after launch.
* Activision’s Guitar Hero® III: Legends of Rock and Guitar Hero® World Tour, and MTV Games/EA’s* Rock Band Special Edition Bundle all sold more units on Nintendo platforms than any other platforms in 2008.
* More 3rd party units were sold for Wii than any other home consoles in December for the 2nd consecutive month.
* For the year, more than 132 million games were sold in America for play on Nintendo systems.

cold blooded.

 

[Liabe Brave]

So I'm guessing the PS3 has a userbase of 19 million? or am I wrong?

We can only make a stab at Europe, but yes, the best guess is 19-20m worldwide.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Damn, even a Nintendo game like Wii Music is about to sell over 1 mln copies. :/

Nintendo just reached the best point a company could reach in the massmarket:"brand name", the game not only had a huge marketing campaign behind it, it's a "Nintendo game = fun" in the mind of a lot of consumers.

 

[markatisu]

MTV Games/EA’s* Rock Band Special Edition Bundle all sold more units on Nintendo platforms than any other platforms in 2008.

I wonder what the difference is between the 360 and Wii version of RB1? We know the Wii version long surprassed the PS3 and PS2 versions (RB1 Wii was almost at 1m in US during Sept)

 

[OmegaRed]

We can only make a stab at Europe, but yes, the best guess is 19-20m worldwide.

That's better than I expected, I guess.

 

[lowlylowlycook]

If Nintendo could survive that(though they had a gameboy all the time)) ), Sony definitely will be.

3rd is never good, when the difference is like 100 mln., but when the difference is like 10-20 mln. from main competitors, it`s not "that" catastrophic.

Hey, I bet you didn't know that the PS3 has already lost Sony all the profits they made with the PS2 and some of the profits they made with the PS1.

Seems sort of .... catastrophic.

 

[SimpleDesign]

It just never ends.

I know, damn Xbots are like the replicators from Stargate SG1.

:lol

Real talk, Sony fans should be happy the Xbox 360 is selling well. Think about it.

 

[TheGreatDave]

I doubt Harmonix will misread the market when The Beatles game comes out and is the 4th best selling title of 2009 (behind Wii Fit, Wii Play and Mario Kart, of course).

The Beatles game will be outsold by GH:5 for sure.

 

[AwRy108]

Wow, even at a minimum investment of $400, SONY managed to sell over 700k PS3's--when they drop the price, they're gonna sell a f*ck-ton of them!

 

[yoopoo]

* The industry’s top 4 selling games of 2008 were: Wii Play™ at No. 1, Mario Kart™ Wii at No. 2, Wii Fit™ at No.3, and Super Smash Brothers™ Brawl, at No. 4.
* Industry annual revenues jumped 19% in 2008 over 2007, and Nintendo products were responsible for 99% of those additional retail dollars.
* Nintendo DS set another industry record for system sales in any month, with 3.04 million units sold in December.
* Wii broke its own monthly record, set in December 2007, by selling 2.14 million units last month.
* In December, Nintendo titles filled 20 of the top 30 spots on the best-seller list. Six games made for Nintendo systems placed in the top 10, including Wii Music™ for Wii (No. 9), which has now sold 865,000 units following its launch in October 2008, and Mario Kart DS for the Nintendo DS (No. 7), which has sold a total of 4.3 million units 38 months after launch.
* Activision’s Guitar Hero® III: Legends of Rock and Guitar Hero® World Tour, and MTV Games/EA’s* Rock Band Special Edition Bundle all sold more units on Nintendo platforms than any other platforms in 2008.
* More 3rd party units were sold for Wii than any other home consoles in December for the 2nd consecutive month.
* For the year, more than 132 million games were sold in America for play on Nintendo systems.

Dang :lol


Oh and

 

[DrForester]

Nintendo's spin is out. The pie chart is pretty remarkable.

Nintendo: "NPD drives in the knife, we twist it"

 

[YoungHav]

The same BioWare that is now owned be EA. :lol

Is Mass Effect 2 coming to the PS3 or is that an impossibility?

 

[Gaborn]

All, i want to see, how PS3 will be doing at 199-299$/€ price. Somehow, i don`t believe, that PS3 will be doing at that price as bad as x360 is doing(compared to Wii).
Unfortunately time travel are not possible at this time(probably), so all i need to do, is to wait, meanwhile PS3 will continue getting great AA games.

You probably have a long while before the PS3 gets to that point. And even if it DOES start doing better at that price point compared to what the 360 is doing right now... what will that prove? and will it mean anything if the 360 is another $50-$100 cheaper still? Put it this way, in the interim you're going to have months and months of sales before the FIRST price cut, all of which Sony should be behind. Then a bump for at least one, possibly a few more months following the price cut (and for major releases of course).... but basically holding static or losing more ground to the 360. You're also right about the PS3 still getting great games but again... not relevant in a SALES discussion unless we're arguing about the potential effect of those (mostly multiplat) games.

 

[Kenka]

wow, that`s some serious business here...

BUT, afterall, it should be doing like that, as far as i know, Nintendo mostly make it`s money from gaming sector, while Sony/MS have other divisions to care.)

That's almost a new one. A bit of practice and you could be able to e-mail PR to console manufacturers and rack money.

 

[SimpleDesign]

Is Mass Effect 2 coming to the PS3 or is that an impossibility?

It's an unknown, not impossible but not confirmed either since Microsoft is involved.

 

[Stoney Mason]

Wow, even at a minimum investment of $400, SONY managed to sell over 700k PS3's--when they drop the price, they're gonna sell a f*ck-ton of them!

How come half the time there is a ridiculous pro-Sony comment like this, it's from some user who has 10-20 posts in 2-4 years?

Total Posts: 57


Coincidence?

I think not.

 

[APZonerunner]

Is Mass Effect 2 coming to the PS3 or is that an impossibility?

I believe it's a Gears of War situation where MS own a part-stake, so PC/360 only.

 

[perfectchaos007]

No no no guys you're looking at it all wrong. Now Nintendo has money to take more risks by bringing over Japanese games to America. They won't get complacent with bringing only western shovelware to the States

 

[itxaka]

Is Mass Effect 2 coming to the PS3 or is that an impossibility?

Mass effect is so good that it should be released on every hardware out there, even cellphones.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Wow, even at a minimum investment of $400, SONY managed to sell over 700k PS3's--when they drop the price, they're gonna sell a f*ck-ton of them!

Yeah, just like with the GC price drop!!

 

[JonnyBrad]

I see VGCh@rtz very own Sony cheerleader CraazyMan has made it to GAF.

 

[Archie]

The Beatles game will be outsold by GH:5 for sure.

Nah.

 

[SimpleDesign]

No no no guys you're looking at it all wrong. Now Nintendo has money to take more risks by bringing over Japanese games to America. They won't get complacent with bringing only western shovelware to the States

I'm sure they'll start by localizing Mother 3.

 

[Kuramu]

(2 charts)
I'm still confused why every single year, analysts predict that after two years, the third place platform will go to first place despite no other platform doing that, ever.

 

[Tron 2.0]

The Beatles game will be outsold by GH:5 for sure.

I'm kind of burned out on music games, but I will buy The Beatles game and any required peripherals day one at any price. ANY PRICE.

Is Mass Effect 2 coming to the PS3 or is that an impossibility?

I'm fairly confident that after Bioware was acquired Microsoft confirmed that Mass Effect 2 (and 3) would remain 360 exclusives.

But I'm always willing to be proven wrong.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

I see VGCh@rtz very own Sony cheerleader CraazyMan has made it to GAF.

Oh Good times. This calls for some music.

http://www.last.fm/music/Prince/The+Gold+Experience

 

[CrazzyMan]

Hey, I bet you didn't know that the PS3 has already lost Sony all the profits they made with the PS2 and some of the profits they made with the PS1.

Seems sort of .... catastrophic.

FY* == Sony** ====== Nintendo ===== Microsoft
1998 = 974,000,000 === 629,000,000
1999 = 1,130,000,000 == 645,000,000
2000 = 730,000,000 === 421,000,000
2001 = -409,000,000 === 726,000,000
2002 = 623,000,000 === 800,000,000 == -750,000,000
2003 = 939,000,000 === 560,000,000 == -1,191,000,000
2004 = 650,000,000 === 316,000,000 == -1,215,000,000
2005 = 404,000,000 === 777,000,000 == -485,000,000
2006 = 75,000,000 ==== 894,000,000 == -1,262,000,000
2007 = -1,969,000,000 = 1,489,000,000 = -1,892,000,000
2008 = -1,265,000,000 = 2,480,000,000 = 426,000,000
2009 = 51,000,000 ==== 1,026,000,000 = 178,000,000
Totals 1,953,000,000 = 10,762,000,000 = -6,191,000,000

are these wrong numbers?
And it`s not like Sony is not going to get a profit from PS3/PSN/PSP/PS2/Home. =)

 

[Majmun]

Looks more like a troll pic to me. :lol

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Total Posts: 57


Coincidence?

I think not.

I don't get it. If the PS3 is selling half as much at twice the price, that means that 360 is selling double the amount at half the price. So, when the PS3 is at $300 selling 1 million in December, the 360 (Arcade) will be at $150 selling 2. In what reality can the PS3 ever catch up? If/when it ever gets to the 360 price, the install base will be too disparate.

 

[B-Rad Lascelle]

We don't know if the Xbox only chart is listed by revenue, sorry.

I would think it has to be due to the significant presence of the Rock Band games and the absolute lack of Call of Duty 4. (Oh yeah... and Gears 2.)

 

[TJ Spyke]

FY* == Sony** ====== Nintendo ===== Microsoft
1998 = 974,000,000 === 629,000,000
1999 = 1,130,000,000 == 645,000,000
2000 = 730,000,000 === 421,000,000
2001 = -409,000,000 === 726,000,000
2002 = 623,000,000 === 800,000,000 == -750,000,000
2003 = 939,000,000 === 560,000,000 == -1,191,000,000
2004 = 650,000,000 === 316,000,000 == -1,215,000,000
2005 = 404,000,000 === 777,000,000 == -485,000,000
2006 = 75,000,000 ==== 894,000,000 == -1,262,000,000
2007 = -1,969,000,000 = 1,489,000,000 = -1,892,000,000
2008 = -1,265,000,000 = 2,480,000,000 = 426,000,000
2009 = 51,000,000 ==== 1,026,000,000 = 178,000,000
Totals 1,953,000,000 = 10,762,000,000 = -6,191,000,000

are these wrong numbers?
And it`s not like Sony is not going to get a profit from PS3/PSN/PSP/PS2/Home. =)

Interesting that Sony has made $51 million in 14 days.

 

[SimpleDesign]

I'm fairly confident that after Bioware was acquired Microsoft confirmed that Mass Effect 2 (and 3) would remain 360 exclusives.

But I'm always willing to be proven wrong.

No they said that the trilogy will be on the Xbox 360, which was a given. But it's looking like a simultaneous 360/PC release for Mass Effect 2, that said we'll know more in a couple months.

 

[FrankT]

Looks like Rockband 2 for Wii pulled 150k;

The NPD data isn't clear which SKUs are Special Editions and which are the game only. Rock Band 2 on Wii was released right at the tail end of the year and moved just over 150,000 units.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/945/945695p1.html

Got to love that IGN headline. :lol

 

[AwRy108]

Total Posts: 57


Coincidence?

I think not.

Excuse me? So relatively new users can't contribute their opinions without being ridiculed? A what point did my brief comment hurt your feelings enough to make you lash out?

Apparently you just can't handle the fact that your not the only forum user who gets to partake in free speech.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

I don't get it. If the PS3 is selling half as much at twice the price, that means that 360 is selling double the amount at half the price. So, when the PS3 is at $300 selling 1 million in December, the 360 (Arcade) will be at $150 selling 2. In what reality can the PS3 ever catch up? If/when it ever gets to the 360 price, the install base will be too disparate.

This is what bugs me the most.
I don't care to see doom & gloom and everyone run around like headless chickens. I just want to see a reasonable scenario where the PS3 could overtake the 360. To date I have yet to see one. It's either a repeat of the party line or relying on some crazy nebulous thing, or worse still simply falling back on "everyone's just waiting for a price drop."

Throw in a bunch of looney toon characters like Hoffman and so on and I'm at the end of my rope.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Looks like Rockband 2 for Wii pulled 150k;



http://ps2.ign.com/articles/945/945695p1.html

Got to love that IGN headline. :lol

Rock Band Wii sold over a million units last year. Hot damn.

Another third-party million seller on Wii. It really does sell a ton of software under the radar.

 

[Arde5643]

Excuse me? So relatively new users can't contribute their opinions without being ridiculed? A what point did my brief comment hurt your feelings enough to make you lash out?

Apparently you just can't handle the fact that your not the only forum user who gets to partake in free speech.

Ha. Ha. Ha. No seriously, I wish I have that Nelson "ha. ha. ha." gif now.

 

[Kifimbo]

Looks like Rockband 2 for Wii pulled 150k;

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/945/945695p1.html

Got to love that IGN headline. :lol

Wow that's some bitter comment.