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[Hcoregamer00]

Better line-up, cheaper price, higher blu-ray adoption, profitable 3rd party games, KILLZONE 2, all this awaits the PS3 in 2009 and beyond...

UGH, all this Killzone WHORING is pushing me away from the game.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Made by Nintendo?

 

[neight]

UGH, all this Killzone WHORING is pushing me away from the game.

Constantly whoring a game can get disgusting doesn't it?

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Valve must be happy with the L4D sales on 360. Awesome, it deserves it too.

 

[Pureauthor]

UGH, all this Killzone WHORING is pushing me away from the game.

You never struck me as the type to get interested in FPSes anyway...

Especially since there's no playable females. Or did I miss someone?

 

[harSon]

PS3 is winning many territories in PAL except England. If you look at software numbers for Germany and Spain, there are an awful lot of PS3 titles at the top. Throw in Japan... Throw in Korea... I promise it is closer than you think.

To declare "Wrong" is ill informed.

The Playstation 3's sales in Japan for the year don't even compensate for the gap between it and the 360 in this months NPD. Korea isn't relevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Bulla564]

Of course, the affect your belief has on the market is but a drop in a barrel. However, what isn't subjective is that thus far consumers have voted with their wallets that they massively prefer the Wii.

Our discussion is about quality of the line-up right? Don't infer that an objective measure of that is what consumers buy a lot, ESPECIALLY on the Wii.

Well, every single month we can see that millions more leave the sidelines and enter the Wii/X360/handheld camp instead. And statistically speaking it is very unlikely for people to own more than one console. So every month until the fabled pricedrop is a loss for Sony.

Sony has seen a gain, year over year, and an electronics manufacturer knows full well the effects of price, competition, and the market. Are you telling me people are not waiting for a $300 PS3 to enjoy the entire generation of exclusives? Are you telling me sales won't increase with a price drop?

'Best selling Blu-Ray player' is hardly something to be proud of. Especially when the 'best-selling Blu-Ray player' doesn't even managed 800K during December.

HURR HURR DURRRR good one.

That's great. This, however, is a Sales-Age thread.

Discussing the viability of the highest priced, subjectively better gaming machine of the generation. This case has never been seen before, and many are ignorant enough to see it all in black and white. It's not doom and gloom for the ast place console, like in past generations.

 

[Stumpokapow]

And who in blazes is Hyrb?

I think he was calling you a 360 fanboy, referring to 360 PR guy MajorNelson, whose real name is Larry Hryb (not Hyrb, note).

... which is funny, because you don't own a 360 and you don't seem to like consoles all that much, really.

 

[Nocebo]

Better line-up, cheaper price, higher blu-ray adoption, profitable 3rd party games, KILLZONE 2, all this awaits the PS3 in 2009 and beyond...

It's not like the GC AT ALL...

I hear this "Killzone 2" thing get thrown around a lot. What is it exactly? Is it a peripheral that somehow turns the ps3 into a wii?

 

[Jaruru]

So are these reasonable estimates (using historical data, extrapolation, and logic) for the end of 2011 for the three systems...?

Wii = 100 million+
360 = 55 million+
PS3 = 40 million+

If so, then I'd say that's the biggest generation of all time and all three systems would have made some money and provided nice entertainment for their owners.

would have made some money? maybe not the Sony PS3. the day to break even their production cost is foreseeable. but definitely not if they minus the loss from making the PS3 from their 'profit from the future'

 

[gofreak]

It's not just about exclusive DLC, it's about big franchises, that's why Microsoft often was paying for exclusive advertising of 3rd party games when it felt it would be good to inform people of their presence. You can ignore it all you want, but first games people play on their HD consoles are Call of Duty or Guitar Hero, not Resistance or Gears of War.

That's not something I'm ignoring at all, it's totally true..both platform holders engage in this activity ('exclusive marketing').

Also, side note, but..360's lead upon PS3's release was only 6m? I thought it was something like 8-10m? Or was I giving MS's numbers too much credit at the time?

What was its lead at year's end last year?

 

[Pureauthor]

I think he was calling you a 360 fanboy, referring to 360 PR guy MajorNelson, whose real name is Larry Hryb (not Hyrb, note).

... which is funny, because you don't own a 360 and you don't seem to like consoles all that much, really.

I put up with consoles if they have sufficient games I want.

 

[Balb]

I hear this "Killzone 2" thing get thrown around a lot. What is it exactly? Is it a peripheral that somehow turns the ps3 into a wii?

It's the game Sony refuses to market correctly.

 

[WretchedTruman]

UGH, all this Killzone WHORING is pushing me away from the game.

:lol People are insanely excited for the game, grow up and deal with it.

 

[Dabookerman]

You mentioned Sonic Adventure 2.. but do not name: Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX and Viewtiful Joe.

 

[Psychotext]

Are you telling me people are not waiting for a $300 PS3 to enjoy the entire generation of exclusives?

Of course there are, but as time goes by they'll lose more and more people who get tired of waiting and decide to grab one of the competition's consoles. People aren't indefinitely patient or loyal.

 

[ZealousD]

Yeah, I wasn't expecting the Wii to do gangbusters like so many people were expecting. The shipments simply were not there. You guys would have seen it coming too if you paid attention to the musings thread!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14080933&postcount=94
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14150888&postcount=139

 

[Grecco]

You mentioned Sonic Adventure 2.. but do not name: Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX and Viewtiful Joe.

Third party games that sold well on Cube.

 

[szaromir]

Also, side note, but..360's lead upon PS3's release was only 6m? I thought it was something like 8-10m? Or was I giving MS's numbers too much credit at the time?

What was its lead at year's end last year?

They had shipped 10.4M consoles until January 1st, 2007. However, keep in mind that it's a shipped number, PS3 launched around 10th November 2006 (with 1.1M 360s sold in December 2006) and 360 was likely significantly overstocked as they shipped only 1.2M units in the next six months IIRC. So the actual lead was likely less than 8M consoles.

 

[Dabookerman]

Third party games that sold well on Cube.

Tales sold well o_o?

 

[Balb]

Tales sold well o_o?

I don't know how much it sold but it became a Player's Choice game.

 

[DMeisterJ]

UGH, all this Killzone WHORING is pushing me away from the game.

While I do feel like the hype for the game is reaching epic proportions, and it will ultimately not live up to the hype for this reason alone, it will still be a FUCK AWESOME game, and you shouldn't choose to not enjoy the game just because lots of people believe it will save the PS3 or anything like that.

The smart ones understand that the PS3 is, and will always be in third place, and are extremely content enjoying the flow of content that is coming to the system in 2009 and beyond (no list here, lol). Just enjoy KZ2, don't let the hyper-s push you away from the game (That's a first though, overhyping pushing people away xD)

 

[markatisu]

I don't know how much it sold but it became a Player's Choice game.

Players Choice was 250k and above so I would say it sold pretty well

 

[Stoney Mason]

:lol People are insanely excited for the game, grow up and deal with it.

And you picked the right word. We'll see if the sales numbers back up the hype. As I've said before I don't come down on either side of the Killzone 2 argument other than to agree Killzone fans on gaf are pretty annoying.

 

[Grecco]

Tales sold well o_o?

On the Cube? Yes.

 

[jj984jj]

Tales sold well o_o?

Better than any since.

P.S. That post lacks Monkey Ball representation.

 

[Pureauthor]

Our discussion is about quality of the line-up right? Don't infer that an objective measure of that is what consumers buy a lot, ESPECIALLY on the Wii.

No, it's not. It's about the selling power of the games and how likely they are to affect the system's fortunes.

Sony has seen a gain, year over year, and an electronics manufacturer knows full well the effects of price, competition, and the market. Are you telling me people are not waiting for a $300 PS3 to enjoy the entire generation of exclusives? Are you telling me sales won't increase with a price drop?

A 38% increase, translating to an overall increase of approx. 1 million units, is a pathetic gain for almost any console YoY. Especially when you consider the late 2007 pricedrop, which did create a boost in PS3 prices. Until that boost faded, of course, whereupon it started selling worse than the same month of the previous year.

And yes, I am telling you that people are not going to wait for an (insert price here) (insert losing game system) so they can enjoy (insert list of exclusive games here). No generation before worked like that, and there is no call to assume that this generation will.

HURR HURR DURRRR good one.

I take it you cannot refute this point.

Discussing the viability of the highest priced, subjectively better gaming machine of the generation. This case has never been seen before, and many are ignorant enough to see it all in black and white. It's not doom and gloom for the ast place console, like in past generations.

Being 'last place' does not consign you to doom and gloom.

Having crappy hardware sales, middling software sales, and a massively negative perception most certainly does though. The PS3 happens to fit that criteria.

 

[Deku]

And you picked the right word. We'll see if the sales numbers back up the hype. As I've said before I don't come down on either side of the Killzone 2 argument other than to agree Killzone fans on gaf are pretty annoying.

It won't.

As an aside, I'd comment this sort of far-right divide and conquer style slicing and dicing posters as Sales-Agers who care only about sales, and 'Gamers' who apparently are unrestrained by mere logic and can spew whatever garbage theory they can without having to back any of it up, reflects the steady decline in sanity among some posters here.

 

[TJ Spyke]

and 360 was likely significantly overstocked as they shipped only 1.2M units in the next six months IIRC.

Closer to 500K actually.

 

[Orin GA]

Better line-up, cheaper price, higher blu-ray adoption, profitable 3rd party games, KILLZONE 2, all this awaits the PS3 in 2009 and beyond...

It's not like the GC AT ALL...

So this is...the year of PS3?

 

[Bulla564]

I hear this "Killzone 2" thing get thrown around a lot. What is it exactly? Is it a peripheral that somehow turns the ps3 into a wii?

God forbid...

Of course there are, but as time goes by they'll lose more and more people who get tired of waiting and decide to grab one of the competition's consoles. People aren't indefinitely patient or loyal.

My argument is that PS3's perception of value will increase even more throughout 2009. Unless there is a proportionate price cut for the Wii and X360, the line-up of the PS3 will continue to look better than the competition, and a lower price-point will help it also.

 

[freddy]

:lol People are insanely excited for the game, grow up and deal with it.

It looks like really good game but I'd rather the 25 mb gifs not infest threads that aren't really relevant to it at the moment.

 

[Deku]

My argument is that PS3's perception of value will increase even more throughout 2009. Unless there is a proportionate price cut for the Wii and X360, the line-up of the PS3 will continue to look better than the competition, and a lower price-point will help it also.

Fantasy console league.

 

[gofreak]

They had shipped 10.4M consoles until January 1st, 2007. However, keep in mind that it's a shipped number, PS3 launched around 10th November 2006 (with 1.1M 360s sold in December 2006) and 360 was likely significantly overstocked as they shipped only 1.2M units in the next six months IIRC. So the actual lead was likely less than 8M consoles.

OK, I'm beginning to recall that now..

Do we know where things stood this time last year? What the gap was?

 

[Stoney Mason]

My argument is that PS3's perception of value will increase even more throughout 2009. Unless there is a proportionate price cut for the Wii and X360, the line-up of the PS3 will continue to look better than the competition, and a lower price-point will help it also.

And I always ask when has the "value" of a console based on a hardware feature set ever mattered in consoles.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

My argument is that PS3's perception of value will increase even more throughout 2009. Unless there is a proportionate price cut for the Wii and X360, the line-up of the PS3 will continue to look better than the competition, and a lower price-point will help it also.

That's a big unless, and relying on subjectives like a line-up "looking better" especially in comparing the 360 and PS3 is tenuous at best.

 

[Francias Castiglione]

Have you decided who won yet?

 

[Pureauthor]

Have you decided who won yet?

DS. System of the generation, handheld of the forever! BOOYAH

 

[manueldelalas]

My argument is that PS3's perception of value will increase even more throughout 2009. Unless there is a proportionate price cut for the Wii and X360, the line-up of the PS3 will continue to look better than the competition, and a lower price-point will help it also.

Dare I ask... What lineup?? there is a hyped sequel to a disappointing PS2 FPS, and sequels to genres the PS3 is flooded with right now.

Or are people really expecting that FF XIII, GoW 3, FF XIII vs (I don't think this will do well in the US...) and GT5 (now, this is a real system seller, sadly the game will come out too late) to get 2009 releases??

I mean, of those games, the only one I see moving consoles is GT5 and the creator nearly confirmed that it won't see a 2009 release in one of his interviews...

DS. System of the generation, handheld of the forever! BOOYAH

.

 

[Balb]

DS. System of the generation, handheld of the forever! BOOYAH

I think it's pretty close to the GBA. It's a combination of a SNES with its own line of awesome games. Though, if you consider the fact that the DS can play GBA games, it's a powerhouse.

 

[Branduil]

Oh gosh, so "wait for Killzone 2" is the new rallying cry?

 

[Jaded Alyx]

It's the game Sony refuses to market correctly.

It's the Sony fanboy equivalent of the bubonic plague.

Spreading through GAF.


Infecting us all.

 

[Johann]

God forbid...



My argument is that PS3's perception of value will increase even more throughout 2009. Unless there is a proportionate price cut for the Wii and X360, the line-up of the PS3 will continue to look better than the competition, and a lower price-point will help it also.

By any chance, are you the guy from Gamefaqs who said you were 12 (below GFAQs' 13 requirement) and got banned in an absolutely hilarious fashion?

 

[MiamiWesker]

Has there been any new numbers released other than the top ten?

 

[Barrett2]

Has there been any new numbers released other than the top ten?

All your favorite games sold poorly.

 

[Francias Castiglione]

DS. System of the generation, handheld of the forever! BOOYAH

The only one I don't own is the winner?!! BOLLOCKS!!!!

 

[Bulla564]

No, it's not. It's about the selling power of the games and how likely they are to affect the system's fortunes.

It IS about the quality of the line-up, and in the PS3's case, since there is no Wii Sports or Gears, it's about the entire line-up. In quality and blockbusters, my money is on the PS3 for this year, as for announced games so far. The overall line-up has kept this $400 console afloat, and will continue to improve its sales.

A 38% increase, translating to an overall increase of approx. 1 million units, is a pathetic gain for almost any console YoY.

Which means despite the price, people are not all flocking to the Wii/X360. Thanks for providing the actual number for PS3's growth YoY.

And yes, I am telling you that people are not going to wait for an (insert price here) (insert losing game system) so they can enjoy (insert list of exclusive games here). No generation before worked like that, and there is no call to assume that this generation will.

As far as I know till recently a shit ton of people jumped in and bought a PS2... how do you explain that? did they wait for a (insert price here) to get a (insert GREAT game system) so they can enjoy (insert list of exclusive games here)??? No?

I take it you cannot refute this point.

By all means, if you have a good reference point of how much the "best blu-ray player" should be selling at this point in the format's lifetime, indulge us. Until then, your snarky mockery over 800k comes off as idiotic.

Being 'last place' does not consign you to doom and gloom.

Welcome to GAF.

Having crappy hardware sales, middling software sales, and a massively negative perception most certainly does though. The PS3 happens to fit that criteria.

You mean a dwindling negative perception (completely related to price vs the competition), a reliable source of income for 3rd parties, and a better outlook for 2009... sorry kido... we are not in 2006.

And I always ask when has the "value" of a console based on a hardware feature set ever mattered in consoles.

When a DVD player was included in the PS2.

 

[Esch]

Well, it's time to start getting it together Sony.

An NA KZ2 bundle would probably be a better idea than the rest of their bundled stuff on the market.

 

[MiamiWesker]

All your favorite games sold poorly.

:lol They probably did...

 

[TheGrayGhost]

It's not doom and gloom for the ast place console, like in past generations.

Yup... it's far worse.