NPD Sales Results for December 2008
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Kasumi1970
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Fanboys like him make me sick and I am seeing it from the sony camp a lot lately. Not so much from the MS or Nintendo camp.le.phat said:
Evlar said:
Then look at all the third party games. It's no great secret that PS3 third parties have ahd better success on PS3 than Wii selling titles. Besides Rayman Raving Rabbids(first one) and Carnival games, what else has sold amazingly well compared to Nintendo's own lineup?
Hellsing321
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God is totally a Wii fanboy.DevelopmentArrested said:
Pureauthor
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Kasumi1970 said:
It'll affect whichever camp is forced to defend a position that is undefendable.
In a war, when lives are on the line, we call it heroic. When what's at stake are videogame consoles, we call it pathetic.
Pureauthor
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Hellsing321 said:
Nah. God's been shown to like voice-activated control systems. That means out of all the systems right now, He likes the DS the most. He's waiting for a real contender, though.
You're just re-stating your conclusion as evidence. Doesn't work like that. If PS3 third-party software in aggregate outsells Wii third-party software in aggregate then it IS a great secret: Most of the data you would need to prove out that assertion is hidden behind the legal veil of NPD secrecy. The only other evidence we might have is reports from the developers and manufacturers themselves.AFreak said:
EDIT: Or the third alternative is NPD releasing a report on this very subject, which I guess they did.
Psychotext
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That reminds me of that phrase I've seen floating around here lately... something like "reality is well known for its anti PS3 bias".Hellsing321 said:
AFreak said:
1. NonsensicalityAFreak said:
PS3 third parties sell better on the PS3 than on the Wii? Now that's a surprise.
2. Irrelevance
Third parties don't have to beat Nintendo to sell well on the Wii.
3. Fractal wrongness
It's wrong at every single level of resolutions that third parties enjoy better sales on the PS3 than on the Wii. See Weisheit's chart.
You might want to go back to the first post of this thread. Guitar Hero (World Tour in this case, but it's not like it's alone) is not a first-party Wii game.AFreak said:
Weisheit said:It's not even close:
Try again please.
That's an interesting chart, and pretty much says what the userbase sizes would suggest..
By month 12 (of PS3/Wii's life), PS3 did 5,000,000 to 360's 15,000,000. A year later, it was 25,000,000 to 360's 35,000,000.
Same absolute gap, but the relative gap is shrinking..
So yeah it's a bit 'well duh', but it's interesting to see that in the US alone..cos I figured it would perhaps only be very clear if you looked at the global situation overall.
manueldelalas
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AFreak said:
I don't know how you got the Wii involved, but for third parties it is not even a contest:
Rayman 1, 2 3
Rockband 1, 2 (will surpass combined RB2 sales, watch it)
Red Steel
We Ski
RE 4, Umbrella
Mario & Sonic (3rd party)
Sonic Rings
Guitar Hero 3, WT
Carnival Games
Deca Sporta
If you watch PS3 third party games that sold well, you'll notice how ALL of them are big budget projects, and when comparing to the Wii 3rd party sellers, which are games with a MUCH lower budget, you can guess:
Big budget game + big sales == profit
Low budget games + big sales == a lot of profit.
And before you start, low budget =/= bad game.
I also wouldn't be the least surprised if Rockband and Guitar Hero games start appearing first on the Wii and have exclusive versions.
And yes, I'll go as far as to say that 3rd party games are making a lot more profit on the Wii than on the PS3.
Hawk269
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Shurs said:
That is not what I am saying. Put into this perspective....if you were a developer or more truthly a publisher because they make the financial decisions, which platform would you base your games off of? Were talking hi-def gaming here, not Wii shit.
That is the point. Yes, we know that the userbase is less, but in these financial times, when one version sells close to 1million more than the other version, I know where I would place my investments into.
WretchedTruman
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you should also take into consideration the sheer number of third party titles on the Wii, no matter how mundane or insignificant they may be.Weisheit said:It's not even close:
Try again please.
If this chart reflected the real world situation, do you really think many third parties would even be bothering with the PS3 at this point?
Take a look at the software charts over the past year and it'll become clear that only a handful of third parties are having success with the Wii that's even remotely comparable to Nintendo's own efforts with their console...Activision and their success with Guitar Hero falling into that subcategory, obviously.
The difference is that even a "failure" on the Wii would classify as a "modest success" on it's HD counterparts.
Pureauthor
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WretchedTruman said:
The 'real world' situation is that many 3rd parties are simply porting their X360 games to the PS3 for a few more bucks. (And then there're those who break exclusivity to get access to the X360 userbase...)
Stumpokapow
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le.phat said:
but he's still not a creationist, so that's a pretty big leg up.
Evlar said:
It's plain dumb to think that millions of new DS owners wouldn't buy a very popular game on their new system. Mario kart is sold out on the Wii so buy it for the DS.
Am I wrong in remembering that Game Over was a very anti Nintendo book? Wasn't it written during a time when the fear was Japan was taking over techology?
Pureauthor
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Stumpokapow said:
1. For every PS3 third party title that actually performs well (Assasin's Creed, GTA IV, Call of Duty: World at War), there's numerous other third party Wii games that perform as well or better in terms of budget, profit, and sales. Look at EVERY sports game's sales that "fits" the Wii Remote well, like a baseball or tennis game. Look at EVERY licensed game from Spongebob to Harry Potter. Look at EVERY DDR that's out there or other music/band spin-off.
2. Just because third parties numbers look paltry in comparison to Nintendo's on the Wii doesn't mean jack shit. Sales need to be looked at in absolute terms. Something could sell as "well" as Motorstorm did when bundled and put up three million copies on PS3. How does selling three million on Wii (which every Guitar Hero game has done so far worldwide) look like any less of a feat just because there's games like Mario Kart Wii, SSBB, Wii Fit, Wii Play, and Wii Sports doing north of eight million or ten million each?
2. Just because third parties numbers look paltry in comparison to Nintendo's on the Wii doesn't mean jack shit. Sales need to be looked at in absolute terms. Something could sell as "well" as Motorstorm did when bundled and put up three million copies on PS3. How does selling three million on Wii (which every Guitar Hero game has done so far worldwide) look like any less of a feat just because there's games like Mario Kart Wii, SSBB, Wii Fit, Wii Play, and Wii Sports doing north of eight million or ten million each?
gofreak said:
That's why I was so intrigued by Sony stating Dec 08 was one of their best software months ever. YoY 2008 hardware sales were up 40% yet Dec 07 was a better software month. IMO Sony first party titles probably held a greater percentage of 2008 sales as well (R2, LBP, M2 vs Uncharted.) I need to go back and reread the literature, but I'm wondering why Sony didn't mention that either. YoY in general of course 3rd party sales were way up no doubt tent poled (in my pants) by MGS4 and GTA4.
Pureauthor
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Hum.
yellowjacket
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lawblob said:
This is very true. But then again Xbox 360 owners should accept it also. The Wii has destroyed all competitors in this race. I really wish we could just say that the Wii is first, 360 second, PS3 is third and we can end all of this stupid console wars bullshit. Does anyone really care if the PS3 fights back and takes second place? Does it really matter? The PS3 is not going to lose very much third party support this generation so the argument is completely useless at this point.
Cheesemeister
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yellowjacket said:
What I have recorded for LTDs since Nov. 2005...
[WII] 17,540,370
[360] 13,886,381
[PS3] 6,788,924
Mindlog said:
It wasn't. I tried to clear that up last night, if you can check my posts from after you originally asked the question. The guy who responded to you was giving you hardware comparisons when you asked for software comparisons. Dec-08 is the PS3's biggest month for total software in the U.S. to date.
PepsimanVsJoe
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I think it's already been well established where the rankings are going to fall.
I'm just here for the software sales now.
I'm just here for the software sales now.
yellowjacket
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Cheesemeister said:
I already knew those numbers so im not sure what the point is.
tfur
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donny2112 said:Estimated
Wow...
It really is a testimonial to how good the Microsoft marketing and PR handlers are, when you consider these charts. The two HD consoles sold the approximately the same globally this year, but one is singled out and given the "doomed" designation. Of course, it is also a testimonial to how poor Sony marketing and PR handlers are as well...
It seems like many are chest thumping about a few hundred thousand difference, while difference between the Wii and either HD console is ~13 million difference YTD.
Just talking about the numbers... not the history, expectations, intended sales, desires, price, specific markets, etc...
I mean just take a step back and look at that...
Wii YTD: 23.0 million
360 YTD: 9.9 million
PS3 YTD: 9.2 million
In reality, the Wii is in first class, sipping champagne, while the x360 and ps3 are fighting for a window seat in coach. No, the Wii is traveling by private jet, while the 360/PS3 are 2 kids fighting in the back seat of a station wagon.
I think a price drop from Sony in April at $299 would really damage 360's current momentum since the price drop last fall. Overall, I think if MS was smart they would release a pstwo type new hardware model for '09. Hell, they are 4 years into the life cycle, this would really give them a rush of momentum that could offset Sony's more aggressive pricing.
I also think next holiday they should have a mature themed bundle to go along with their kiddie pack of Indy/KFP variation. A Halo 3 pack in would have been huge, a Halo3/Gears 1 pack would have been colossal.
I also think next holiday they should have a mature themed bundle to go along with their kiddie pack of Indy/KFP variation. A Halo 3 pack in would have been huge, a Halo3/Gears 1 pack would have been colossal.
Cheesemeister
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yellowjacket said:
For those who don't know, the people you were complaining about.
Masklinn said:
It's viewed as the more expensive cousin. Get it right. If that's what you mean by inferior, then I guess you are right.
donny2112 said:
I'll concede that the Wii is enjoying the mass market shovelware that the PS2 enjoyed, and that the PS3 will never have.
LCfiner said:
Kasumi1970 said:
If it makes you feel better, I'll be thinking of you while I play KILLZONE 2
DevelopmentArrested said:
As a bleading-heart liberal who is a non-practicing catholic, I don't talk to God THAT much...
Pureauthor said:
I guess many people see a $400 console atrocious. Many won't after a price cut.
Pureauthor said:
MS's price cut was the thing that changed the situation. You could argue the same thing as to why the X360 did good in the holidays.
Pureauthor said:
This is an argument where you are shooting blanks. You don't have any hard facts to base your assumptions on.
Pureauthor said:
That's my point. Any info on the next Halo yet?
Pureauthor said:
I can give you a crash-course in microeconomics, but I'll just use my little crystal ball to predict a price-cut in the PS3's future, and big-name games being released, leading to a rise in its fortunes. There.
Bulla564
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Kill Your Masters
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Wow, Bulla is giving this thread life again.
Weisheit said:It's not even close:
Try again please.
thanks so much for this chart. many ppl mix up the user base adapting % and the real # of games sold.
let's just compare, 10% of 10million >>> 50% of 1million. ppl pls just stop whining, dev looks at the game [selling figure and the $ they make]. not the [num selling / num consoles sold].
WretchedTruman
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I suppose it doesn't, but that's a bit of an oddity if 360's third parties are enjoying sales that are head and shoulders with MS' own efforts and, in Sony's case, often eclipsing them entirely.donny2112 said:
I reiterate: It's not hard to have a third party Wii title pull it's own weight in the long run, given the size of the user base.
That said, until we start seeing a bit of variety in the NPD software charts, I'm gonna go on a dangerous limb (or it may just be common sense) and say that many third parties find a 360/PS3 title more attractive than taking a stab into the Wii front.
Of course, it's not like publishers really have much to lose if their little Wii title doesn't set the charts on fire, given how little fucking effort they often put into it...Ubisoft.
Pureauthor
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Bulla564 said:
How many? And why would they choose the PS3 over the X360? What are the game that will push the decision? Why will those games push the decision?
Enh. 1.5 million isn't really good either.
Yes. I have no hard facts. What I have, however, is an assumption for the best scenario possible insofar as the Blu-Ray's aid to the PS3 is concerned, and it is still not good at all.
Your point is that the X360 is running circles around the Ps3 in software sales? How long in advance did we know about Gears 2 before it came out?
Details. Do you understand the word?
One of them also sold less this december than the previous one, and was outsold 2:1 this time around.tfur said:
Well ok, more precisely it's seen as the same thing with less game and a much bigger price tag.Bulla564 said:
In other words, inferior.
You don't need to. You don't have one, and ID is creationism rebranded. And not science.Bulla564 said:
It's not, Nintendo is in a completely different league than MS and Sony on every metric you can count.WretchedTruman said:
WretchedTruman
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And would leave them with zero momentum come holiday '09. It's a very short term solution. Better that they split it up into a number of smaller price drops and SKU bundles over the year.snatches said:
Regulus Tera
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gofreak said:A pool full of wonderful, wonderful games
I think most reasonably thinking people can see where GC analogies fall apart. They're situations - mostly because of the overall situation - are very different.
But the GCN had a pool full of wonderful, wonderful games too. :/
Son of Godzilla
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I'm not sure they care much about the sales numbers from a year ago though either.Jaruru said:
WretchedTruman
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The "Sony have no money" ordeal has been inflated to sensationalistic proportions. Can't we just all agree that shareholders are fickle assholes and they wouldn't be happy?Masklinn said:
Masklinn said:
For a change? I make one post that suggests the PS3 tried to do something innovative this gen and now I'm a blathering Sony zealot?
Anyways, you already answered your own question. The PS3 tried to introduce two interesting hardware innovations into a mass market consumer electronics device for the first time. 1) Cell architecture and 2) Blu Ray. My whole point was that with Sony failing to lead this generation, and so far losing tons of money, executives are going to be scared to make similar investments. Why try to push storage? Why try to push console architecture? The ROI isn't there. As a consumer, I want innovation and companies to make big bets on new ideas.
We could debate what constitutes evolution vs. innovation until the cows come home. You say that the Wii's motion sensing peripheral is the only example of innovation this gen. Well, one could argue that the Wiimote is simply the evolution of a device that's been around since the first NES. I did after all kill ducks on my NES by pointing a plastic gun at my screen. Similarly, one could say that the PS3 is more evolution than innovation.