d+pad said:
Yes, job + wife. You can build a gaming PC for pretty cheap although I didn't skimp myself.
edit: for my full thoughts/discussion on this ideal, it's all pretty well explicated here-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218741
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NPD Sales Results for December 2008
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Yes, job + wife. You can build a gaming PC for pretty cheap although I didn't skimp myself.
edit: for my full thoughts/discussion on this ideal, it's all pretty well explicated here-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218741
Great new information. Some more observations:
1) Prince of Persia did indeed do very poorly. It likely still sold >200k across both platforms, but for Ubisoft's big budget holiday release, that's dramatically below expectations, I'm sure. They have no Assassin's Creed this year.
2) As a side note to the above point, have there been any succesful cel shaded games on the PS3/360 yet? I can't think of one, but I'd be interested to see if someone could find one.
3) Call of Duty Wii and Shaun White Snowboarding enter the top 20 in their second month. Wii games do indeed have legs, and it makes tracking the software sales much more difficult. Things are so much easier when the big games all show up in the top 10 in the first month and do ~50% of their LTD.
4) Only 1 PS3 game in the top 20, and 2 games for the Playstation "family." I agree with GoFreak that this is still better software sales than, say, June, but that's not really the metric Christmas sales go by. It would be a bit like saying Christmas sales are up 40% over August sales: while that is technically an increase, realistically that's a much smaller increase than one would expect for a Holiday month and should be considered very disappointing.
5) Using the top 20 and the information provided by Nintendo's PR, we can deduce that 7 of the 10 games in the 21-30 bracket are on the Wii and DS.
1) Prince of Persia did indeed do very poorly. It likely still sold >200k across both platforms, but for Ubisoft's big budget holiday release, that's dramatically below expectations, I'm sure. They have no Assassin's Creed this year.
2) As a side note to the above point, have there been any succesful cel shaded games on the PS3/360 yet? I can't think of one, but I'd be interested to see if someone could find one.
3) Call of Duty Wii and Shaun White Snowboarding enter the top 20 in their second month. Wii games do indeed have legs, and it makes tracking the software sales much more difficult. Things are so much easier when the big games all show up in the top 10 in the first month and do ~50% of their LTD.
4) Only 1 PS3 game in the top 20, and 2 games for the Playstation "family." I agree with GoFreak that this is still better software sales than, say, June, but that's not really the metric Christmas sales go by. It would be a bit like saying Christmas sales are up 40% over August sales: while that is technically an increase, realistically that's a much smaller increase than one would expect for a Holiday month and should be considered very disappointing.
5) Using the top 20 and the information provided by Nintendo's PR, we can deduce that 7 of the 10 games in the 21-30 bracket are on the Wii and DS.
Opiate said:
I, personally, have never read a post where someone claimed that mini-game type compilations don't sell on the Wii. Unless I'm just totally missing these posts, this would be an example of a strawman argument.
Now what I have read is that Wii owners want more than just mini-game compilations. Maybe that's where the confusion is coming in.
titiklabingapat
Member
That's how good he is.Branduil said:
Damn.
titiklabingapat said:
I'm not so sure about that, but that is only because of the economic conditions. If they had 4 million could they have sold them all, maybe, maybe not. Even NPD went on to say earlier this week if it were not for the recession gaming would have had a much better holiday season no doubt it. That is really the only variable I can reasonably think of however.
John Dunbar said:
Tis not good. Not good at all, and especially so with the decline of the PS2 as a fallback either.
Kobun Heat
Member
No, that's pretty much what would have happened. December's numbers are generally twice November's.Jtyettis said:
test_account
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Good/great sales all around, at least in my opinion! 
And especially amazing that the DS sold over 3 million units in one month! The biggest suprise for me about these numbers is how Left 4 Dead sold. It is great to see that this game increased in sales compared to how it did in November!
And especially amazing that the DS sold over 3 million units in one month! The biggest suprise for me about these numbers is how Left 4 Dead sold. It is great to see that this game increased in sales compared to how it did in November! I was about to ask about this, thanks!Raw64life said:
donny2112 said:
I'm not sure I've seen it said in exactly such words, either, but I have seen it implied. For example, people chide Ubisoft for their constant minigame compilations, and consistently point out how poorly they've sold.
A reasonable person can point out that the general attempt by Ubisoft is not a stupid one: these types of games sell on the Wii, and thus they're trying to make more. Furthermore, while Ubisoft's games in particular haven't been extremely succesful on the Wii, they HAVE been on the DS, with their string of Imagine and Training games equaling nearly 2/5 of all their revenue last quarter, doubling any other platform.
Now, if the objection is purely to the quality of these minigame compilations, that is an understandable complaint. That isn't what I've inferred, however.
Edit: And as I said in another post, Donny, I absolutely agree that games other than minigame compilations are warranted. Arguing that minigame compilations have their place does not automatically imply that other games do not have a place. I'm sure some disingenuous people may try to imply as such, but I'd hope you would assume I'm beyond such pettiness. I certainly expect as much from your posts at this point.
Shaun White Wii sold 103k last month and since it came in higher than RB2 which sold ~150k that means its between 250-300k (for those tracking LTD)
I doubt we would have seen a second Naruto on 360 by Ubisoft Montreal if the first wasn't semi-successful for them.
Well with Shaun White Wii at 150k+ that sets a nice floorboard for the top 20. Fallout 3 (360) likely close to 1 million in the US now. Does anyone know where Oblivion (360) ended up around in the US?
I wish we could full top 20 numbers this month.
Well with Shaun White Wii at 150k+ that sets a nice floorboard for the top 20. Fallout 3 (360) likely close to 1 million in the US now. Does anyone know where Oblivion (360) ended up around in the US?
I wish we could full top 20 numbers this month.
I think the recession is biting into hardware sales but this fact is partially obscured. DS broke the PS2 record for that reason. Wii was hard up against its NA quota as usual, so it's hard to diagnose. 360 did very well but (as far as I know) we don't have a breakdown of sales amongst the SKUs to see if the bulk of sales were at the $199 or $299 price points. Does anyone have a hint of the performance of the 360 Arcade? PS3 is an obvious victim.
Grecco said:they have "I AM ALIVE" this year. A First Person Disaster Survival Game. Which will probably be as successful as Mirrors Edge. (And I love ME
Sorry for the confusion: by "this year" I technically meant "last year," as in 08. Which is to say, Ubisoft had Assassin's Creed for the Holidays in 07, which we know went on to sell more than 6 Million combined at last count. For the Holidays of 08, they may have no game that sells even 1 million combined, and that's quite a steep drop off.
Next year absolutely could be different, I'm not suggesting Ubisoft is in trouble. They are, in fact, one of the most robustly situation western third parties right now. I'm just saying they were relatively unusuccesful in this holiday in particular.
Pennywise83
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Opiate said:
In which part of the PR? Can you link the source, please?
well, a large issue i see with the spamming of minigame compilations is that those types of games are typically bought at different rates than other games, as in one minigame fest will last someone dozens of months and still remain fresh, so while these types of games do have a place, they typically have a much smaller place (per gamer capita) than other types of games and therefore is much more prone to oversaturation. this is the primary problem with the idea that all Wii gamers want is minigames and the like. the market oversaturates stupendously and the law of shrinking return goes into full effect. this is why there's only one Mario Party game this generation. this market is already oversaturated. best go to pastures upstream.Opiate said:
Jtyettis said:
Yes, Crackdown was very succesful, was it not? Particularly in comparison to expectations. I had the sense that it was a mid-level game at best, released in the middle of the year, yet it far surpassed a million sales.
Is that correct? As someone who didn't follow the game personally, I'm hoping that someone with more intimate knowledge might fill in the details.
Opiate said:
I don't have intimate knowledge, but I think it sold around 1.5 million. Clearly, the Halo 3 demo helped but Crackdown became a classic on its own. It is a very well-loved game, especially on GAF.
Yes Boss! said:
I think what happened was the burn out claims with the second one coming out just a year after the first. Ubi decided to take a refresh break IIRC. Personally I would like to go to back the the Ghost Recon days of the original Xbox. Oh I was so hooked to that with friends online. It's what hooked me into Live really.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Isn't it surprising that R2 sold seemingly much less than LBP this month? If I remember correctly it had much better first month? On the other hand, LBP being outsold by a MK game that's not even in the top 20 (which must have been outsold quite a bit by X360 version of the same game, which also is not in top 20), I wonder just how low those two games have sold.
Stoney Mason
Banned
Yes Boss! said:
They did 2 really quickly and decided to cool it. I'd be surprised if there wasn't one this fall.
Stoney Mason
Banned
Lord Error said:
Resistance 2 had a very good first month but then has disappeared. I think its pretty clear at this stage its a decent to good franchise for them but it won't be their Halo like the fandom and Sony sort of tried to position it.