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[shinra-bansho]

What are you guys trying to figure out?

I think ZSaber is trying to figure out the 3DS's best sellers, but got confused about what the respective number in each category was.

 

[Valentus]

So, if in december, holiday season, $350 + 2 or 3 games VS $400 + 2 games did only a difference of 200k, in a normal month, $350 + 1 or 0 games VS $400 + TLoU would did what... 20k/30k difference?, and in the same time in the rest of the world the gap month by month will widen 800k/1M?

I think MS should celebrate nothing yet, US will not balance things for MS at this pace.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

I think that Sony was unprepared for how aggressive MS was going to be this holidays. GTAV helped Sony a lot, if they ended up with AC and MS with GTA MS would have done much better.

I think that Sony should be considering cutting the price of the PS4 in NA before doing the same in other territories. They should announce the NA price cut in the next E3 and than do the same for Europe and Japan in the next Gamescom and TGS.

Here's the thing tho; they still sold over a million in December in NA. Not bad at all. They don't need a price drop right now. What they need, honestly, is maybe a bundled big game and actually advertise their strengths over the XBO. They've been shy to talk about the power gap; remind people why they're spending $50 more on your product in very concrete terms.

Just don't go overboard with it. Like those old...Neo-Geo Mad Dog ads. They should take cues from car commercials.

Swank avatar btw; fellow LBA fan here!

 

[EmmaWatsonButt]

Sorry for asking this if they have been posted before, but does anyone have the LTD numbers for COD, Destiny and GTA (current Gen)?

 

[Usobuko]

Fellow Gaffers, what important info did I miss about NPD? Did we get the numbers yet? I'm in school right now so please reply fast.

Check the first page, you didn't miss much btw.

 

[Three]

Europe (PAL region for be more precise) is for PS4 what USA is for Xbox One.

That would make sense if xbox one wasn't behind in the USA too. It does not even have a lead let alone one comparable to the PAL region. If the XB1 was leading in the US this analogy could be somewhat forgivable but even then comparing it to Europe is a bit of a stretch.

 

[allan-bh]

We have no idea how much percentage does Europe present for PS4 sales. We only know that 58% of PS4 sold-through sales happened outside US/Japan.

I'm sure a big piece of that is for Europe.

 

[StoppedInTracks]

On software sales? I've been saying it every month since launch month xbox always had higher attach rates. Clearly it was going to sell more as hardware sales increased

So it is the same as it was with 360. Why is the Xbox fanbase, in general, buying more games?!?

 

[donny2112]

Great numbers for both if true.

With those ...

 

[ZSaberLink]

What are you guys trying to figure out?

What Shinra said. I'm trying to figure out the 3DS's best sellers based on the PR note.

In 2014, 16 Nintendo 3DS titles sold at least 250,000 units. Of those titles, eight sold more than 500,000 units and three sold over 1 million units.

So interpreted this as 3 over 1M this year (Pokemon OR, Pokemon AS, and Smash)
8 over 500K but below 1M - ?
and 5 over 250K but below 500K - ?
all in the US. Is that interpretation correct?

I also had guesses on titles, as I supposed the titles could be Pokemon X, Pokemon Y, Mario Kart 7, NSMB2, 3D Land, Animal Crossing, Bravely Default, Tomodachi, Yoshi's New Island, Kirby, and maybe some Zelda/Lego titles.

 

[allan-bh]

That would make sense if xbox one wasn't behind in the USA too. It does not even have a lead let alone one comparable to the PAL region. If the XB1 was leading in the US this analogy could be somewhat forgivable but even then comparing it to Europe is a bit of a stretch.

I'm saying in terms of being a important market.

PS4 situation WW is far better than Xbox One mainly because of Europe , and Xbox One is very dependent of US sales.

 

[Discomurf]

Ghosts for PC was the worst optimized CoD game ever made. Black Ops 2 was very well optimized, so people just stuck with BO2.

Ah I see --- maybe Activison shouldn't have dumped the Wii U version just yet. Looks like it would have made them at least some easy money anyway,

 

[onQ123]

So, if in december, holiday season, $350 + 2 or 3 games VS $400 + 2 games did only a difference of 200k, in a normal month, $350 + 1 or 0 games VS $400 + TLoU would did what... 20k/30k difference?, and in the same time in the rest of the world the gap month by month will widen 800k/1M?

I think MS should celebrate nothing yet, US will not balance things for MS at this pace.

Maybe so but it will make things look better for them when it come to 3rd party support of games that will cater to the US market.

 

[Elios83]

It is good news for everyone, of course it's a slower thread lol.

It's also what most people expected, no shock, Xbox One still winning but with a lower gap compared to November because Sony was more competitive and when you drop the price you always get a bonus boost for the first month then things start to settle down.
Microsoft did well with their bundles and promotions in trying to get back in the race in the US. They basically abandoned the race in Europe and worldwide but in the US they have made a successful recover.
I don't know why they bothered going back to 399$ for less than two weeks....but surely Sony expected them to stay at 350$, that's the only reason why they announced TLOU being bundled in every console in the US.
Now we have 349$ with no games on one side and 399$ with a game on the other, imo it's a pretty balanced battle in terms of value but PS4 has a better Q1 lineup overall so I expect PS4 to be back on top during the quarter, also considering that outside the holiday season people tend to buy what they want and not what's cheaper.

 

[Javin98]

Check the first page, you didn't miss much btw.

Yeah, I read the first page. Is that it? So the other pages have just been pure speculation? When will Creamsugar provide the numbers?

 

[donny2112]

Is that MS press release stating that the 360 finally overtook the Wii?

They're saying it happened in 2014. It actually happened in October apparently.

 

[Duxxy3]

That's always been MS big problem with the Xbox brand, strong domestically and in the culturally similar UK, but beyond that a big drop-off in penetration.

I can't help but see that being even more pronounced this gen with Nintendo being far less competitive to Sony's market share in the regions where Xbox is weak.

I think part of that comes down to the design of the console. What they want the console to do.

The 360 was a gaming console, a connected console. It was designed well. Not just for efficiency. It wasn't designed JUST for the USA like the XB1 was.

The XB1's TV TV TV approach ostracized the majority of the world. Then you add in a rather bad looking console, as well as the same language options that the PS3/360 enjoyed and you have a box that rightfully gained it's "USA box" moniker. The XB1 slim can not come out soon enough.

 

[freefornow]

With those ...

So last months PS4 lead has been halved. Nov 15%, Dec 7.5%

 

[Superman00]

I'm saying in terms of being a important market.

PS4 situation WW is far better than Xbox One because of Europe, and Xbox One
is very dependent of US sales.

People probably don't realize this but even without the US and Japan, PS4 still outsold XB1.

 

[Trevelyan9999]

Ah I see --- maybe Activison shouldn't have dumped the Wii U version just yet. Looks like it would have made them at least some easy money anyway,

So Black Ops 3 coming to Wii U then? I don't see the excuse since they always release it on PC to crap sales.

 

[Chobel]

I'm sure a big piece of that is for Europe.

Well of course, but how big is that piece in WW? 50%, 45%?
If we assume XBO sales are 10-11 mil, then US represents 62-56%.

 

[Freeman]

Here's the thing tho; they still sold over a million in December in NA. Not bad at all. They don't need a price drop right now. What they need, honestly, is maybe a bundled big game and actually advertise their strengths over the XBO. They've been shy to talk about the power gap; remind people why they're spending $50 more on your product in very concrete terms.

Just don't go overboard with it. Like those old...Neo-Geo Mad Dog ads. They should take cues from car commercials.

Swank avatar btw; fellow LBA fan here!

Thanks, it's great to see that there are many fans on LBA out there, I love this series.

 

[ZSaberLink]

So Black Ops 3 coming to Wii U then? I don't see the excuse since they always release it on PC to crap sales.

Well more of the Wii U audience is still playing Black Ops 2 instead of Ghosts, and Treyarch are Nintendo fans, so why not xD?

 

[plasmawave]

Xbox One must have surpassed 10 millions units sold through at this point, right?

 

[allan-bh]

People probably don't realize this but even without the US and Japan, PS4 still outsold XB1.

PS4 would be at ~11 million, so maybe that's true.

 

[Discomurf]

So Black Ops 3 coming to Wii U then? I don't see the excuse since they always release it on PC to crap sales.

Sure, actually has a much better chance since Treyarch is likely developing.

 

[crinale]

I think we all should be happy that dedicated gaming devices are still selling well.

 

[Loakum]

= ) I wonder what fun things they can come up with using the twitch interactions.

I'm gonna so intentionally make bad choices, just to watch the carnage! Even though, when I done that with Heavy Rain...it was one of the most depressing endings ever! lol

 

[Javin98]

So last months PS4 lead has been halved. Nov 15%, Dec 7.5%

While the X1 did reclaim a large portion of the gap the PS4 had, the percentages don't really give the whole picture

 

[loaf of bread]

So last months PS4 lead has been halved. Nov 15%, Dec 7.5%

Nah. Lead went from 700 to 500 roughly.

 

[StevieP]

Well more of the Wii U audience is still playing Black Ops 2 instead of Ghosts, and Treyarch are Nintendo fans, so why not xD?

Wasn't that port team from Treyarch disbanded?

 

[CosmicQueso]

What Shinra said.

Wow. That's good work you've done.

You're heavy on the count over .5m, low on the count under 5m. Other than that you're like the rosetta stone of PR.

 

[gioGAF]

Ridiculous.

MS is clearly focusing on the US market, I doubt that they planned on being where they are at this stage of the game though.

Disagree, not ridiculous at all. It is actually spot on. A straight up fire sale for the last two months definitely shows a lack of confidence in their product's ability to sell, not only at the original price point they chose but also at a price point that matched their nearest competitor.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Thanks, it's great to see that there are many fans on LBA out there, I love this series.

I hope they make LBA 3 someday.

Still need to finish up the 1st tho; maybe get some serious time in on the weekend.

 

[vinnygambini]

Anyone, has Hyrule Warriors reached the 300k threshold?

 

[Three]

What is really surprising for me is the amazing performance from the 360. All in all MS must still be very pleased with the year even if they are behind in install base.

 

[Trevelyan9999]

I think we all should be happy that dedicated gaming devices are still selling well.

Agreed 100%

 

[Mass Effect]

Xbox One must have surpassed 10 millions units sold through at this point, right?

Maybe? There's absolutely no way of knowing at this point.

Hopefully Microsoft will give us official Xbone numbers eventually...

 

[Javin98]

Nah. Lead went from 700 to 500 roughly.

Do we really have confirmation that the X1 led the month with ~225K gap or is it just speculation?

 

[donny2112]

So last months PS4 lead has been halved. Nov 15%, Dec 7.5%

In absolute numbers, the gap dropped by ~30%. This chart is relative to XB1's userbase, and that changes each month.

 

[Busaiku]

So Black Ops 3 coming to Wii U then? I don't see the excuse since they always release it on PC to crap sales.

The PC figure in the ranking does not include digital sales.

 

[ZSaberLink]

Wow. That's good work you've done.

You're heavy on the count over .5m, low on the count under 5m. Other than that you're like the rosetta stone of PR.

So I'm guessing it's flipped? 5 over 500K, and 8 over 250K? That would make more sense imo.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Dent's presented the good side of his face today.

Anyone, has Hyrule Warriors reached the 300k threshold?

Believe.

 

[allan-bh]

Dent's presented the good side of his face today.

Only because Xbox One won.

 

[Mass Effect]

So Black Ops 3 coming to Wii U then? I don't see the excuse since they always release it on PC to crap sales.

Well PC gives higher margins than Wii U, so that could be one reason. CoD probably still sells better on PC, just mostly through digital rather than physical.

 

[samar11]

Xbox One must have surpassed 10 millions units sold through at this point, right?

Outside of US/UK xbox one is completely dead, I going to say worldwide its 9-9.5 million. Just a guess

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

I think we all should be happy that dedicated gaming devices are still selling well.

Yup. Really happy with the total sales. I wonder whether PS4 and XB1 will try to drive the price down much faster than last gen (i hope so). The 360 and PS3, are way too expensive at this point in their life, imo.

 

[Nightengale]

Only because Xbox One won.

Well, a good thing is a good thing. ( as in honest figures instead of NPD downplaying fud )

 

[Fdkn]

So Black Ops 3 coming to Wii U then? I don't see the excuse since they always release it on PC to crap sales.

Do you really think the bulk of CoD PC sales are retail?

 

[Superman00]

PS4 would be at ~11 million, so maybe that's true.

More than likely. XB1 would have to do really well the last 2 months WW. Since we know that they are at about 6.2M in US. I would think the the US ratio for XB1 would be higher than normal cause of all the crazy deals.