Thebeardofknowledge
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I'm guessing because it didn't really sell 1.7 last month ?
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NPD Sales Results for December 2015 [Up1: Super Mario Maker]
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I'm guessing because it didn't really sell 1.7 last month ?
DriftingSpirit
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Physical still heavily outweighs digital.
Anton Sugar
Member
That word of mouth.
Any chance it will hit Ubi's goal of 7m, though?
Metalingus5150
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So you think the Xbone will win the first 6 months of this year?
Cthulhu_Steev
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/Steve Martin 'oh, I thought they were OUT!'
It's too late now. All my friends are digital now. Hatsune Miku, Milo Molyneux, Cortana to name a few.
Square2015
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SW: last four generations
HW: last four generations
With this free chart tool, there were a lmited number of categories so I had to just keep using the manufacturer instead of each console /hopefully not too confusing.
2009
Wii nearly 4 million in December alone, we have never seen such numbers and probably never will again. The previous record holder was PS2 with 2.7m in 2002. Wii-mania INsanity. The top three titles (on Wii of course) sell 7 million together, even beating out this year's CoD!
The WIi (& DS) pushed sales for the industry this month to $5.5 billion and for the year $19.6 billion, a new record. (**in 2015, it did what $13b?**)
Incredible all around.
IN other news, PS3 managed to edge out 360, just barely. The PS3 can thank the SLIM model released in September in addition to the new 250GB Slim model released last month. Quite a turn around from last Holiday when the 260 doubled PS3 1.4m to 0.7m (Wii aped both with 2.2m).
2004
Okay, so this was an impressive year for XBOX, first the surprise price drop in April that began to put the XB in a competitive mode with the PS2 in month-to-month sales throughout the year, now the system has just won Christmas. No doubt this is thanks to Halo 2 which broke all kinds of records last month, KOTOR II this month, and the Holiday bundle (two free games bundle), an annual Christmas tradition from Microsoft. While this is an impressive victory for the XBOX brand and shows the power of killer SW, remember that the PSTWO was released just last month (the "Slim model") and there were shortages of the new system throughout the Season. GTA: San Andreas at 5m in three months!? Have we ever seen such monstrosity? Not up to this point. 2004 was a record breaking year.
Metal Gear Solid 3 at 780k, compare that to MGS2 at 1.3m during the same period back in '01.
Metroid Prime 2 (didn't chart) at 460k LTD, down a bit from MP1 at 720k over the same period in '02. Other Nintendo: Paper Mario: Thousand-Year Door (Sep release) finishes the year with 550k sold. Compare that to the original Paper Mario (Feb '01 release) which ended that year with 470k LTD, so PM:TYD is performing ahead of the original.
Mario Power Tennis: (Nov release) 300k, pretty good. Mario Tennis 64 (Sep '00 release) finished that year with 400k sold by comparison.
more to come...
HW: last four generations
With this free chart tool, there were a lmited number of categories so I had to just keep using the manufacturer instead of each console /hopefully not too confusing.
2009
Wii nearly 4 million in December alone, we have never seen such numbers and probably never will again. The previous record holder was PS2 with 2.7m in 2002. Wii-mania INsanity. The top three titles (on Wii of course) sell 7 million together, even beating out this year's CoD!
The WIi (& DS) pushed sales for the industry this month to $5.5 billion and for the year $19.6 billion, a new record. (**in 2015, it did what $13b?**)
Incredible all around.
IN other news, PS3 managed to edge out 360, just barely. The PS3 can thank the SLIM model released in September in addition to the new 250GB Slim model released last month. Quite a turn around from last Holiday when the 260 doubled PS3 1.4m to 0.7m (Wii aped both with 2.2m).
2004
Okay, so this was an impressive year for XBOX, first the surprise price drop in April that began to put the XB in a competitive mode with the PS2 in month-to-month sales throughout the year, now the system has just won Christmas. No doubt this is thanks to Halo 2 which broke all kinds of records last month, KOTOR II this month, and the Holiday bundle (two free games bundle), an annual Christmas tradition from Microsoft. While this is an impressive victory for the XBOX brand and shows the power of killer SW, remember that the PSTWO was released just last month (the "Slim model") and there were shortages of the new system throughout the Season. GTA: San Andreas at 5m in three months!? Have we ever seen such monstrosity? Not up to this point. 2004 was a record breaking year.
Metal Gear Solid 3 at 780k, compare that to MGS2 at 1.3m during the same period back in '01.
Metroid Prime 2 (didn't chart) at 460k LTD, down a bit from MP1 at 720k over the same period in '02. Other Nintendo: Paper Mario: Thousand-Year Door (Sep release) finishes the year with 550k sold. Compare that to the original Paper Mario (Feb '01 release) which ended that year with 470k LTD, so PM:TYD is performing ahead of the original.
Mario Power Tennis: (Nov release) 300k, pretty good. Mario Tennis 64 (Sep '00 release) finished that year with 400k sold by comparison.
more to come...
The Mad Draklor
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1. Argumentum ad nauseam
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4. Blaming other people for your argumentative deficiencies again already?
5. Saying ethomaz is nuts when you're showing signs of insanity is quite paradoxical, don't you think? I remember Amir0x saying you should be more concise with your posts, but hey, continue to ignore good advice...
EA are making Unravel. Why can't they make 2-3 titles a year of that scale and cost when they have guaranteed hundreds of millions from FIFA and Madden each year? You can't compare it like-for-like with Undertale because those EA games will be $20-30 and on 3 platforms at least and enjoying EA's recognition and press. There are also better examples for what EA can possibly do in that price bracket with Rocket League and ARK: Survival Evolved.
CosmicQueso
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Square2015 doing work.
My god the Wii in 2009. That wasn't that long ago but it seems forever.
My god the Wii in 2009. That wasn't that long ago but it seems forever.
Steverulez
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I don't think anyone is making an effort to be "balanced", nor do they need to. We should be grateful that Cream and Mulcair bestow upon us whatever numbers they see fit to share. Obviously other numbers would be nice and there are things each person would like to know which differs from each poster but I don't think we should complain if we don't get them
slavesnyder
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The most bizarre thing is that we don't just get box office numbers and revenue from films, no, they studios even are proud of them and use them for PR/marketing.
And if we see on IMDB or so that a film flopped - so what?
Games publishers are, compared to this, really strange. I am used to that but I will never unterstand it. It always seems psychotic to me.
Still amazed by the Wii. Goodness.
Edit: Also, Original Xbox beat the PS2 in America during December 2004? Didn't know that. Halo 2 effect I guess.
slavesnyder
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Dumb question: is it thinkable that Wii made more profit on hardware than WiiU on software for NIntendo ?
Maybe if you include Wiimotes, Balance Boards, Wheels, Crossbows etc.? (the extras they had... Amazing)
Tivor Tontomo
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1. Argumentum ad nauseam
2.
3.
4. Blaming other people for your argumentative deficiencies again already?
5. Saying ethomaz is nuts when you're showing signs of insanity is quite paradoxical, don't you think? I remember Amir0x saying you should be more concise with your posts, but hey, continue to ignore good advice...
Huh odd, nowhere in the post can anyone who can read think that I said Xbox one will catch the ps4. Again your bad reading comprehension. And his.
Tivor Tontomo
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So do we have Spyro and Crash Bandicoot LTDs or numbers up till Skylanders, because the chart Travis just posted makes me feel as if Svyro was never really a thing in the first place. Which would be odd considering how hyped it was.
Tivor Tontomo
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I am curious to know how as well.
/clicks YES
Let make this simple
Guy says Xbox one wont win a month this year.
I say it will likely win a month during the first 6 months of this year. Im mostly focusing on QB when I say this.
Dont see any issues here. Could be wrong, depends on how big QB is. Or rather if MS actually promotes it.
CosmicQueso
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Completely agree.
Once I'm able, would love to write an inside-baseball look at how the business side of this industry rolls. Sure I could sell dozens of copies, but some of the stories man, some of the stories.
Biggest takeaway after a long time is "never assign to malice that which can be explained through stupidity and incompetence".
Artistic projects that are products of bureaucratic corporations are driven by numbers. The job of the people deciding on where money goes is to maximize roi. So, how are these people supposed to decide which indie-game-made-by-one-guy to back out of the thousands that get made every year? How would someone looking at kickstarter games 18 months ago know which game was going to be huge?
The PC is open with a low bar of entry and no gatekeepers. So that's where amateurs go. And amidst all the noise and garbage, things like undertake or even Facebook can arise. Those aren't things that come from big companies, with maybe the exception of 20th century Ma Bell.
But maybe I'm pessimistic. How would you suggest Ms or Sony create an Undertake?
By focusing on QB as the catalyst, you're explicitly stating that you believe Xbox will win Uncharted 4 month. That's bloody insane.
hodayathink
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When you're a publicly held company like EA then you have to show growth to appease shareholders. Making those games doesn't grow the company like making Star Wars: Battlefront or the sports games do. The money they generate is basically a blip on the radar in terms of their overall balance sheet, and if they actually have to divert money/resources away from the big games to do it, then it just doesn't make sense for them to do so. Ubi can get away with it, I would argue, because they have so many employees/studios working on their big games that there's bound to be downtime when a group of people aren't working on a particular project (and the next iteration of a project hasn't gotten to them yet), so it makes sense to let them work on something else that could gain you notoriety/money in the meantime. Most (if not all) of EA's studios are working on specific games/series, so the time spent not working on the current installment can usually be used to work on the next big game/installment.
slavesnyder
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What is the equivalent of "why not both" when there are three options?
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Sony already is. It's called Dreams
Do you realise that Quantum Break will release in the same month of Uncharted 4, right?
Tivor Tontomo
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Well first it depends if one has more older games or recent games they want to play than the other, and mayb buy either game for that.
Then we have to realize that we dont know what QB is or how it will launch outside to conference demos that really dont show anything but special effects. QB is a wild card for now. So we really cant be too sure, maybe it will be a hit, maybe it will sell like The Order. who knows.
Cow Goes Moo
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idk its possible, just extremely unlikely, of course. it happened last april when mkx was the only notable release
Your more recent post said this:
Which is what I was referencing to.
As per winning QB month, as pointed out, it's also Uncharted 4 month. So ... yeah.
Aside from very popular and well known franchises, price trumps everything.
The only month that MS would win in the US at this point is the month they would lower officially to $299 -if- Sony wasn't following by doing the same imo.
Which we all know they are ready to do so (perhaps even initiating the drop themselves actually, around PSVR release).
Tivor Tontomo
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Ok, but what do we know about QB for us to even make a guesstimate about its perfomance, nothing. We have very little info on the game, we dont know how it will launch or how the advertising will be. We dont know if it along with some odler games will attract more guys over or if Uncharted 4 will.
For all we know it may be moved to June or 2228. I mean really, we have nothing on QB. Which MS is running out of time to fix, because if they wait to long there will be no anticipation.
You realize that that was because of crazy Best Buy deal on Xbone that month, right?
Or was it gamestop?
I would love to know how much money they made on hardware/accessories. 2008 and 2009 for the Wii was unbelievable.
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Highly doubt it will get April (Quantum Break month) since Uncharted 4 is releasing during the same month and I'm positive that Sony will make some special bundle for it.
I could see Xbox One getting maybe two months out of the year (depends on when they launch Gears of War 4) -- possibly more months depending on deals and/or a slim model.
AmaterasuOni
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And yet you say Xbone could outperform PS4 on the UC4 release month with a game like that. That is a borderline psychotic thought.
Just hope that QB will get postponed to Summer.
Tivor Tontomo
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You must be insane, because how is it psychotic to think there is a 5o,5o chance that a game we know nothing about could become big or become a flop.
Thats normally how this works. Could be big, could not. Thats why i said MAYBE and possibly.
Cow Goes Moo
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well that certainly does help, i'm just humoring the possibility despite the highly unlikeliness of it
april is usually slow iirc
I'm more excited for QB than Uncharted but it's crazy to think it will even get close it in sales.
gundamkyoukai
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One thing for certain Sony will market the hell out of UC4 .
It might be there biggest or second biggest game of the year .
Tivor Tontomo
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I like how you edited out RECENT post, so didnt quote the original post that everyone was responding to that clearly said ONE of the first 6 months. interesting.
AmaterasuOni
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New IP with a lesser install base going against a well-known and loved franchise on a platform which leads 2:1 in sales. That is not even a distant possibility, that is basically just insanity. That is not a 5o,5o chance, not even a 7o,3o chance. More likely 8o to 2o in sales.
In April 2015 XB1 got some insane promotions, like unofficial $175 pricedrop at GameStop or something like this ( i don't remember correctly).
So, unless this will happen again, i can't see XB1 wins.
Gamestop.
Wut?
You said that is LIKELY for XB1 wins at least one month, and then you talked about Quantum Break. Which is in the same month of Uncharted 4.
In others worlds, you said is likely for XB1 wins in the Uncharted 4 month.
We have no idea of how Quantum Break will be, but you think is likely for XB1 wins this month.
Ok...
Tivor Tontomo
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I see a lot of you guys saying this, the issues is that agreeing with that is a little odd since we know NOTHING about the game outside its an AAA title and it will have a big budget. We know NOTHING else. Literally nothing about QB. nothing. So i have to give the 5o, 5o, chance.
Apparently you know enough to confidently suggest it will top Sony in U4 month.
gundamkyoukai
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UC3 sold 700k in the first month in the US and i expect UC4 to do even more .
Do you see QB doing those numbers ?
Thebeardofknowledge
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Tivor is the gift that keeps on giving
Tivor Tontomo
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No i said its likely it wins one of the 6 months of the year, and I said MANY times that QB month is its best, and recently, likely ONLY chance of that MAYBE happening. dont use absolute terms I never said.
Holy crap, is even vague statements that arent even really complimenting box cause guys to go crazy here. No one said it would win, I said its there likely only chance in the first half of the year. Dont think anyone will disagree with that, all other times it will be obvious the ps4s.
Your argument is that a game we know nothing about three months before its release has a chance to outsell Uncharted? Step back and think on this mate.
The fact that we know nothing about a game that launches in just a few months against Uncharted is why it's unlikely to be a massive runaway hit. And a massive hit is what it would have to be to overcome the install base and name recognition of UC4.
Tivor Tontomo
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I dont even know what the game offers, how can I answer that question.
I did the same with Uncharted Collection, and look what happened, i was right to give it the 5o, 5o, and guess what consoles won, the ps4.
This is no different. I dont know about the game, and until I do I cant really just assume Uncharted will win. Just like I cant assume Uncharted will lose.
Tivor Tontomo
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Issues is that I had this same argument with the Uncharted Collection, and Gears Collection bundles, and guess which consoles won, ps4. There was doubt about the Uncharted bundle for a bit around the internet. Then they started revealing more things and look what happened.
Uncharted 3 sold >800k first month including bundle.
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