airmangataosenai
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I'm not sure how it works, but is it possible that when Nintendo talks about the sale of digital versions of the game they are including the digital version included in the hardware bundle?
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NPD Sales Results for February 2013 [Up5: Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, Official PS3/WiiU]
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I'm not sure how it works, but is it possible that when Nintendo talks about the sale of digital versions of the game they are including the digital version included in the hardware bundle?
creamsugar
Member
PSP < 10k
Wii < 100k < DS < 150k < 3DS < 200k < PS3 < 250k
Wii < 100k < DS < 150k < 3DS < 200k < PS3 < 250k
Yeah. That's how Pachter broke it down ages ago on his GT show. $12 to the retailer, $12 to the console manufacturer. $36 left.
I think they created a design document and then sold it to a publisher that was into the idea. I know this is the case with Heavenly Sword for sure (the game existed before Sony signed it). I don't think they make games with mass appeal. Which is why they keep bombing. I'm not saying it's solely their fault, but it's at least partially. For the record, I'm not absolving the publisher.
You are really stabbing at ghosts here. I don't think it should or will end for them here. But they make bombs. Lots of my favorite studios make nothing but bombs. It's unfortunate. Sorry.
Highbrow compared to Dead Space 3 by virtue of knowing that it's not really highbrow.
So what you're saying is that console gaming is becoming more niche again.
near full NPD data used to get dumped here every month until I think 2006. I guess NPD made some threats because the practice was banned but then they made a deal to provide GAF with top-10 numbers, hardware and some requests . I think Sony hardware was dropped first, and now all we get is this
I am surprised it doesnt find its way to pastebin or something. IIRC the reason even the leakers dont give exact numbers is that they use this to identify people
airmangataosenai
Member
Going by this chart and Microsoft's PR, does this mean that the Wii did somewhere over 150k? Goddamn, that's impressive.
Its nice to see that FE sold well enough at retail for it to be in the top 10
We'll need Dead Space 3 to figure it out based on what we have.
It's about a third of that.
Great, now people are making shit up again to trash the game further. Wonderful. They never went over deadline for DmC.
Also, there is no bad blood between NT and Sony. NT left because they wanted to remain independent after their bankruptcy and rebranding (thanks in part to their original owner, Argonaut Games, folding). They worked with Sony on their tech with Heavenly Sword. Since they wanted to be on their own, they parted ways, That was it.
Seriously, stop with the lies.
short single player only games that got not so great reviews (~80 ish) seems to have a pretty consistent upper limit for sales these days. you'd be very lucky to hit more than 200k.
for single player games it either have to be a lengthy RPG or the like and gather "universal acclaim" to possibly sell more than that, even then it usually doesn't work for Japanese games mostly. Dishonored was the most recent one. Bioshock Infinite is probably next as it's an established brand.
for single player games it either have to be a lengthy RPG or the like and gather "universal acclaim" to possibly sell more than that, even then it usually doesn't work for Japanese games mostly. Dishonored was the most recent one. Bioshock Infinite is probably next as it's an established brand.
Mystic_Wanderer
Member
It didn't.
Well I don't know how much DS sells but I can't see that as a good thing. DS has to sell around a million for MGR to generate respectable sales.
I really hope that a pricecut and improved library can start to convert some of those into Wii U sales before the end of the year. Same basic process as happened with the 3DS, only Nintendo needs it a hell of a lot more.
shinra-bansho
Member
Hmm. Perhaps Microsoft had closer to 42% share then.
EDIT: I can't find a way for this to be mathematically congruent with Microsoft's statement.
Dead Space 2 between its first two months (it only had a few days in its launch monoth) did about 764K.
I'm unsure how much this varied from that.
Aquamarine
Member
So...
[360] 302K
[PS3] ~201K - 249K
[3DS] ~151K - 199K
[WII] ~115K?
[DS] ~101K - 149K
[WIU] ~66K
[PSV] ~38K
[PSP] ~1K - ~9K
Can you say if the 3DS is closer to 150k or 200k? Or if the PS3 is closer to 200k or 250k?
Happy that Sly, Ni No Kuni, and Fire Emblem are doing decently.
Brain Age is pretty much dead though with sales barely better than the ~3000 units of Ninja Gaiden 2 Vita. 3DS games as a whole need their MSRP dropped by $10. $30 for Brain Age and Crosswords is fucking ridiculous.
Also, the Wii U is such a clusterfuck at this point. Nintendo really needed to expand during their Wii/DS days so there wouldn't be the massive droughts we're seeing now. There's a complete lack of enticing first and third party games until Fall (in terms of sales). Hopefully Lego City, Monster Hunter 3: Ultimate, and Pikmin 3 don't bomb too badly.
Brain Age is pretty much dead though with sales barely better than the ~3000 units of Ninja Gaiden 2 Vita. 3DS games as a whole need their MSRP dropped by $10. $30 for Brain Age and Crosswords is fucking ridiculous.
Also, the Wii U is such a clusterfuck at this point. Nintendo really needed to expand during their Wii/DS days so there wouldn't be the massive droughts we're seeing now. There's a complete lack of enticing first and third party games until Fall (in terms of sales). Hopefully Lego City, Monster Hunter 3: Ultimate, and Pikmin 3 don't bomb too badly.
Seeing as how Creamsugar said that FE outsold Sly via retail and Sly in number 9 on the list it did unless I'm missing something
I think you have to offer a solid value proposition in consumer's minds.
Like Skyrim, Batman, and L.A. Noire were all open world games (and thus presumed long), and Dishonored at least appeared to offer a really different experience, though notably sold a lot less than any of the other three mentioned.
Sorry for asking, but where did you get the Wii number? I probably missed it in this thread.
PhantomOfTheKnight
Member
Nintendo are counting the hardware bundle as a retail unit, which isn't listed in the NPD in the OP.
Aquamarine
Member
For all intents and purposes, it's 66K.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Lots of creamsugar goodness. 66k. Nirolak is just savouring the taste it seems.
We have already confirmed that 3DS did 190k.
Also PS3 should be super close to 250k.
GhostOfLawlight
Banned
Not very fair to compare it to a game that probably sold better digitally.
Mikey Jr.
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Aquamarine
Member
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Those games will definantely bomb (dont know about pikmin) But the whole NPD thread of march will be about ridiculing lego city and MonHun.
I don't really think that Visceral thinks DS is highbrow...
And people want MGR to "win" because of its focus on gameplay mechanics.
Anyways, both teams waste too much time on their bullshit stories.
Platinum just has more to offer.
He edited.
Wii < 100k
I play the game everyday, so that's going to color my view on it. But to me, it's much higher quality and fuller in content than the $20 Brain Age 1/2 games, so expecting it to only sell for $10, just because of the existence of iOS games is like saying all 2-D games should all be $20 or less downloadable titles. It completely ignores what's gone into the game to make it what it is. I'm gaining, what is to me, significant worth from playing it everyday, as well, so that adds to its worth, in my view, too.
Does the market agree? Obviously, not. But just saying "It should've only been $10" coming from someone, who I seriously doubt has played the game (if for no other reason than by looking at the sales
) does not sit well with me on a personal level.That's my reasoning, at least.
FE:A sold a good number of bundles and those are messing with it, apparently.
Oh boy. I'm probably going to go find something to do for a few days so I can let the "fun" blow over until meaningful discussion takes place.
Ah, then that 117k figure is just what Nintendo gave us (with the bundles included). Hm.. then that could make this Top 10 list really good or really bad with some concrete numbers.
creamsugar
Member
Yeah, and I was just saying that if the bundle numbers were included it would've been in the top 10. I was just taking notice of it.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Hence why there is no Heavenly Sword 2 or Enslaved sequel. And hence why Ninja Theory was stuck working on a preexisting licence than being given the flexibility to work on their own IP. The worst lesson from those two bombings was to not trust Ninja theory with a new IP.
And DmC's bombing is far more complex than Ninja theory making an unappealing game. But overall Capcom knew exactly what they were getting into when they signed up for Ninja Theory's DmC game. And I'm willing to bet that it was Capcom's prerogative to make a more "casual appealing" DMC.
Ninja Theory did exactly what they were suppose to in this case: they made a well-reviewed, more casual appealing DmC (even if it failed to capture casuals or the original DMC audience). At best, NT is making DmC 2. At worst, they're work on progressively less appealing IPs from now on. But they're certainly not folding and I'm positive they'll continue to get work from publishers.
If Wii is less than 100k there's something wrong with the numbers.
Microsoft said that they had 41% of market share.
That means that Wii+WiiU+PS3 = 434k
If Wii U = 66k and Wii=100k, PS3 would be 268k not < 250k.