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NPD Sales Results For February 2017 [Up1: For Honor highest LTD game of 2017 so far]
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
230k for Nioh without digital is amazing. Has to be the biggest KT title in a long time.
miller.skippins
Banned
i mean...the Q1 PS4 release is packed....most of the ps4 only people probably are spoil for choices.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
The only problem with the PS4 is that it has too many games.
miller.skippins
Banned
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
If you hate For Honor taking the top spot then blame Microsoft for not giving them competition. Xbox gamers gotta eat. lol
ShemhazaiX
Member
Lol, and there was someone trying to tell me that For Honor was a niche game that didn't count when I said that Mass Effect had a lot of competition with its release.
Wesley-Sigma
Member
Nice, cool to see Nioh do as well as it did physically. Must have been that shortage, lol.
Hoping NieR: Automata does well this month. Already 200K+ on Japan. Western sales and the Steam release I hope has it sell over one million copies.
Hoping NieR: Automata does well this month. Already 200K+ on Japan. Western sales and the Steam release I hope has it sell over one million copies.
Ubi pricing model. Nothing new. If anything WD2 was an outlier in not getting a discount a couple of weeks after release.
hanspampel
Banned
In general xbox one is higher for retail sales. But if you include the ps4 bundles the opposite is true.
This was at least the whole last year with BO III the case and the previous iterations. Don't know why that would've changed. I can't give you any specific split tho, obviously
$ sales
Contributing factors:
No more Wii u sales
Ps4 slim price cut to $249 for 2 weeks out of 4 tracking (50%)
Xb1 s price cut to $249 for 10 days out of 28 tracking (over 1/3)
Ps4 pro at $399 supply shortages
But total unit numbers is also down YoY, as mentioned. But it's not 30% grim
-30% in hardware sales yoy is very worrying.
With so many models in the console market and with differents price entry points to console gaming (you can get a slim ps4/vanilla xbox one for 200 euro), plus the plethora of (very good) available games, one would expect hardware sales to go up, or worst case scenario remain constant.
With the Switch selling 800K in the US we will see a spike next month's npd in hardware sales, but are these sales translating into new people entering the console market or current owners of ps4/one buying the switch as a second/third console, thus their gaming budget will be shared between 2 or 3 platforms?
With so many models in the console market and with differents price entry points to console gaming (you can get a slim ps4/vanilla xbox one for 200 euro), plus the plethora of (very good) available games, one would expect hardware sales to go up, or worst case scenario remain constant.
With the Switch selling 800K in the US we will see a spike next month's npd in hardware sales, but are these sales translating into new people entering the console market or current owners of ps4/one buying the switch as a second/third console, thus their gaming budget will be shared between 2 or 3 platforms?
Mister Megative
Banned
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Aside from Division, it has to be their biggest opening in years. I don't know offhand, but I think it's bigger than Syndicate
KawabataSan
Member
Does your number for Nioh include digital sales, John?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
KawabataSan
Member
Thanks for the response.
Not a bad opening for the title at all, considering it's a new IP in a somewhat niche genre. Not too far off some of the Souls games iirc.
I think Team Ninja and Sony will be pleased with this.
Sad Affleck
Member
I wouldn't say it's necessarily worrying but it is strange. Quality software was released, you'd expect that it would motivate people into buying hardware.
No because IMO we havent seen a constant declining trend yet.
Even as a whole it looks fine. For individual companies is where it can look good or bad.
The Wii U dropped the ball from the Wii. The Switch is going to pick up the slack for the Wii U.
What the Switch means for handheld category remains to be seen. At some point we are going to either include Switch in both home console and handheld categories or its going to be in one only.
I don't believe too much to this story. I mean, it could have some supply shortage but I doubt that will improve significally the whole sales of the ps4 base. I wouldn't see Sony intentionally to limit the pro stock units if the demand was really important.In general xbox one is higher for retail sales. But if you include the ps4 bundles the opposite is true.
This was at least the whole last year with BO III the case and the previous iterations. Don't know why that would've changed. I can't give you any specific split tho, obviously
$ sales
Contributing factors:
No more Wii u sales
Ps4 slim price cut to $249 for 2 weeks out of 4 tracking (50%)
Xb1 s price cut to $249 for 10 days out of 28 tracking (over 1/3)
Ps4 pro at $399 supply shortages
But total unit numbers is also down YoY, as mentioned. But it's not 30% grim
We are very much humbled by the critical reception RE7 received from fans and newcomers across the board. Thanks to GAF as well. We hope you give it a shot too. The Bakers will be happy to welcome you as a part of the family ;-)
While I can't share hard numbers, digital has been great for us; more so than our original projections.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
I still don't agree. I just feel bad genres and titles are missing and I feel publishers aren't taking a chance with many of them
Silent Hill
Dmc
Ridge racer
Motorstorm
Sly cooper
Arcade racers, kart racers, platformees, fps set outside of sprint and sight aiming, extreme sports and the list goes on. I'd love to see a new hydro, or water inspired game.
Not only that but getting those games with a budget that these other games get may even work out well.
Even crash got a sub par budget that doesn't justify the hardware. It's hard to say these things won't sell when they have had no chance the whole generation.
It's good to atleast get the niohs, re7 and other Japan games atleast but would be nice if the west can make games that dobt follow formulas and fears so much too imo
I just don't want to keep seeing last of us, cinematic or open games from Sony. They were so good last gen at getting out a great range of games. Arcade racers, platformers, action, story, rpg and just great titles. I feel they have done an 180 based off what they see in open world honestly.
I do believe there is cause of concern for everyone about this trend. Not just me, you but devs, and all gamers.
If these games take off more and more as they seem to be doing it will equal less types of games and more time spent in those open world games and less games being bought overall. Why does a far cry or Zelda love we newest to buy another game for months when they are spending 100 hours on this game. Even the publisher of said game can eventually be affected on near releases titles. Sure if ubi soft sells 5 to 8 million on every game they won't care and will just keep making those games I we and over but something has to give. Other games won't sell in those situations. Just seems like a bleak scenario for gamers overall. Not just me, but many of us. I think we saw that and felt that.
It wasn't too this year that it seemed good games actually made it out but sales were never the issue on the titles we felt went that amazing or the best of the best.
hanspampel
Banned
Me to and I don't believe it's a big contributing factor but I wanted to list it for the sake of completeness
Some more ps4 pro at $399 sold would increase the asp and total $ spend. No matter how slim.
Everyone with the actual report know those numbers. Would be interesting nevertheless if the pro ratio is higher or lower than november and december with 18.5%
For everyone who is worrying/alarmed/freaking out/etc., keep in mind this is the fourth February these systems have been on the market. For as good as the games have been, it's natural for console sales to have peaked at this point in the generation and to start winding down YOY.
Considering all the mobile/PC doom and gloom back in the very beginning of the generation, PS4 and Xbox, but particularly PS4, have done well -- again, all things considered. PS4 is on track to do better than the previous generation which is quite remarkable.
So yes, the console industry is definitely changing (and has changed a lot already) but I don't think we should be alarmed by unit sale performance at this point. There's still lots of money to be made by all the players.
Congrats to the whole team! I just picked up my copy of RE7 yesterday and am currently playing through Resident Evil Origins Collection.
Agreed on all fronts. This is to be expected it is not a cause for concern. Dedicated consoles have proven far more successful than most expected prior to the release of PS4 and XB1 and that success means they're here to stay for now. So long as there's a market for it there's profit to be made and there are companies that will capitalize on it.
Ah well that's a bit less impressive then. Wonder what the digital split was. Curious just how much stock Sony supplied at retail.
Congratulations! The game has made a lot of people really excited about the future of Resident Evil again. Y'all did good. Now if only you could make that Onimusha game I've been waiting ages for
Does this include uPlay sales?
The chart lists no Battle.net sales for Overwatch, but not no uPlay sales for For Honor.
DriftingSpirit
Member
230K for Nioh is balling.
hanspampel
Banned
I find this weird, too
It also does not listed no Origin sales for BF1 and other EA titels.
But afaik only digital sales through steam are tracked and included.
No other digital store fronts on PC.
No publisher is sharing data for their own store front. Only for store fronts a third party involved already has that data as platform holder.
Unless something changed recently, this should still be the case.
Matt could clarify this.
i was unter the impressing John Harker works for someone related to SIE.
Really? I was under the impression that Sony is not giving their digital sales numbers to NPD, and that's why indeed those are not accounted in the charts, while every other game psn numbers are given by the publishers themselves
I'm not denying, just asking for clarification because there has been some confusions in the past too. I don't know where he works and also thought it was better not to disclose insider information like that.
I'm fine about it being true too, it was just curiosity
Sangetsu-II
Member
The pattern is set. Slow, slow, slow until the fall. I suspect that if both HD twins are up YOY at the end of 2017 it will be because they sold 3+million units between September and the end of the year.
You have to admit this is pretty hilarious
Free the big homie zhuge!
where did we get the Nioh sold 230 retail from ? I saw it quoted but not sourced
They pretty much dont have any other games to buy besides multiplatform ones, oh and halo wars but lets be realistic.
Has been and always will be ridiculous how Zhuge was treated here. After what happened I doubt he would come back even if he was allowed at this point.
But hey if things didn't happen the way they did he likely never would've made such a breakout success on twitter and would've never gotten a job working in the very industry he loves to follow and study. I'd say he made out like a bandit all things considered. The hipocracy on display in these threads is just icing on the cake for him.
Crap like this is why all our sources are pretty much gone. Stop playing detective and theorizing where our insiders work or how they get their info. Then again this always happens so clearly this community is not responsible enough to have insiders in the current NPD reporting climate. I know I sure as hell wouldn't bother/risk it if I had the means. I wouldn't blame Harker or anyone else from disappearing either.
So MS is essentially adopting the Sony Holiday strategy and applying it to the spring
True. Just have some faith and move along
KawabataSan
Member
Primethius
Banned
Yea, except Spring just doesn't have the plethora of multiplatform titles that Fall does so it seems like a nonsensical strategy to just lift and apply.
Exploratory
Banned
Hilariously I would say the quality of those games is the exact opposite.
Wildlands
For Honor
Watch Dogs 2
The Division
MatPiscatella
Member
Stop wondering where people work. Leave them alone. You have questions? I'm right here.
I know it's confusing, I wish it wasn't.
uPlay - The only PC sales included for the chart rankings come from STEAM. Working on adding more platforms, but for now uPlay and all other digital PC platform sales are not included.
Sony - Digital sales of participating 3rd party publishers are included in both the total spend calculation as well as the individual title rankings. Digital sales of 1st party published games are included in the total spend calculation but removed from the individual title rankings.
I know it's confusing, I wish it wasn't.
uPlay - The only PC sales included for the chart rankings come from STEAM. Working on adding more platforms, but for now uPlay and all other digital PC platform sales are not included.
Sony - Digital sales of participating 3rd party publishers are included in both the total spend calculation as well as the individual title rankings. Digital sales of 1st party published games are included in the total spend calculation but removed from the individual title rankings.
I mean this spring kinda does. Resident evil, For Honor, Ghost recon and mass effect. All of those games play well with the Xbox audience. I wouldn't say it's a lock every year but this year, more so than last year is packed (last year was mainly the division)
Calm down, on the contrary I am against playing detective about people. I asked about a number with no bad intentions
Thanks Mat for the clarification and your presence here
Wait so digital PSN sales are given to NPD but not included in the reporting? Am I reading that right? Why? Is there some reason Sony wouldn't want PSN revenue counted in the public report? I can't really think of what they have to gain by exempting themselves from that. Especially with digital skews now apparently breaching 50% on certain titles.
I know it's likely you can't really answer this I just find it really odd so I couldn't help but ask.
Sangetsu-II
Member
That's interesting, but why is it done like that?
Primethius
Banned
Not really. 4 games across 3 months isn't something I'd liken to your typical fall lineup. November for example usually has a similar amount of big games launching in a much closer time frame than what you listed.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Some people don't like taking info at face value .
Even more so since other insiders never really seem to talk about Sony DD info .
I sure people are happy about it but you should already know how it is .
EDIT seem mat explain some stuff above.