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NPD Sales Results for January 2014 [Up3: PS4/XB1 #1/#2 best selling; Poke/SM3DW/ALBW]
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Dr. Feel Good
Banned
On my phone so can't find a source but pretty sure the 360 had a terrible January in 2006. Although the yields were low and the stock was constrained so it's not really apples to apples comparison.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
No, the PS4 will do much better. It will ultimately sell more hardware, software and will last longer.
I don't appreciate the personal attack. I don't even have my Wii U at my dorm, I leave it at home because I only occasionally play it, and have zero emotional investment in what happens to it. I have both my X1 and PS4 here though. I WANT the industry to succeed, but I don't see how anyone can look at these numbers and tell me the industry is returning to health following the battering it's been taking the last 2 years.
I'd say it has a good chance of doing so, but it's certainly not a forgone conclusion.
shinra-bansho
Member
There is a clear contraction in the handheld market, despite the launch of two successor systems, below the low watermark the GBA alone set of 7.5M TTM by almost 3M, or a rough 35% decline. An over 50% decline from the average TTM over the past decade of ~10.5M.
There is a massive contraction in Nintendo's home systems.
The average TTM for Sony and Microsoft's combined systems is 10.1M units. Ebbing and flowing over the course of generations and generational transition. As at December 2013, the TTM for their systems was 9.06M, up M/M from November, up Y/Y from December 2012.
This does not bode well for Just Dance, it has lesser ramification for Assassin's Creed.
Nintendo is dying. Everything else is looking pretty good from here.
And Nintendo isn't going anywhere.
How so? The PS4 is currently "pulling a Wii" in that it's quickly selling out whenever it becomes available. We won't know much about the overall, long-term demand for the PS4 until enough of them are being supplied.
Yeah, too bad....
Never ever has a console sold as much in the first 2 1/2 months like the PS4.
Record breaking sales.
Yeah..... console gaming is dying......
#smh
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Obviously, it is Nintendo's fault but still. It is a DOA console from and nobody seems to care if it sticks around or not. It sucks seeing my childhood so shunned.
I edited my post to clarify further but, it very much sounds like the opposite of that though. You are talking like the Industry is tanking right now and will collapse any minute. That is insane.
Did anyone really think it would? Its demand is nowhere near the Wii's.
Last I checked the PS4 had a bigger launch than the Wii. The PS4 is also $150 more expensive.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Meltdowns: Better In Your Mouth Than In Your Hands.
Seems like handheld is, though we won't feel the effects for a few years as they're still getting fantastic games. Home console is probably contracting (?), but that's what people here were expecting I think with the Wii U being what it is.
Krisprolls
Banned
You won't see so many people buying both HD twins this gen simply because both now require a subscription to play online. Nobody wants to pay twice every month.
That alone and the end of Nintendo Wii gimmick will be enough to shrink the market, so don't expect huge numbers.
Still, PS4 is on track to be the single winner and reap most of the rewards this gen.
That alone and the end of Nintendo Wii gimmick will be enough to shrink the market, so don't expect huge numbers.
Still, PS4 is on track to be the single winner and reap most of the rewards this gen.
Umm, because Nintendo themselves didn't really talk about Wii U. They showed us all the stuff we knew was coming. Basically MK, DK (We've seen to much of this game now), A messy X battle, and Bayonetta footage. Whoopee.
Glorified G
Member
More like I was comparing the fact that looking at a specific number in a specific month and going with a hyperbolic prediction is pretty stupid. Speaking of stupid predictions....
Surprised you even still show up to these threads. Your whole post history is calling doom and gloom on the industry making wildly armchair analysis on gaming budgets.....
And being a bitter fanboy because his favorite piece of plastic isn't selling.
Both were supply constrained. Can't really compare them. Sony being able to ship more is definitely a good thing, though.
Imperfected
Member
It's the new* narrative: if your console of choice can't "win", then clearly it means everyone must lose and the entire game has to have been meaningless to begin with. It's the equivalent of the friend you had growing up who would try super hard to win in a game, but then upon losing toss the controller and declare, "Whatever. This is a stupid game for babies, anyway. You only won because I don't care."
*I mean, it isn't actually new, it was like the sixth stage of Wii-U Grief, but there's some degree of novelty in how fast we're catapulting into it this time.
krypt0nian
Banned
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
It's actually really close to Wii numbers. At this time the Wii was moving 87k a week, the PS4 sold ~70k a week last month. Both were supply constrained, so who knows how much they could have sold. Also the PS4 is still way ahead in LTD sales.
What do you say when February NPD numbers are disappointing too?
Any 3rd party planning exclusive games for gen 8 consoles are probably on a suicide watch right now.
And_Gignac
Member
Excuse my excepticism when I dont believe the huge company that Sony is wasnt able to produce more than 250k PS4s for the American market, when Nintendo was able to produce almost the double during the Wii crazyness. It is not selling out in the same level the Wii was selling out.
OF COURSE, I dont think the PS4 will nose dive like the Wii did 3 years after the hysteria.
Hidden One
Member
Posting in a legendary thread.
yeah, so many ridiculous statements being made here; of course software is going to be down, especially since there were no notable releases in January compared to devil may cry or ni no kuni in Jan. 2013.
Meanwhile, ALL retailers in every sector were down more than anticipated in January due to the snowstorms all across the US.
Not to mention that NPD doesn't track digital sales, a sector that is growing steadily and is being promoted more than ever with the new consoles.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Spot on.
You're kinda nuts, seriously. PS4 is doing fantastic. I don't know what you're expecting.
So far Nintendo has done so for every month for like the last 6+ months, so even if they didn't specify, I think it's a safe assumption.
Simon Says
Banned
Do we have actual numbers yet or still just estimates?
Krisprolls
Banned
Wii brought tons of casuals onboard, it will be really hard to pull Wii numbers at first for the PS4. It's just not the same market at all.
Still, PS4 will probably live longer so I'd say it has a good chance of beating Wii numbers on the long run.
Alright, that just leaves us with the question of where we can find the tens (or hundreds?) of thousands of unsold PS4s. The warehouse from Indiana Jones, maybe?
New Zealand?
Except PS4 is selling faster than Wii (both are supply constrained).
shinra-bansho
Member
Err... Nintendo were only able to produce around 5.8M Wiis, last I recall. It was a sold out phenomenon, but Nintendo were only able to get about 1.5M into the US market through Jan 2007.
Sony is expecting to produce about 5M or so. The PS4 is currently outpacing it in the US market, although I expect they'll cross streams some time this year.
Lmao. I actually own PC, 3DS, Wii U and Xbone. Maybe even a PS4 later this year, not decided yet. I'd call myself a core gamer whatever that means to you and supporting my favourite hobby as best as I can, but I'm also not blind to see what is going on in this industry. I still believe there's going to be a video game crash and this is the beginning of it, but this discussion is off-topic.
googleplex
Member
TitanFall: Sigma lands in the PS4 before summer. LOL
BrokenIcarus
Member
Wondering too. does it usually take this long?
Not really, I'm simply stating I believe it to be declining and, come 2015, I expect it to be down YoY again. I looked at your edited post and frankly launch sales have never meant much in the grand scheme of things, especially NPD launch sales. The only trend I've really been able to deduce from launch sales is that they increase dis-proportionally to regular sales from generation to generation.
IE, as a completely hypothetical example to illustrate what I'm saying the Xstation1 sells 50,000 on launch and goes on to sell 50 million world wide. The next generation Xstation2 sells 150,000 at launch, but goes on to sell 70 million world wide. 3x the launch sales but only 1.4x the total sales. How do you think the Dreamcast broke records at it's launch? How about the Xbox 360? The Gamecube was bigger than the N64 at launch too. Obviously neither the PS4 nor X1 are a dreamcast, but i'm simply saying that there's very little correlation between launch sales and final sales. The first test comes after the launch/holiday period and neither console passed with flying colours.
ambientmystic
Member
With no new solid numbers being given out in the thread, people are getting antsy and are mouthing off at each other lol.
Truth. "If I lose, everyone else must lose too". Rofl.
Truth. "If I lose, everyone else must lose too". Rofl.
Freeman
Banned
How did you come to that conclusion?
Wii sold little over 300k on its first January and the PS4 was fairly supply constrained in January (so was the wii probably).
February 22, save the date, if the PS4 is able reignite the Japanese market, the King is back, with a vengeance.
lyrick
Member
I'm guessing he like me was not expecting to see Software sales at their lowest point in readily available tracked history (10 years).
People can yell digital all they want, but that doesn't reserve shelf space at our nearby retailers.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Please find me these unsold PS4's.
plasmawave
Banned
It can take several days, all depends on when we get more figures (sold X% more units more than [something with known sales]) to crunch numbers with, or when Creamsugar shows up to give us estimates, pie charts, and rankings.
Owning multiple systems doesn't automatically make you not a fanboy.