Yeah, but I want more strange Japanese games. Someone buy that country some PCs.
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NPD Sales Results for January 2014 [Up3: PS4/XB1 #1/#2 best selling; Poke/SM3DW/ALBW]
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Yeah, but I want more strange Japanese games. Someone buy that country some PCs.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Maybe among a few titles.
Asset production seems to be the most consistent driver of increased development cost. And that's understandable given the expectations of buyers. Unless development pipelines change drastically in the move to higher end tech I don't see it getting particularly cheaper.
jiminycracken
Banned
But that doesn't explain why everybody's down, period. Fine MS and Nintendo messed up, and fine the PS4 isn't that easy to find, but last gen consoles are down, software sales are down, and it's really hard to believe that those who would've bought a next gen console outside of the PS4 if their favorite brand hadn't screwed up are all waiting for a PS4 to show up or that they can't bother to look for one (a friend of mine picked one up recently just by showing up to a GameStop when they opened).
I'm not a Nintendo fanboy trying to cover for the Wii U, I'm partial to Xbox but I'm not trying to cover for them (if the idiots hadn't looked too much into the future and try to recreate it now, imagine where they'll be...sigh) but I have to say one of two things is happening: all the casuals are moving to smartphones and tablets and all the hardcore are slowly moving to PC gaming, or gaming as a whole is just shrinking.
It's probably the former.
So we could compare its sales this year to PS2 2009:
January 101,200
February 131,000
March 112,000
April 172,000
May 117,000
June 152,700
July 108,000
August 105,900
September 146,000
October 117,800
November 203,100
December 333,200
Tough comparison though, since the PS2 was $99 by that point, I believe, but it also had been competing against the next generation for 2-3 years. Impressive that it was able to sell over 100k every month.
shinra-bansho
Member
For reference, these are the combined January hardware sales for Sony and Microsoft's platforms.
(am missing any 5-week months?)
This January currently stands at ~430K excluding the 360 and PS3.
Code:
Year '000s
2003 610
2004 530
2005 730
2006 610
2007 840 5 week month - normalised = 670K
2008 760
2009 610
2010 650
2011 670
2012 460
2013 480 5 week month - normalised = 385K(am missing any 5-week months?)
This January currently stands at ~430K excluding the 360 and PS3.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Network Effects are always a factor and if the PS4 gets a large early lead in the next year we will be seeing the tendency for it to keep it's lead because people want to play with their friends. This is one reason why the 360's head start helped it out so much against the PS3.
Read this thread and also some of the comments: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=726520
I wonder. It's sort of fixing the problem from the opposit end though, in that the indie scene grows more and more to fill the middle zone whereas almost the entire western big publisher scene moves away from that. Japan's better there though, but they'll also probably cling to the PS3 for an irrationally long time like they did PS2.
I would be interested to see some percentages on the average drop of console sales that are not supply constrained from December to January in relation to XBOX One. Because it was widely avaiable both months, it is hard to use other launches as markers because typically launches are supply constrained. PS4 drop is not comparable, nor is the first few years of Wii, or at least the first year of 360. Probably the first year of PS3 as well. If anyone has those numbers I would love to see just how bad that Xbox One drop was in comparison.
Yeah, even though the Xbox/PS discussion is entertaining, that is the thing people should really be concerned about.
That company is one more failed launch away from a hostile takeover by somebody who knows that the money to be made with those IPs is by putting them on Apple, Microsoft, and Sony devices. The days of marketing cruddy last gen hardware to grandmothers are over. They might be best served to spend their R&D war chest on health care devices and stuff only peripherally associated with gaming, because yes, the market does appear to be contracting to the point where it can no longer support 3 players.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
I think you need to check the budgets of some of the PS1/PS2 FF games.
Bububub.. but new IP!?
The only reasonable solution is to keep making bigger games so the buyers have higher expectations.
A lot of people bought into the PS360 generation thanks to CoD4. Not all those people will upgrade to the PS4/X1 any time soon, if at all. It is too soon to tell if the market is shrinking or not, but the X1 collapse in sales may not be a telling sign right now, but it isn't a great one either.
jiminycracken
Banned
Imperfected
Member
Lest we forget: last gen is eight years old. It's frankly amazing anyone is still buying consoles that old, period, much less with actual replacements for them on the market.
WonkyPanda
Member
This is, truly, the most troubling aspect of these numbers. All the inane fanboy banter aside, the industry is not looking too hot as a whole.
Exceptions don't make a rule.
Not to mention some of the companies making those AAA games on the HD consoles, like Ubisoft, made money off the Wii.
Aquamarine
Member
Patience, young grasshopper.
That doesn't include PS3 or 360, I'm sure they sold more than 30k combined.
shinra-bansho
Member
It will only be the lowest ever if the PS3 and 360 collectively sell less than 30K... :/
If they managed to sell combined somewhere in the realm of 170K then it's basically par for the course. Also normalising for the 5-week month, last year's number would be 385K.
maneil99
Member
I somehow doubt COD4 moved that many consoles, plus its not like these systems won't have their big games. X1 is still outpacing the 360 is it not
Combined sales of the PS4 and its predecessor, the PlayStation 3, surpassed all other platforms in January,
Their use of the word "platforms" makes it sound like PS4 + PS3 was greater than Xbox One + Xbox 360 and also greater still against Wii U + Wii (+3DS?).
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And_Gignac
Member
And 3DS sales numbers in Japan are way down too. Dark times for Nintendo.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Level set: Define "okay."
The Hermit
Member
a lot of people think the PS4 will be the new PS2, but everything is too expensive and everything is too safe for that to happen.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
Honestly, what else can they do for the 3DS at this point? It already got new Pokemons and Monster Hunters, what else can they do?
The AAA market needed to pop anyway. It's gotten completely unreasonable, probably the biggest reason average dev costs are also so unreasonable.
I get a sneaking suspicion this is a parody post.
Exactly. The success of Just Dance 1 on Wii funded the development of Assassin's Creed.
CoD4 was a major system-seller for the PS360 & now that franchise is in decline. Outpacing means nothing at this point because the X360 was limited in supply early on. The X1 is readily available at stores.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Really? I would say that you're not looking hard enough. The Last of Us, Rayman Legends, Diablo 3, Ni No Kuni, DmC, Dragon's Crown, Puppeteer, GT6, FFXIV, GoW:A, ToX, Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus, Sly 4.
There's a lot of variety out there.
boiled goose
good with gravy
games are there. they have to make the system itself more appealing.
Better online, better services, unified account, cheaper games, cheaper system, etc.
Metalingus5150
Member
What if we see the return of mid tier developers?
Oh, ok. Sounded funny like, "Oh, you were talking all that shit when you won the Super Bowl! Where you at now?!". Winners gloat, losers find scotch.
edit: I hope this lights a fire and MS takes a note from Sony and gets their shit in gear. Not from buying exclusives but from dumping money into development.
Define "okay" because a console with Wii Fit U being it's only retail release of the month isn't gonna shatter sales figures
Butts-a-plenty
Banned
Cow Goes Moo
Member
well it has smash bros
Are you fucking serious? PS3+360+PC market couldn't hold these guys' heads above the water: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459131
What do you think happens when dev costs rise again and market shrinks?
Randolph Freelander
Member
Drop the price, but otherwise nothing. They'll have a replacement for it sooner rather than later, anyway.
Gaf help me, i am scared. I just read like the first 10-12 pages or so... i didnt like what i read about the 3ds in usa. The thing is that, before that, i didnt like those threads about 3ds sales in japan in the begining of the year so...
any news in the rest of the thread that i didnt read!? thanks
any news in the rest of the thread that i didnt read!? thanks
There is no market for them anymore.
Really? Wow.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Biggest problem I see is that it's going to be a loooong time before indies start filling the enormous gap left by midtier games disappearing this last gen.
For me, at least, gaming is going to be a pretty boring place until that happens.
pieatorium
Member
lolwut Ascreed 1 released 2007, JD 1 was 2009
AstroNut325
Member
Oh god... I really wish I can find the Last of Us GIF where Joel is arrogant Sony who kills a bandit while saying Orbis will be $599.
You can almost make a song with these results. Like the Doublemint gum song. Double your framerate, double your resolution, it's the statement of the greatness of the Playstation 4.
You can almost make a song with these results. Like the Doublemint gum song. Double your framerate, double your resolution, it's the statement of the greatness of the Playstation 4.