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[allan-bh]

Amazing that people are saying that Sony is only ahead due to MS mistakes. Are ye for real?

This is some "PS4 has no games" type of stupidity

PlayStation is a bigger, more popular worldwide brand than Xbox simple as that.

The PS1, PS2 and now the PS4 destroyed the competition. Yes the mistakes of the PS3 era fucked them at the start but they ended up selling more worldwide than the 360 even though it launched a year later

It's called brand awareness.

I don't think that anyone here said that is the only reason, but is funny that you realize that mistakes with PS3 had an impact, but apparently has a problem when people talk about the effects of Microsoft mistakes on PS4 success.

Btw, PS3 > 360 WW is not a fact, there's no public data to prove.

 

[MisterR]

I don't think that anyone here said that is the only reason, but is funny that you realize that mistakes with PS3 had an impact, but apparently has a problem when people talk about the effects of Microsoft mistakes on PS4 success.

Btw, PS3 > 360 WW is not a fact, there's no public data to prove.

The 360 launched a year earlier. It was outsold worldwide by the PS3 every year on the market. Lifetime it is very close, thanks to that year advantage.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Come now, folk. Let's just give props where it is due.

Thank you for all that you have done for PS4, MS!

Sony should humble themselves and start showing appreciation to who brings them so much of their success.

 

[Kyoufu]

This gen will also show how remarkable the Sony turn around was with PS3.

How will it show that?

This gen only shows that PS3's turnaround was due to the significantly stronger PlayStation brand in the global market.

 

[On Demand]

So was the 225 115 number a good estimate?

Cream's oven must of broke.

 

[BlitzerRadic]

The major factor for the current level of PS4's success is not Sony, but Microsoft. Same thing can be said about 360's success, Sony did more for this than MS.

Of course Sony has its own merits (like MS had in the previous generation too).

lol that's like saying the major reason jordan scored so much was because no one could play defense.

 

[allan-bh]

The 360 launched a year earlier. It was outsold worldwide by the PS3 every year on the market. Lifetime it is very close, thanks to that year advantage.

False.

 

[psn]

Well done Sony. Now use some of that money to improve the download speeds. Still friggin 4mb/s max. On Origin for example the download is 6x faster with around 25mb/s.

 

[allan-bh]

lol that's like saying the major reason jordan scored so much was because no one could play defense.

It really isn't, think a little about.

 

[King_Moc]

Had MS done everything Sony did, they still didn't have a chance to win this Gen. With all of Sony's mistakes with the PS3, they still outsold the Xbox 360 every year worldwide. The Playstation brand is a worldwide brand. The Xbox One may have done better in the UK and US than they are, but worldwide the winner was decided before the generation started. MS mistakes helped turn it into a total blow out, but the result was always going to be the same, as far as the winner. Every gen that Sony hasn't had a total fuck up, they've completely dominated console sales. With them doing everything right with the PS4, that wasn't going to change.

Then Microsoft's mistake was not turning Xbox into a global brand, like Sony did with Playstation.

 

[sense]

I don't think that anyone here said that is the only reason, but is funny that you realize that mistakes with PS3 had an impact, but apparently has a problem when people talk about the effects of Microsoft mistakes on PS4 success.

Btw, PS3 > 360 WW is not a fact, there's no public data to prove.

there is no consistency with MS console sales to say it is their mistakes that cost them this gen. with ps3 you can say because ps1 and ps2 absolutely dominated and ps3 despite its huge screwups ended up with pretty respectable numbers. with ms it is just last gen they were successful and that too only in US and UK for the most part.

like a lot are saying PS is a stronger brand. all it takes is for them to not screw up and they are most likely going to win whether ms screws up or not doesn't matter. ms screwing up just made it a bigger and easier win for sony this time.

False.

i like how you say false but conveniently ignore that the stat is mostly accurate before new consoles came out

 

[onQ123]

If there is no change the end of this year will see PS4 with around a 25 million gap in sales vs Xbox One which will lead to PS4 getting more console exclusives & pushing the gap even wider.

Devs have to be looking at this trend & if your game comes out around Holiday 2017 that will be 70+ million PS4 vs maybe 30+ million Xbox One. With that type of sales gap it would be easy for Sony to grab a major exclusive.

Xbox One starting this year off selling less than it did last year even with a cheaper price & Halo 5 released on the console is not good. if there is no turn around MS is better off jumping to next gen or pushing Xbox One off as OEM to companies like Dell.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

To be honest, this could be a year where PS4 doesn't lose one month.

 

[allan-bh]

there is no consistency with MS console sales to say it is their mistakes that cost them this gen. with ps3 you can say because ps1 and ps2 absolutely dominated and ps3 despite its huge screwups ended up with pretty respectable numbers. with ms it is just last gen they were successful and that too only in US and UK for the most part.

like a lot are saying PS is a stronger brand. all it takes is for them to not screw up and they are most likely going to win whether ms screws up or not doesn't matter. ms screwing up just made it a bigger and easier win for sony this time.

I don't know about others but I'm not saying that Microsoft would win this gen, my only argument is that PS4 sales would be lower and XBO sales bigger.

Likely PS4 would be number one due to be a more global brand, but the race would be much more interesting to watch.

i like how you say false but conveniently ignore that the stat is mostly accurate before new consoles came out

I said is false simply because it is, what else do you want me to say? 360 outsold PS3 in 2008 and 2011.

 

[MisterR]

False.

Fine, the PS3 outsold the 360 for basically every meaningful year they were both on the market. The 360 has maybe scrapped in a few more crumbs since the new gen started.

 

[Obliterator]

If 2015 ends up being the peak year of this generation for the Xbox One that's really not a good look at all

 

[The Maverick]

How's Halo doing? Sorry if I'm late.

 

[Mpl90]

I seriously hope cream comes soon bringing enough goods to talk about.

 

[truth411]

I don't know about others but I'm not saying that Microsoft would win this gen, my only argument is that PS4 sales would be lower and XBO sales bigger.

Likely PS4 would be number one due to be a more global brand, but the race would be much more interesting to watch.




I said is false simply because it is, what else do you want me to say? 360 outsold PS3 in 2008 and 2011.

Not by much, your over emphasizing Xbox appeal outside of U.S. and U.K for that to be the case imo... Also M.S. didn't have a year head start so there not the defacto standard for multiplats. I wouldn't be much different.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Fine, the PS3 outsold the 360 for basically every meaningful year they were both on the market. The 360 has maybe scrapped in a few more crumbs since the new gen started.

I think a better way to say it is the PS3 sold at a faster rate than the 360.

 

[Intrigue]

How will it show that?

This gen only shows that PS3's turnaround was due to the significantly stronger PlayStation brand in the global market.

What other console came out and was behind but end up on par or better?

 

[joecanada]

the short memories here are hilarious. Sony has been a global brand in video games for decades.
You aren't going to hit a home run every single time, ps3 was simply an ambitious media box that the average consumer wasn't willing to pay for ...its not a "fuckup" its not "arrogant" it was just a miscalculation of the market. and there was a cheap alternative in 360 at the time and a wii which people also wanted so competition was there as well.

Now they are still doing what they always do.

 

[slavesnyder]

Would the PS4 have sold less if MS would have built a better console with better vision, marketing and without mandatory kinect and a fucked up launch? I'd say yes.
Nevertheless it's childish to downplay the achievement that lies in doing next to everything right.
It seems that it's no easy task to make and market a console.

 

[TalonJH]

I prefer my PS to my XB but I honestly always figured PS sales would be the one slowing.

 

[stryke]

How's Halo doing? Sorry if I'm late.

You can probably dig that information from last month. Doubt it's changed much in January.

 

[onQ123]

The major factor for the current level of PS4's success is not Sony, but Microsoft. Same thing can be said about 360's success, Sony did more for this than MS.

Of course Sony has its own merits (like MS had in the previous generation too).

People went crazy for the PS4 in February 2013 before Xbox One showed it's hand. PS4 was going to be successful even without Xbox One mishaps.


PlayStation consoles was selling 100 million units from the start how silly can you be to think that Xbox One is the reason for PS4 success?

Xbox 360 was on the market by it's self for a year PS3 had to go head to head with the Wii & they both caught up to the Xbox 360 even with a year head start & more competition. The PS3 also had a higher entrance price.

If you're gonna spin things at least give Wii U some of the credit because Nintendo console had the biggest fall from last gen not Xbox which is actually selling better this gen than it did last gen.

 

[Jarod McChicken]

Don't want to feed the endless what if debate, but we really shouldn't forget the notion of momentum across the end of a generation and the following one.

I don't think it's necessary to recall the respective lineup of PS3 and Xbox 360 in 2013, is it ? The PS3 end cycle has been a way better launching pad to PS4 and inspired a lot of confidence to consumers.

Microsoft early dumb politics made noise between hardcore users on the web, but for me it's far from being a decisive factor to explain the situation we are in now.

 

[Freeman]

To be honest, this could be a year where PS4 doesn't lose one month.

What needs to happen for Xbox to win a month at this point, when would that be? A slim model maybe?

 

[CMojicaAce]

We miss you Aqua!

 

[CosmicQueso]

the short memories here are hilarious. Sony has been a global brand in video games for decades.

So have the other console producing companies.

You aren't going to hit a home run every single time

Sure

ps3 was simply an ambitious media box that the average consumer wasn't willing to pay for

Replace "PS3" with "Xbox One" or "Wii U" or "Dreamcast". Replace "media box" with other terminology.

...its not a "fuckup" its not "arrogant" it was just a miscalculation of the market.

Can be applied to every other company with a disappointing product.

and there was a cheap alternative in 360 at the time and a wii which people also wanted so competition was there as well.

Replace with the competitive products that performed better than the Xbox One, Wii U, Dreamcast, Jaguar, etc.

Now they are still doing what they always do.

Which is what, exactly? Continuing to compete in a competitive market? Not sure what your point is here.

None of these companies are particularly special. They're all doing the same thing in terms of fighting in the market. Some win, some lose. Who's going to win next gen? What does next gen even look like? Who's even competing? Get a dartboad out, put company logos on it, throw a dart at it, and whatever picture that dart hits is just as likely to be the market leader next gen as any other on the board.

I seriously hope cream comes soon bringing enough goods to talk about.

Way too much fuckery for that to happen soon. Commentary on twitter posts and post history accusations.

 

[noobie]

So no pie today also.

 

[Freeman]

Sony lucked out they made the better console, had MS done better or Sony done worse then Xbox would've done better and the PS4 would've done worse.

 

[allan-bh]

People went crazy for the PS4 in February 2013 before Xbox One showed it's hand. PS4 was going to be successful even without Xbox One mishaps.

PlayStation consoles was selling 100 million units from the start how silly can you be to think that Xbox One is the reason for PS4 success?

Xbox 360 was on the market by it's self for a year PS3 had to go head to head with the Wii & they both caught up to the Xbox 360 even with a year head start & more competition. The PS3 also had a higher entrance price.

If you're gonna spin things at least give Wii U some of the credit because Nintendo console had the biggest fall from last gen not Xbox with is actually selling better this gen than it did last gen.

I agree that PS4 would have good sales, but would not have the current level of success if was competing against a more appealing Xbox One.

So simple, Sony playing well and Microsoft mistakes combined led to the current situation.

 

[truth411]

What needs to happen for Xbox to win a month at this point, when would that be? A slim model maybe?

The thing is, they are both using an AMD APU, if M.S. can shrink to a 14nm die then so can Sony. Heck it's probably easier for Sony than M.S.

 

[hawk2025]

Substitute products shift market share as one turns out disappointing and/or the other impresses.


More news at 11.



You guys are discussing effects that work in the same direction and can't really be separated. Spending so much energy in this is utterly pointless.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I don't think it's necessary to recall the respective lineup of PS3 and Xbox 360 in 2013, is it ? The PS3 end cycle has been a way better launching pad to PS4 and inspired a lot of confidence to consumers.

Hence why I wasn't all that surprised at MS's TV focus during the XB1's reveal. The DRM policy, though, was what surprised me. It was hard to believe that MS thought they would get away with it without a lot of flak.

 

[onQ123]

I agree that PS4 would have good sales, but would not have the current level of success if was competing against a more appealing Xbox One.

So simple, Sony playing well and Microsoft mistakes combined led to the current situation.

Again Xbox One is selling better than Xbox 360 at this time in it's life cycle but Wii U is selling way worse than Wii was selling, so how do you out of nowhere give credit to Xbox One for PS4 success?

 

[AmaterasuOni]

To be honest, this could be a year where PS4 doesn't lose one month.

Judging from the recent news about Xbone exclusive games going to PC also, this could be the first year PS4 wins every month for many years to come.

 

[allan-bh]

Again Xbox One is selling better than Xbox 360 at this time in it's life cycle but Wii U is selling way worse than Wii was selling, so how do you out of nowhere give credit to Xbox One for PS4 success?

Basically you're saying that Xbox One could not sell more than it sells today under any circumstances.

 

[Bgamer90]

Judging from the recent news about Xbone exclusive games going to PC also, this could be the first year PS4 wins every month for many years.

This makes no sense considering the PS4 is winning months thanks to it being a system with popular AAA multiplats --many of which are also available on PC.

The exclusive game news isn't going to change much. PS4's success in America shows very clearly that most console gamers don't care about PC gaming.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

This makes no sense considering the PS4 is winning months thanks to it being a system with popular AAA multiplats (FYI -- many of which are also available on PC).

The exclusive game news isn't going to change much. PS4's success in America shows very clearly that most console gamers don't care about PC gaming.

We shall see. I at least see the new progress as Microsoft saying "screw this guys, we're going home" and they dump the whole box. At least here in Finland it's the Xbox exclusives that sell those few Bones, PS4 is selling well because it's more powerful and has more/interesting games.

 

[Elandyll]

Sony lucked out they made the better console, had MS done better or Sony done worse then Xbox would've done better and the PS4 would've done worse.

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Brilliant.

(I assume it's a parody post)

 

[Bgamer90]

We shall see. I at least see the new progress as Microsoft saying "screw this guys, we're going home" and they dump the whole box.

I see it as the opposite. They want the console to continue on getting solid games in the future and one way to support those solid games coming is to release them on PC.

This + the upcoming bundle + the deals they have alongside the game (free copy with pre-order) is (in my opinion) the complete opposite of saying "screw this".

I agree that they are saying "screw this" in terms of Xbox One catching up to PS4 worldwide sales but in terms of game support for the Xbox One? No way. These plans will help the system continue on having content for people who only care about console gaming.

Here in Finland it's the Xbox exclusives that sell those few Bones, PS4 is selling good because it's more powerful and has more/interesting games.

Hasn't Finland always been a heavy PlayStation territory (even during the PS3 gen)?

 

[AgentOtaku]

Whoa!!!

RS:Siege got some legs!

 

[jayu26]

Sony lucked out they made the better console, had MS done better or Sony done worse then Xbox would've done better and the PS4 would've done worse.

Logic checks out. Preach brother Freeman...

 

[onQ123]

Basically you're saying that Xbox One could not sell more than it sells today under any circumstances.

I'm saying that Wii U selling less than Wii is a fact , Xbox One selling better than Xbox 360 is a fact , PlayStation consoles being successful before Xbox came into the picture is a fact . Xbox One somehow creating PS4's success is not a fact & something you're adding up in your head with no real numbers to back up your claim only thoughts & dreams of what could have been.

Things could be worse for Xbox One if they went with a more powerful console without Kinect & the TV stuff remember the Xbox that got crushed by the PS2 even though it was a lot more powerful but couldn't play DVD's out of the box without buying the media kit?

is that good enough for you or do we still want to live in dreamland where anything could happen & facts are useless?

 

[Intrigue]

Hasn't Finland always been a heavy PlayStation territory (even during the PS3 gen)?

Safe bet is : Every country outside UK/US

 

[Bgamer90]

Safe bet is : Every country outside UK/US

Definitely feel the same but I didn't want to state something I didn't know 100% as a fact.

 

[Intrigue]

Definitely feel the same but I didn't want to state something I didn't know 100% as a fact.

I guess this gen its different tho:

Every country leaning sony is safe bet right now.

 

[KillerMan91]

How will it show that?

This gen only shows that PS3's turnaround was due to the significantly stronger PlayStation brand in the global market.

And because Sony was willing to burn billions of dollars to turn around the console. I mean now they are reaping the profits by keeping PS3 competitive (it kept the brand awareness high and gave them good momentum to this gen) but not every company would have been willing to burn that much money to achieve this. Financially PS3 still remains the second biggest fail in console history (after original Xbox).

Hasn't Finland always been a heavy PlayStation territory (even during the PS3 gen)?

Yep. We went from PS2 being the leading console to PS3 being leading console. DS never lead here (outside of Pokemon boom handhelds have never been that popular here). Wii was right behind PS3 during its best years and of course X360 also did a lot better than original Xbox. Xbox One is pretty much non factor here (as are WiiU and 3DS). It's pretty much all about PS4 and PC nowadays.