JDSN said:Speaking of which, how is Halo Wars doing?
For the sake of fanboy lulz it's still beating KZ2 according to leaked numbers.
JDSN said:Speaking of which, how is Halo Wars doing?
Maybe you don't.Patriotsbball5460 said:we dont no the true numbers anymore since they stopped charting after march
AceBandage said:I'd say about on par with the budget of a Suda game. I mean, the engine was developed over time with their various license games, and the assets are pretty low. The biggest part of their budget was probably hiring Kevin Sorbo and the guy from Cheap Trick.
Patriotsbball5460 said:I'd still go out on a limb and say killzone's legs have been longer than halo wars, we dont no the true numbers anymore since they stopped charting after march
bhhawks78 said:For the sake of fanboy lulz it's still beating KZ2 according to leaked numbers.
Angeles said:wait till you see Virtua Tennis sales and you will understand the true meaning of bomba,poor Sega.
ksamedi said:How well did GTA DS do BTW. I kind of expect it to have very long legs.
speculawyer said:Really? What was that?
And why are XBLA points selling so hot on Amazon.com? They are selling at the same price Microsoft charges so I don't understand why people buy them at amazon where they then have to enter that long annoying code.
About the same as Cooking Mama 2, since we are making hilarious spins right now.ksamedi said:How well did GTA DS do BTW. I kind of expect it to have very long legs.
You can continue to make excuses for all the games you like. Some of the excuses are pretty valid. It doesn't matter though. From a publisher's perspective, it's a pretty clear picture.AceBandage said:Not really.
Seems every game and genre has been completely case by case, and not cut and dry at all.
All we know is some first party games sell, and some third party games sell.
We don't know how quickly they sell, or what their ceiling is.
AniHawk said:What.
Patriotsbball5460 said:what? wheres the actual numbers?
Killzone 2 sold like 200-300 more than Halo wars but Halo 3 sold over DOUBLE of what Killzone 2 sold for this monthPatriotsbball5460 said:I'd still go out on a limb and say killzone's legs have been longer than halo wars, we dont no the true numbers anymore since they stopped charting after march
Patriotsbball5460 said:So thats why they've been giving away so many copies of that over twitter...
Danthrax said:okay look before you all freak out, please consider the following:
- wait for the word of mouth to spread
- it only had 9 days in NPD (didn't ship early; wasn't in stores until 24th)
- there was not enough marketing
- it's a Wii game, it'll have long legs
- the video game media is biased against the Wii and didn't properly cover Conduit
- there may have been confusion caused by delays (from May to late June in the U.S.; from late June to mid-July in Europe)
- Sega of America changed CEOs a week before Conduit's launch, which disrupted the company's ability to properly advertise and distribute the title may have been poor it IS Sega
- the commercials aired late at night on channels no one watches
- the reviews didn't come out soon enough before the release date
- GamePro spread disinformation and FUD in its review on release day
- GiantBomb also spread disinformation and FUD in its review
Rhindle said:You can continue to make excuses for all the games you like. Some of the excuses are pretty valid. It doesn't matter though. From a publisher's perspective, it's a pretty clear picture.
Supposedly somebody figured out that they could run fake credit cards through Amazon and get codes issued before Amazon confirmed the charges. The codes then showed up for $30 on ebay and through wholesalers.speculawyer said:Really? What was that?
And why are XBLA points selling so hot on Amazon.com? They are selling at the same price Microsoft charges so I don't understand why people buy them at amazon where they then have to enter that long annoying code.
AniHawk said:know
Angeles said:That is false
Snipes424 said:I don't understand a lot of people in this thread. Do you seriously enjoy when games sell very poorly? Are you people fucking demented?
This has to be some of the most pathetic shit I've ever seen.
Patriotsbball5460 said:I'd still go out on a limb and say killzone's legs have been longer than halo wars, we dont no the true numbers anymore since they stopped charting after march
Andrex said:It has plenty of pretty effects but at it's core it's pretty much a PS2 game engine. Going by dev tech alone, Conduit was probably pretty cheap to make. The costliest aspect of The Conduit was probably all the advertising Sega poured into it.
Kittonwy said:Would the conduit have been better reviewed had it been on the 360 or the PS3 looking like it did and with the same maps and online set up that it did? It's not a huge surprise that the conduit didn't sell, it's an unknown IP made by a no-name developer, and it really didn't seem like it had a hook or something that really stood out.
markatisu said:And yet the commercials still keep running despite being a super bomba, guess SEGA likes throwing away money.
I would imagine the game was cheap enough to make since they were going to try and publish it themselves before SEGA hooked them up.
Narag said:Bad games should sell poorly. Its incentive for devs to provide content worth the price.
amtentori said:before you go any further....
he gets full npd numbers
bhhawks78 said:Double checked you're right by a few hundred...lol the real question for KZ 2 is will it even outsell Halo 3 or Cod 4 in 2009? They both are catching up by 40k+ a month
It should be 190-200k at this point, shouldn't it?ksamedi said:How well did GTA DS do BTW. I kind of expect it to have very long legs.
Wait, did Sega put the ads before Conduit was released or after?markatisu said:And yet the commercials still keep running despite being a super bomba, guess SEGA likes throwing away money.
I would imagine the game was cheap enough to make since they were going to try and publish it themselves before SEGA hooked them up.
It isn't a bad game by any means, it is however a bland and plain mediocre game.Snipes424 said:Is Conduit really a "bad" game? Or when Valkyria Chronicles sold poorly, I saw people happy about it. It's just plain fucking sad.
Snipes424 said:Is Conduit really a "bad" game? Or when Valkyria Chronicles sold poorly, I saw people happy about it. It's just plain fucking sad.
bhhawks78 said:Double checked you're right by a few hundred...lol the real question for KZ 2 is will it even outsell Halo 3 or Cod 4 in 2009? They both are catching up by 40k+ a month
Which are multiplat games and not nearly hyped from the fanbase like infamous was. As I said, exclusives aren't anymore what they used to be: in the past, it looked like great hardcore fans hype for a game could be easily reflected in great public sales, while today it isn't like this anymore.DeadGzuz said:Normalize by the install base and inFamous did around Prototype+Red Faction on 360.
amtentori said:before you go any further....
he gets full npd numbers
AniHawk said:Or I could be making shit up. I've been known to do that.
Arde5643 said:It isn't a bad game by any means, it is however a bland and plain mediocre game.
VC truly didn't deserve those sales though.
Angeles said:But KZ2 is the ultimate leading superior game unless play the sales not the game
EmCeeGramr said:It should be 190-200k at this point, shouldn't it?
Patriotsbball5460 said:You could have just told me that from the beginning, lol
Arde5643 said:Wait, did Sega put the ads before Conduit was released or after?
And if after, when did they start showing the ads?
AniHawk said:Or I could be making shit up. I've been known to do that.
Angeles said:But KZ2 is the ultimate leading superior game unless play the sales not the game
Shiggy said:The fad is ending
Fair enough, but when I say "long term view" I'm not borrowing from a press release, although it may sound like something out of one. It's more about my vague insubstantial feeling from comparing the software releases (and other things) between a company like Activision and a company like EA. I'll admit I'm not one to read over annual reports, I tend to skip to the cliff notes in those threads, and then promptly forget the cliff notes and go and play games.Opiate said:Yes, I'm looking from a business perspective. Make no mistake: any discussion of "long term view" is largely corporate speak. It's probably not completely insubstantial, but mostly so.
laserbeam said:Conduit Ads started shortly before release and are still airing. So there has to be some sort of turn around on investment otherwise Sega would have yanked that plug in a heartbeat. US+EU Sales may be doing good for them hard to say
AniHawk said:Or more.
GTA:SA PS2 > KZ2 > Halo WarsJDSN said:Speaking of which, how is Halo Wars doing?
AniHawk said:It's also possible I know exactly what I'm talking about and I'm not jerking people around.
Interesting, FPS games usually aren't the type of games to have any legs (unless you're Halo), so it'll be interesting to track Conduit's movement in the next month to see if it actually has legs or performs as expected from a typical FPS game trend.laserbeam said:Conduit Ads started shortly before release and are still airing. So there has to be some sort of turn around on investment otherwise Sega would have yanked that plug in a heartbeat. US+EU Sales may be doing good for them hard to say
Narag said:Sales thread.