Ninja Scooter
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newsflash: The Wii U is an unmitigated disaster. That ship done sailed.
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NPD Sales Results for June 2014 [Up3: All Hardware (June/LTD), Top 10 Software SKUs]
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newsflash: The Wii U is an unmitigated disaster. That ship done sailed.
Fox Mulder
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but it is a disaster. The wiiu will still have great games, but the DC did too.
Subtervotion
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I'm from NA, so I didn't realize it was that Sony-centric. Interesting.
well pretty much, yeah. if you disagree, then please show me your ideas.
i just think that following the standard rise and fall of a platform, the wii u is seeing a peak year this year, and that it will start declining in 2015. the only way this doesn't happen is if suddenly the wii u is actually really popular for some yet unforeseen reason, like splatoon becoming the best game of all-time or amiibos being the new toys that sweep the nation.
I meant if console hardware sales had dropped like a rock earlier than it would have in a typical generation which is normally 5-6 years, unless you have evidence to the contrary. From my understanding, you gave me software support dropping like a rock. We all know how Nintendo is in regards to third-party support. It doesn't matter if the Wii's successor was out after five years because this was a longer generation than the norm and those who bought the Wii might have moved on to the PS3 or 360 after 5 to 6 years because they wanted a better experience.
lwilliams3
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What are Wii U's numbers WW at this time?
the problem with europe is that the wii u has sold only about 1.5m units to retailers as of last march. optimistically, that number could be around 1.7m right now. selling 4m units in europe puts it close to the gamecube's 4.77m number. it will be tough to do that.
there were about 900 million units of software sold on the wii with roughly 500m units of that coming from third-parties. 500m units is the entirety of what was published on the nes, for reference.
theprodigy
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Europe is 3 and Japan is 4, read properly AniHawk
(that being said I find the latter two somewhat optimistic anyway)
Europe is 3 and Japan is 4, read properly AniHawk
(that being said I find the latter two somewhat optimistic anyway)
then that 4 is an even more optimistic number. 4m is what the gamecube did in japan.
Fox Mulder
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just dance sold well. The Wikipedia list of best selling Wii games is dominated by nintendos titles.
Ubisoft did really well with Just Dance, and there was a variety of third party games that sold around around 1m- 2m (GH, Sonic, Epic Mickey, CoD, Resident Evil 4). Nothing too outstanding considering what Nintendo software was pushing, but it was an additional source of revenue for third parties that doesn't really exist this time around.
Yeah but 90% of those third party sales were from shovelware games and not epic AAA games so it doesn't count. For reasons.
What were the sales of the top third party games? Guitar Heros, Just Dance did great. Anyone have a top ten?
*looks at Aquamarine*
I do not think all of the casuals are lost.Nothing in the home console market appeals to most of the casuals that would be interested in buying a console so they left to the mobile/tablet market since it appeals to them.
gundamkyoukai
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Gens don't have a set time per say , 5 or 6 years is the norm since that was what Sony at the time chose best for them .
Still even then Sony was market leader during the PS2 gen but DC started it and MS end it and started last gen and Xbox was only out for 4 years .
Wii fail to do what other consoles did which was sell either hardware or software after 5 years and keep momentum in some way and that was down to Nintendo not having any planing .
It never happen to other consoles makers because they knew better than to wait so long to bring out a successor when they saw signs of there current consoles failing .
theprodigy
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Japan is also the one territory that it's somewhat close in at least, unlike the US or WW *cough*
TrafalgarLaw
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Is it safe to say XB1 is bombing?
Chobel
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Aquamarine
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Well, answer the following question: is it consistently performing at 2013 Wii U levels?
If the answer to that is "no," then no, it's not.
For what MS has planned for the system, hell yes. Compared to Wii U, nope.
depends if you want the us or worldwide sales. just dance 2 did about 6m in the us (just dance 3 wasn't far behind). i don't know about worldwide sales for either.
also in the us, there were eight other games above two million, two of which were guitar hero games and two of which were also just dance games. then there are another 20 games that sold over a million on the system over here.
Mikey Jr.
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Was the 360 bombing when compared to the Wii?
The Xbone isn't bombing. But, unless by some chance the tides turn, they won't be the market leader this generation. That looks to be the PS4.
Mind you, it is still very early in the generation, but the PS4 has the momentum behind it.
And 2015 looks to be pretty big for the PS4 in terms of games.
Sony made some very smart partnerships with Watchdogs and Destiny. Those seem to be paying off. Coupled by the fact that Titanfall didn't do as well as MS had hoped for moving lots of hardware.
For one thing: Wii U may last 7 years, not four like the GC. It has all the power needed and then some to host Nintendo games in a framework they can master for their franchises, building assets they can reuse in the perspective of a convergence with their future handheld.
You are also underestimating Mario Kart 8, making the assumption its sales are front loaded. As for that, the Mario Kart Wii bundle did happen. It was the second biggest system seller Wii had, and unlike Wii Sports, MK8 is a phenomenon that has seemingly kept its appeal and I believe, its audience.
Yes Amiibos will have an impact, if anything: increasing Nintendo profits, leveraging Wii U's NFC feature on the GamePad, so that they can afford to give a long exposure to their evergreen titles, despite less software sold. Another reason that explains my first paragraph estimation.
the ps4's current performance is more comparable to the 360 or original xbox than the wii or ps2. likewise, the xbox one is more like the gamecube.
Whipped Spartan
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Thought the same thing. And they touted how it was their biggest game launch ever. Smh
I wish we got the detailed data monthly still. This was best npd thread in half a decade.
Welfare
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No way. Until it sells <100k consistently (like another console), it is not bombing. The One does have an issue with getting last gen users to convert, while Sony is doing way better in that regard.
I'd say it is doing "OK" right now.
I think this is a reasonable estimate based on what we currently know, and I can't see where a surprise will come from. I see emerging markets adopting either PC or mobile based on current trends, Japan has certainly adopted mobile and even that region, despite its sad state, still ties with the rest of the world in your estimate. I have said years ago that the console game industry was threatening to end up like the superhero comic book industry during the Dark Age and it looks like it might be happening.
theprodigy
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I've been used to be called that since the DS days, don't worry.
Gotdatmoney
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7 years is still crazy by any metric. Nintendo has no third party support "now". How on earth are they going to look 2 years from now let alone 5 when PS4/X1 development will be either deep into the gen or the next gen systems from MS and Sony will be gearing up? Nintendo will run the WiiU for 4-5 years. Anymore would be market suicide.
how did you determine the Wii U would last seven years, even while performing significantly worse than Gamecube, even while continually losing Nintendo money (unlike GCN)? I mean it could I suppose, I'm just trying to see your internal logical expressly spelled out. For posterity.
Once again it's time to put on that thinking cap marc^o^ and draw out your internal logic to its actual reasonable conclusions. You have now somehow been able to conclude that Mario Kart 8 is a "phenomenon" (selling 885,000 units LTD or something so far, by the way - a "phenomenon" nonetheless) that has seemingly kept its audience in these two months with greater strength than Wii Sports. I mean you're comparing now the game that literally defined what made the Wii so unique and was pretty much the de facto tech demo that informed the rest of the generation for Nintendo (I can't even seriously start a sales or impact comparison without busting out laughing hysterically here) with the appeal to yet another (admittedly good looking) version of Mario Kart that can't even lift the Wii U to sales numbers that aren't still complete dogshit.
The conclusions you keep drawing would be remarkable if they weren't so distressingly outrageous. There literally seems to be almost no forethought at all to some of your theories now. Even the simplest flick tumbles down your carefully constructed house of cards.
yeah a couple of quaint toys with no core unifying game brilliantly aimed once more at the now so obviously incredibly huge Nintendo hobbyist fanbase who as we can see have already made the Wii U a raging success are really going to change the trajectory for Wii U's doomed flight
yeah this is definitely going to happen
What do you mean by that? Could you elaborate it for me?
makingmusic476
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You've still got the PS4 only outselling the XB1 2:1 in Europe, which would require something major swings in momentum to happen. Maybe take 5m from XB1 and add it to PS4?
And I'd be so sad if the Wii U only did 11m. =(
They will make Wii U a console you buy as the main Nintendo box, with their full library since the gameboy days, with as much indie games as possible. At one point their userbase will be big enough to get back some publishers on board, line Ubisoft or EA, on few titles that don't rely on graphics or cinematic experiences. I don't believe Nintendo will make their future choices on big 3rd party AAA games. I don.t believe that like, AT ALL.
i think that'd represent a major collapse of the xbox brand in europe. i think i'll leave things where they are.
Open Source
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You had a nice run, consoles.
I highly doubt it will sell that much when it's discontinued. It will sell over 15 million most likely. Maybe even 20+million.
They better start. Because as everyone with any business sense is now aware, Nintendo's own brands are not strong enough to endlessly prop up their own systems. They either need a gimmick to add something the others don't (a gimmick people actually care about), or they need that third party support back.
Without either, they're straight fucked. Ergo, Wii U.
theprodigy
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er, they're not really doing well at all in Europe (no, this does not mean that Wii U, in its weakest territory, is doing better than it though *cough*)
Nice post/prediction. I predicted a few months ago that overall console sales for this gen will be...
10% = Wii U
35% = Xbox One
55% = PS4
Your numbers seem to be close to that so I can agree with your prediction. We'll see what happens as these years go by.
Imru al-Qays
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That's not really true, though. The PS4 has up to this point outsold both the adjusted sales of the Wii and the PS2. You can argue that things aren't quite that rosy because of the extremely frontloaded sales, but it's not at all clear that that's the case.
It's good you changed "insulted" to "mocked", because I didn't call you crazy. But your theories are undeniably insane. And they are getting more insane by the second. Your theories get proportionately more insane the worse Nintendo is doing, I notice.
I don't know why it's so difficult for you to just admit your Nintendo obsession and clear preference is clouding your ability to analyze this situation. There's no shame in it, and it is clearly the case.
gundamkyoukai
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The numbers you have show more of a collapse of the consoles market than the X box brand in EU
If you add your numbers together for EU you get 48 million EU sales .
Imru’ al-Qays;121802608 said:
i think if everyone was fine and dandy with the extremely frontloaded sales, microsoft wouldn't have felt it necessary to drop kinect so their console was as much as sony's. what i meant by 'current performance' was monthly sales, not lifetime to date sales. lifetime to date sales indicate some sort of phenomenon for two of the best-selling consoles of all-time, but monthly sales show a very different picture.
i'm predicting sort of bad news for everywhere. like north america going from about 110m consoles sold to 65m. even japan's getting cut down to 10m from 24m.
That's why I changed the word and thanked you, your previous post was less insulting than usual. No word of religion fanatic were expressed by you at that time. It looks like you can't help it though: it's coming.
For the posterity as you say, there's a logic in what I just described. It's no less insane than the GC technology being repackaged in a wii to last 10 jears. Nintendo has everything in the box in Wii U. Online, HD, controls.
Your theory is they should go back to square 1. Mine is, they need to execute their vision with what they have. With a great execution, the one we are looking at now. Insane.
It's like I said of myself marc^o^, I'm not tossing you under any bus I'm not willing myself to admit to. My analysis of DS success relative to PSP, for example, was incorrect, and it was incorrect very directly because my preference for PSP over DS clouded my ability to correctly judge where the market was at back then, and to hold onto that idea that the PSP would wow people eventually and win the day far longer than I otherwise would have held onto it. That was because I genuinely thought one was a better console for making games on it, but that doesn't change that my bias was clouding my ability to analyze the situation.
The precise same thing is true of the Wii U for you.