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NPD Sales Results for May 2010
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[Nintex] said:
It's really too bad. Sony should have pushed a new marketing campaign with significant price cuts earlier. The software lineup is hawt: MGS Peace Walker, Persona 3, God of War: Ghost of Sparta, Valkyria Chronicles 2, Kingdom Hearts, Patapon 3, God Eater, Knights in the Nightmare, Y's, a new Monster Hunter...Lots of great software to look forward to. So sad.
FirstInHell
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Are we still blaming the poor PS3 sales on shortages?
truly101 said:
I think it's less of an issue of market than current position: Nintendo has always been pretty fiscally well off (even in the dark days of the Gamecube), while Sony's game division has been bleeding money for years. I'm sure there is/was a pretty lengthy debate at Sony about how much it was really worth to fight the 3DS with a PSP2.
It's more than that though. As other people have pointed out, the PSP's retail presence is pretty much nonexistent in most stores (DS gets a full row of shelves at my local Best Buy, PSP gets a small rack by the PS2 games and half the space is for UMD movies no one buys), and it's not as if PSP hasn't gotten quality, big name games before.
Metal Gear Solid? Sure, it'll likely help. Valkyria Chronicles and Parasite Eve?...eh, wouldn't bet the farm on it.
From Nintendo:
http://press.nintendo.com/articles.jsp?id=24327
Have to think about where this puts Alan Wake...
Ah, I see. The difference is special editions of Alan Wake? So without special editions, Alan Wake is less than 141K and with special editions it is more than 141K...
chespace said:
I think Sony has figured out who to market the PS3 to and what the PS3 is, as opposed to what they wanted it to be or insisted it was. Thats why I think the PS3 has hit true viability and is now a money maker. The PSP is still at the cross roads between DS competitor or Iphone/ wireless gadget competitor. It doesn't have a real identity with either market or casual or hardcore gamers.
Jive Turkey
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What's the story behind it?Y2Kev said:
truly101 said:
Yeah, but why market the potential of the console to your core who undoubtedly already own your console and is simply hungry for more ammo to sink the competition on forums and youtube?
It seems to be a strategy derived from console war tactics.
Yeah, I got tripped up. Nintendo does single SKU rankings, so their list is different from NPDs.azentium said:
NPD list: all versions combined
Nintendo list: versions split up
So the number Nintendo cited is for Wii Fit Plus with Board. That excludes Wii Fit Plus SOFTWARE ONLY.
Chozo said:
Nintendo is fiscally well off because its dominated the handheld market, and the handheld market has historically not been healthy for more than one competitor. There wasn't a game gear II, a Lynx II, a WonderSwan II ( though I guess the color version counts maybe) The various Apple and Smart phone like gadgets have muddied that water even more making it harder for Sony to market the PSP as a portable media device. The console market has supported two or more competitors since the NES days, there is more room for multi console ownership I suppose
A new PSP is not necessarily a bad idea but they are going to have to be incredibly smart on what it offers, the price point and who to sell it to.
Sometimes I don't get you. You're one of the better (IMO) poster here, but you have this blind spot in the NPD threads. What do you think Sony has to do to keep from continually losing ground to its competitors each month?DMeisterJ said:
I think it has more to do with Nintendo not having to sell their hardware at a loss.truly101 said:
AceBandage
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markatisu said:
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Rainier said:
3D MAN!
chespace said:
Thats easy. You get the core excited about the product, they tell their friends. Now that image is more readily available due to the agressive marketing campaign. They're also not giving up on the 360 crowd that hey, a PS3 is still a cool second console. If the product has a positive atmosphere that resonates with the target audience, regardless of the overlap of their core consumers, those people are more likely to buy it. Its sort of like the "Play it Loud" campaign for the SNES. They were really just reminding gamers who were already familiar with Nintendo, that the SNES could be cool like the Genesis. Lets pull out a spine in MKII while listening to the Butthole Surfers.
AceBandage
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Boney said:
Well, it is still technically getting quality games, it's just... who are they selling too?
So, it's not technically dead. It's not technically alive. Basically, it just is.
AceBandage
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AniHawk said:
Yes!
But, without the handle of power.
Flying_Phoenix
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The real headline behind this NPD is the PSP IMO.
The system is literally fucking dead, D-E-A-D in North America. From what I've heard it's doing similar in Europe, and is holding it's own in Japan, a country with highly mediocre software sales to the point that the U.K. alone surpasses it. The system needs a Nintendogs type killer game or it's buried.
Now since SONY couldn't somehow create a gaming system that would have been profitable right off the bat and make up the R & D early throughout its lifecycle (like a certain other company does) they completely screwed themselves in the handheld space.
There are always two core goals when launching a gaming platform:
1) To achieve profit or progress toward reaching a long term goal of profiting.
2) To finish the generation well to make a smooth transition to the next platform.
SONY did great at #1, but did horrible at #2. I've never seen anything quite like this in the gaming space. The portable gaming market is about to blow up and it seems that SONY just threw their easy shot away. I know that the company is having problems now, but certainly they could have still at least managed to create a profitable product at launch that could have generated a steady stream of revenue. Hell I could even argue that it's more important for SONY to create a successor to the PSP then it is for them to do so for the PS3. Either there's something chaotic going up in SONYland that we don't know about or they are drinking some hardcore SEGA Kool-Aid.
EDIT - Also damn are software sales low. Iwata was really onto something when he was commenting on the industry.
The system is literally fucking dead, D-E-A-D in North America. From what I've heard it's doing similar in Europe, and is holding it's own in Japan, a country with highly mediocre software sales to the point that the U.K. alone surpasses it. The system needs a Nintendogs type killer game or it's buried.
Now since SONY couldn't somehow create a gaming system that would have been profitable right off the bat and make up the R & D early throughout its lifecycle (like a certain other company does) they completely screwed themselves in the handheld space.
There are always two core goals when launching a gaming platform:
1) To achieve profit or progress toward reaching a long term goal of profiting.
2) To finish the generation well to make a smooth transition to the next platform.
SONY did great at #1, but did horrible at #2. I've never seen anything quite like this in the gaming space. The portable gaming market is about to blow up and it seems that SONY just threw their easy shot away. I know that the company is having problems now, but certainly they could have still at least managed to create a profitable product at launch that could have generated a steady stream of revenue. Hell I could even argue that it's more important for SONY to create a successor to the PSP then it is for them to do so for the PS3. Either there's something chaotic going up in SONYland that we don't know about or they are drinking some hardcore SEGA Kool-Aid.
EDIT - Also damn are software sales low. Iwata was really onto something when he was commenting on the industry.
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I'll be waiting for Gamasutra Top 20 article. :]
I'll be waiting for Gamasutra Top 20 article. :]
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Fuck guys. I just bought a Go. Now that the system is dead, does someone come to my house at take it away? How long do i have? :*(
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Pretty much everything worse than expected.
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SapientWolf
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40k behind the trey sixty when the numbers are estimates anyway isn't that big of a deal. I would imagine that online and Euro sales still skew towards the PS triple.chespace said:
The PSP is a goner though.
Rainier said:
Thats a factor, but Nintendo made more profit on their handhelds than they ever did on the cost to resale ratio on the hardware. I'm betting the margin for the GC and N64 may have been pretty slim but they made money hand over fist on Game Boys, GBCs, GBAs, you name it.
Jive Turkey
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No it just self-destructs.Gamer @ Heart said:
truly101 said:
I think my biggest counter to your argument is that if the average gamer can own multiple consoles (which are often more expensive than handhelds and have games more expensive than handhelds), what's the barrier for multiple handheld ownership? I think Nintendo's dominance in handhelds has more to do with having a clear vision ("our handheld is a game device, not a wonderbox with tech a few years away from reasonable portability") and killer killer apps (Pokemon) rather than being inherently a one-horse market. Sheer inertia also helps, although that didn't seem to be the case in the early PSP/DS battle.
If Sony was better off as a whole, I think they'd be willing to throw down for round 2 (60 million worldwide is nothing to scoff at, even in a "tallest midget" sense). I think their current financial straits and the fact that things went pear-shaped for them this gen has made them really gun-shy, though.
I agree, the PSP has too much of a "well, what does it do well?" problem.