shinra-bansho
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NPD doesn't publicly release anything besides a top ten all-formats chart.
The chart has only been posted to show how wrong they are.
This is a summary of the info we have (from various generous gaffers) that SwiftDeath made.
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NPD Sales Results for May 2014 [Up1: Wii U Hardware]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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The chart has only been posted to show how wrong they are.
This is a summary of the info we have (from various generous gaffers) that SwiftDeath made.
Use this:
50K off Vita, PS4, and Wii U.
Dat Wii U-turn.
Use this:
50K off Vita, PS4, and Wii U.
Week 3 11,01? What the hell number is that?
lifeexpectancy
Member
Would've agree with you before, but that's not true now, at least re: PS4/XB1. AFAIK Ghosts has been selling better on PS4 than on XB1. So if MS loses the shooter crowd they won't be left with much unless they can bulk up their exclusives list pretty significantly or somehow get down to an insanely low price.
Damn SwitfDeath's post should be edited into the OP then. It's very nice and helpful.
Then perhaps might be worthwhile to combine 2014 Jan-June and compare it to 2013 Jan-June to see which way the market is going? Comparing blockbuster-filled month to a dry month does not mean much.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Best comparison is yearly but even then the release of some games result in a much better performance: GTA.
Oh yeah.
Online sales charts say otherwise. Titanfall bundle is still the better deal and many got that on sale a few months back.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Poor sales all around. PS4 still leading and holding steady. Hopefully June will provide some respithe from the monotony, but with no major game releases I don't see much in the way of a recovery outside of the 5 week month and summer holiday boosts. I don't think the Kinect-less SKU is going to do very well, it hasn't exactly lit up any online rankings and in the most analogous market (UK) there was no mention of it this week by UKIE as a special event like a system seller or a price cut that boosts hardware which points to weak sales.
The lower limit creamsugar provided for MK8 was 370k, MLB would have done less than that. Don't know of the format breakdowns.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
Do we know actual LTD for current gen consoles?
Of course they count pre-orders. They count all sales.
But $399 Xb1 wasn't released this month so no of course they don't count that. It's not out yet.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
Woah WiiU didn't sell hardware as intended. we have ps4 and bone hw anywhere in this thread?
edit: saw the link to swiftdeath's post.
edit: saw the link to swiftdeath's post.
shinra-bansho
Member
Last year in general had a lot more software and just bigger software.
Code:
$M 2013 ($M) 2014 ($M)
Jan 373 224
Feb 352 318
Mar 555 406
Apr 254 228
May 175 274
YTD 1709 1450How can this happen? So unjust... ;_;
It's possible that it is not true now, but that would only be because of two reasons... The first being that third-parties favored Xbox's style last generation given Xbox was the successful system for the longest time outside of the Wii. The second being that third-parties are more likely to port to both systems now than they were with the PS2 and OG Xbox. Thus the PS3's third-party library, having been shared for the most part with 360's, favored Xbox's style.
Even though PS4's absorbed some of the Xbox style, the system still ends up with Fighting Game Guilty Gear Xrd as a PlayStation exclusive and JRPG Final Fantasy being promoted to PlayStation fans over Xbox fans as well as single-player Infamous and Uncharted being made by Sony as PlayStation Franchises.
michaelius
Banned
I don't get why people assume huge jump in sales from kinectless SKU - even if you don't care about titanfall and kinect $450 for that was miles better deal than $400 for just console.
Xbox needs to reach $300 for non kinect and $400 for kinect SKU to be somewhat atractive.
Considering that only major turnarounds in console history were PS3 and 3DS it should be obvious you can't save machine when all you will to spend on it is spare change.
No ms spin or major nelson fun facts yet?
Nope. I guess there was no positive spin to be had on this months NPD.
I agree yoshi's island should be above donkey kong ;_;
Just did the maths by taking the other values away from the total; it should be 11,010. Just a typo.
lol.... that people are actually believing this ;D!
Zekra Dezivad
Member
thanks
Wot? Am I missing something? Didn't Sony say they have sold 7 million PS4s as of mid April?
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
pieatorium
Member
this is npd, NA not worldwide
Probably for US only LTD.
Thank you. You might indeed be right: especially if you take into account the rising dev costs, we just might see sales fall a bit simply due fewer big, conservative blockbuster releases where the publishers max out on these huge launches ala Titanfall and Watch Dogs, trying to hog all the money in the market with as few releases as possible to mitigate the risk and the number of shots they need to take.
lifeexpectancy
Member
Not to mention Destiny getting the better treatment on PS4, and CoD/Battlefield selling as well or better on PS4.
MS is basically going to have all their eggs in two baskets with the Halo and Gears franchises. Well.... Titanfall will certainly help some too but we won't know to what extent until it has more time under it, not to mention seeing how TF2 does if it's XB1 only and not on 360. Hopefully that'll be enough to carry them with the shooter crowd, but given the continuing dominence (albeit declining maybe) of CoD and BF, not to mention the MASSIVE interest in Destiny (which is catering to PS4), it's looking pretty grim for MS retaining the FPS crown. Especially now that PS4 has better infrastructure for online MP than last gen.
shinra-bansho
Member
Those numbers are slight off, 3DS is 10K off. There's a more updated post later in the thread.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116940746&postcount=2709
I strongly disagree, as this is sort of an attempt to reframe the discussion and make consoles this very specific concept of "basically a Playstation or things that expressly mimic the Playstation."
But even if I were to agree to your premise, in that case, the contraction began last generation, as the PS3+360 has sold less than the PS2+Xbox+GC. The Wii was responsible for virtually all of the growth last generation. Using your definition, the console space has been contracting since ~2005.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Look at the install base for each system. There are literally millions more 3DS's out there.
Also, LOL at people saying, "well, let's just ignore Wii sales when looking at industry growth/contraction." That's asinine. It was a console. You have to include those numbers. It was not "its own thing."
I'm not a huge numbers guy but jesus christ I knew a long time ago that VGC just threw shit together. Aren't they banned anyway?
What did you expect?? There's like 70 million more people with a 360 than an XONE isn't there?
TheRagnCajun
Member
So given the poor month Xbone had in May, it needs to do about 155k in June to break even. Any volume over 155k would be legitimate bump.
shinra-bansho
Member
Just an NB to the above conversation, without getting into the count the Wii/don't count the Wii thing, people tend to ignore that the PS2 basically spanned two generations of console. 16M+ PS2s were sold in the US after the launch of the 360. Globally it was around 55M units shipped during the 7th gen before discontinuation.
True it's been the reverse here in the UK because bundles are counted. Am still a bit surprised tbh.
Swass
Member
Like NPD thos LTD numbers are for the US only.
Worldwide, not in the US.
Also, Watch Dogs numbers didn't favor last gen despite the same dynamic.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Exactly. All of that needs to be included. That also points to a larger contraction this time around.
People also tend to forget that last generation was especially long. The PS2/Xbox were the "lead platform" for Sony/MS for a combined 10 years before being replaced and having primary development shifted to new consoles; the PS3/360 were the primary platform for 15. Thus, the PS3/360, combined, had 50% more life as the leading system for their manufacturers.
I think it's reasonable to sort of see these two effects as cancelling each other out (PS2's long tail, PS3/360's much longer time in the sun). As such, I think we can safely say that the console space has been stagnant or contracting since the launch of the Xbox 360, if the Wii is simply removed from the conversation.