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We still doing this Horizon vs BotW shit? Does it matter which will sell better? By any metric both games are huge hits.
mario imo appeals to nintendo fans, it just doesn't grab the entry level kids like it used too.
We still doing this Horizon vs BotW shit? Does it matter which will sell better? By any metric both games are huge hits.
Not getting into the MARIO brand and how big it is debate, but I do agree many Nintendo fans are older. Lot of MacBook Pokémon decals at my office and building with many blue collar upper scale workersThat's really the point Cod and GTA are the cool game for kids and teenagers these days. When I was young nothing touched Mario. Oddly enough Nintendo is family friendly,but all Nintendo fans I know are older.
I know the switch is supply constrained but the PS4 selling more than it just a few more than after release seems concerning
Nope.Obviously you do since it is such a problem for you. Just saying it was just as bad if not worse with the Vita. The difference here is the market want a Switch and only forum dwellers and niche Japanese fans wanted a Vita. It is tiring all the same regardless we can agree on that
Why is that?Its not concerning at all. Switch is competing with a market leader doing record numbers.
That sentence would accomodate Xbox One better because it would truly be concerning if Xbox One outsells it.
Its not concerning at all. Switch is competing with a market leader doing record numbers.
That sentence would accomodate Xbox One better because it would truly be concerning if Xbox One outsells it.
Can I just ask if someone has shared some leaky actual (vague) numbers for Fire Emblem Echoes?
I don't wanna read through console wars/salt weirdness.
Did you have any thoughts about what was shown at E3?I have a bunch of predictions for Q4 if you're interested. It was written before E3, so I have some adjustments to make on the Scorpio bit at the very least.
I know the switch is supply constrained but the PS4 selling more than it just a few more than after release seems concerning
I expect great things outta the Switch but I really think that unless something insane happens in the next 2 years the PS4 will be the comfortable market leader. That said similar to gen 7, third place could still sell a shit ton of units in NA.
Surprised PS4 was able to get back on top so fast, Nintendo need to get their shit together before the Fall. Because the PS4 (and probably XB1) will start really moving come September.
Yep. Both games are hits, HZD on a big instal base but ultra competitive environment as a new IP, and BOTW on a small install base but relatively sparse competition and very well known franchise with established fanbase.We still doing this Horizon vs BotW shit? Does it matter which will sell better? By any metric both games are huge hits.
And there's only one man who can stop him.
GTA V is a beast. Has it ever dropped out of the top 10 yet?
I guess we have a hint in this thread, since John Harker suggested that Farpoint (#16) is under the range of 50K. SFII and Disgaea 5 are not in the top 20, so... someting does not compute very well with NISA preorders, unless I'm missing something.
PS4 will certainly co-exist with PS5 as well, very similar to how PS3 was with PS4.
Nothing is coming near the PS4 this gen.
PS4 is ahead of Switch by almost 60 million units and is ahead of Xbox One by 30 million.
Switch could be the next Wii and still won't be catching up to PS4. Once Sony hits mass consumer price of $199 and lower, that thing will have insane legs. PS4 will certainly co-exist with PS5 as well, very similar to how PS3 was with PS4.
I'm assuming you meant similar to PS2 co-existing with PS3, because PS3's sales fell off a cliff once PS4 launched. I expect Sony to handle PS4's twilight years similarly to how they handled PS2.
I'm only talking NA since all 3 systems play on a much more even playing field in this market (and its NPD). Not that I disagree with you at all. PS4 will run away with the market. PS4 for instance is not destroying the X1 in NA like the rest of the world though. NA has always been much more receptive to all of the big 3 vs the rest of the world.
I'm assuming you meant similar to PS2 co-existing with PS3, because PS3's sales fell off a cliff once PS4 launched. I expect Sony to handle PS4's twilight years similarly to how they handled PS2.
Only because PS3's price was absurd for what it was ($199) after 7 years. The bundles were going as high as $249.99. It was nonsensical for the 10 year plan.
PS2 to PS3 to PS4 were a hard transitional breaks. The PS4's bottom-out price is likely not going to get too much lower due to production realities and component obsolescence (kind of a different angle from the NAND shortage for Nintendo, eventually the old parts in the PS4 will be so old that no one will want to produce them).
Sorry to be rude but I honestly can't take you seriously after seeing your fanboyism in the MC threadNothing is coming near the PS4 this gen.
PS4 is ahead of Switch by almost 60 million units and is ahead of Xbox One by 30 million.
Switch could be the next Wii and still won't be catching up to PS4. Once Sony hits mass consumer price of $199 and lower, that thing will have insane legs. PS4 will certainly co-exist with PS5 as well, very similar to how PS3 was with PS4.
I don't know what Phil Spencer plans for Xbox One, but I know PS4 for sure will have the craziest 3rd quarter of ever. Their biggest 3rd quarter (holiday period) was last year. But this year I firmly believe is the year the PS4 peaks. I dont know what stops the PS4 these holidays.
Revenue (80$ because of lightgun package and unknown non-bundled goods quantities) vs. normal 60$ release + ???tracking of NISA's own SE and regular sales (or at least I am unaware if these are tracked by NPD).
Farpoint is a bad point of reference since its effectively 50% more expensive on a revenue chart.
Total western pre-orders were reported at over 100k, but ~80k of that was seemingly from NA. Since most of those pre-orders were likely sales and the game has been regularly sold-out, it tells us that either NISA's own store sales are not tracked or that the revenue chart is obscuring the title vs. raw # of units.
The trends that stuck out to me were...
Is it possible for Mat to tell us about the tracking of the NISA Store ?
Yep. Both games are hits, HZD on a big instal base but ultra competitive environment as a new IP, and BOTW on a small install base but relatively sparse competition and very well known franchise with established fanbase.
#Whynotboth?
2 Nintendo games vs all the industry backing PS4 and we keep comparing Nintendo sales to Playstation's
What is the lowest price point do you all think the PS4 will hit?
What is the lowest price point do you all think the PS4 will hit?
180$ I guessWhat is the lowest price point do you all think the PS4 will hit?
It would be important indeed to know if yes or no the NISA Store is tracked because it certainly represent a big chunk of sales and revenue with the all the pricey collectors being sold out on that store.
Incidentally, that would also mean that the number previously revealed for Disgaea 5 on PS4 was not the full story.
Is it possible for Mat to tell us about the tracking of the NISA Store ?
What is the lowest price point do you all think the PS4 will hit?
$99 would be to low unless they get it on 7nm .
$150 i can see happening during certain times of the year and sales.
MSRP or retailer promotions?
$99 for the latter is totally possible imho
$149/179 as MSRP will happen at some point
we're already at $249
The best thing about it: so many people were so sure consoles were dying. Then when they were selling like hotcakes at the beginning of this gen, those people were saying it was simply demand for a new console. Now the PS4/XBO collectively are outselling their predecessors and the Switch is selling well, I've seen so few just admit they were wrong, wrong, wrong.
It was released in March. It should be capable of selling that in April if the stock is there. Comparing the second month of a consoles release to a normal April for consoles is disingenuous and silly.
We still doing this Horizon vs BotW shit? Does it matter which will sell better? By any metric both games are huge hits.
Yep. Both games are hits, HZD on a big instal base but ultra competitive environment as a new IP, and BOTW on a small install base but relatively sparse competition and very well known franchise with established fanbase.
#Whynotboth?
It's just weird because it strikes me far more as pointless bickering. These games gonna sell so much any difference in sales is going to be meaningless when all is said and done. Is there a prize if one sells 11m and the other sells 11.5m?
Brace yourself, Crash Trilogy vs Mario Odyssey is nextWe still doing this Horizon vs BotW shit? Does it matter which will sell better? By any metric both games are huge hits.
this is also no better actuallyI don't even get why some Nintendo fans are so insecure they have to keep bringing up Horizon, a new IP, to bash in to prop up Zelda, a game with like 30 years of history and one of the most beloved series in all of gaming. Looks pathetic.
The Zelda>>>Horizon shit has just gotten beyond pathetic at this stage. It's like you're not even allowed to mention Horizon without being subjected to it.
I don't even get why some Nintendo fans are so insecure they have to keep bringing up Horizon, a new IP, to bash in to prop up Zelda a game with like 30 years of history. Looks pathetic.
Brace yourself, Crash Trilogy vs Mario Odyssey is next
knack 2 vs Odyssey, Persona 5 vs Xeno 2, Days Gone vs Splatoon 2, am I missing something?Knack vs 3D World
same it's a weird dynamic too and i just don't get it. kids are either playing minecraft/roblox or cod/gtaThat's really the point Cod and GTA are the cool game for kids and teenagers these days. When I was young nothing touched Mario. Oddly enough Nintendo is family friendly but all Nintendo fans I know are older.
They were competing for mindshare, taking up a similar place in the market.I don't even get why some Nintendo fans are so insecure they have to keep bringing up Horizon, a new IP, to bash in to prop up Zelda a game with like 30 years of history. Looks pathetic.
Smart of Sony to try to cut off Nintendo's most prominent "core" gamer series, given the last time they launched with one, the system went on to sell 100 million units, and directly eat into Sony's marketshare.
knack 2 vs Odyssey, Persona 5 vs Xeno 2, Days Gone vs Splatoon 2, am I missing something?
Those pics of kids with COD bundles weren't really too far off.
this is also no better actually
It's definitely pathetic.
It's also kind of pathetic that, like, two people did that in this thread and like 15 of you won't stop talking about it.