Welfare
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And how will Sony pull out that victory exactly?
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NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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And how will Sony pull out that victory exactly?
rokkerkory
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MS needs to stay humble... they aren't anywhere yet. Long ways to go.
With that said, Yussef did put out a comms halfway through Nov which was pretty stupid I think. That guy needs to go.
With that said, Yussef did put out a comms halfway through Nov which was pretty stupid I think. That guy needs to go.
Devilgunman
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That math makes no sense. There is no way manufacture cost could go down that much in just one year after launch. It's hard to believe MS making any profit out of that massive price cut and free games. They're bleeding money.
RedAssedApe
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better safe than sorry. they can do the chest puffing after the holiday season is over. although doing so is still dumb. need to follow phil's lead.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
So The wonderful haven't reached 101K yet?
Are you counting bayonetta sales in the digital numbers too? (I think it should be a very small
Number) And one last question, is there a huge difference between W101 and Bayonetta digital sales or are they almost tied too?
Thanks as always!
I'm not counting digital.
That's harder for me to know, unless friends divulge and booze etc etc
Or January, or February...
It doesn't make sense for MS to crow about this if they expect it might not last. Because when you go silent everyone knows the tide has turned. Better to keep quiet and play the cards close to your chest.
They revealed numbers in the 360 era because they won nearly every month.
They won't discontinue it in the US until they stop manufacturing it.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
That one is interesting, like 300k/55k.
the question is, can the crew beat them both combined in one month?
That's not true at all.
Luckydog
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Because when you are down by a lot, a single month (even a good one like this) doesnt do it. Kinda hard to celebrate a touchdown when you are down by 28 points....
SeventhSon
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CBOAT banned?
*cracks knuckles to read whole thread*
*cracks knuckles to read whole thread*
That's not a guarantee that they'll support it forever.
the minecraft buy was smart Though. They make more ofd the royalties of minecraft then the money sitting in the bank.
Could look at this the same way. If people buy games and subs then profit will be made sooner.
Welfare
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MS actually lowered the price of all skus for the holiday season in the rest of the world, and retailers didn't just bundle in games themselves?
soundscream
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Yeah I figured it would be around there. I know the FH2 leader boards are around 799,800 probably due to a larger UK racing audience and supposedly DC is doing well in the UK also. So odd that the US racing market is so dead. Meanwhile the few of us interested are mostly focused on stabbing each other with rusty shivs than supporting the genre we love
Wow, Driveclub sold "nothing" in november.
This FH 2 are XBO and 360 combined right?
Microsoft are just about burned out. From what we've been hearing, they've had strong sales for the first two weeks of November because of the bundles along with the $350 price tag, & then it kind of died down a bit until Black Friday. Abdiel can even tell you that.
At one Target store of where I'm from, I saw 6 Xbox One's in stock, about 4 of them are AC:U bundles. While at the same time, I saw only 2 PS4's in stock, which aren't bundles. While that's not exactly indicative of anything, it could be occurring everywhere else.
DR2K
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X1 is more expensive in December than November from what I've seen.
Stores will not buy anymore.
I like your methods hahaha. Thanks anyway!
How much should sell Bayonetta to enter the top10 for Wii U in the US? >175k? (I don't think it'll be a lot more than that)
They did not want it on a system they do not own that is still priced higher than the market is willing to support. It is simultaneously the least surprising event of the year, and somehow perfectly emblematic of how weird this year has been. I think most people on here saw it coming from a mile away.
Welfare
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Well Abdiel also said he saw his district and another have similar numbers for PS4 and Xbox One. That's also a factor of the Xbox One having better deals at other retailers than Best Buy on BF, and still, only one retailer.
Only went down in price on Black Friday. MSRP is $350 normally, and it's still cheaper than the PS4, which is still the same price, and doesn't come bundled with any games.
RespectThySole
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Yikes at the Driveclub figures. Horizon 2 numbers should be better as well.
As much as dislike Microsoft, they are not bleeding money. They would not sell that many consoles at a huge loss. Whatever loss they did incur from each console sold they will easily make up through live subscriptions and digital sales. More consoles in peoples homes equals more movies sold, more games sold, more hardware sold etc. They will make a fortune from every customer who bought a console. They may not know how to market a console very well, but they know how to make money.
Sammy Samusu
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Can I ask for a random MH3U LTD? Is it close to 400k?
And I see the 3DS managed to sell 500k, cool.
And I see the 3DS managed to sell 500k, cool.
They won Nov with a decent lead and they probably are favs for winning Dec now, but it wouldn't be a miracle or anything like it if Sony wins Dec.
Wow. Thanks for that. It deserved to sell better. Get them as Christmas gifts people.
Any chance on finding out Watch Dog Wii U numbers? Just curious on how bad it tanked with the way that Ubi Soft handled it. Less than 5K?
The end of Sony is nigh!
StoppedInTracks
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Re: MS bleeding money.
They just bought Mojang for $2B.
They are made of money.
They just bought Mojang for $2B.
They are made of money.
Hardly. Other weeks I see less Playstation in the case. And obviously one county of Ohio (although we are the "heart of it all") isn't indicative or telling of the entire country, or even state.
LTD for NPD only?
If it's near that, is that the highest selling 3rd party Wii U game?
Wonder it's enough to justify another HD port. 300-400k doesn't seem terrible to me.
Sony's figures include Vita TV. It's the same hardware and software ecosystem just in a different package. And yes, it's shipped to stores, but given Vita's history, do you really think there's a tonne of them rotting on shelves?
Pretty sure Sammy is combining both 3DS and Wii U for that.
Earthanoid
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Realistically, it's unlikely Sony will win December. The gap will probably be smaller but since XBone price is still lower for December, and some of the BF bundles are still available, the things driving the November sales will still be around.
Even if Sony somehow pulls out a win, how exactly does MS look bad? If they announced today that they outsold PS4 + Wii U combined, assuming that's true, It'll still be true if Sony wins December. As long as their PR isn't saying "the king is back" or something equally stupid, they missed an opportunity to emphasize their win.
There have been so many plot twists though, I wouldn't discount some other info popping up that changes things. So maybe MS has reason to be cautious about the PR and we just don't know about it yet.
Devilgunman
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Checking some retailers locally and also online today, I would say MS might have a good chance to win Dec. They certainly shipped massive amount of AC Unity bundles to stores as I've seen so many of them are still available at $349. I can still find GTAV+TLoU PS4 bundles at some Bestbuy but seems like they were sold out online and PS4 price has now returned to normal.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Does anyone know how the Pikmin shorts fared?
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Highlights
Page 1: CBOAT derails thread immediately
Page 22: CosmicQueso's slightly less terse rebuttal
Page 23: creamsugar's pie chart
Page 32: The banhammer falls
Page 56: Occam's protractor
Page 67: Aquamarine returns to the thread
Wii + something are probably be the highest. =P
But if you're talking eventual bundles, check PS2 + Gran Turismo 3.
Ubisoft must be very pleased with the sales, which got them money for copies of a game they would otherwise most likely not sell due to problematic launch.
Can I have this in pie chart format please.
Sure, that's part of their plan, much like the 200 dollar loss per PS3 was part of Sony's plan.
I think you're short changing how much of a loss this is per console for MS though. We know from Sony that they were taking a small loss per console at launch (at a 400 dollar price point). Considering that the SoC is larger on the One and since the box is larger, shipping costs will be higher per unit, we can guesstimate that the One costs MS atleast 400 dollars per unit now. Taking the least enticing deals (ACU bundle at GameStop), MS has to eat the following; 70 dollar price drop, publisher's cost for AC:BF and publisher's cost for ACU). I believe on new games, publishers get about 30 dollars out of a 60 dollar product, so I'll say ACU cost 20 and AC:BF cost 10. So in total we have MS losing 100 dollars per console at the low end for black Friday.
What would it take to recoup that cost? Traditionally it is through licensing fees, which amount to around 10 dollars per software unit. So by traditional means, MS can only recover its' losses here if each person has an attach rate of 10, which is fairly high. With subscription services though, this should be easier for them. With a 60 dollar a year and 25% Gold attach rate (they don't give this out, but only half of their player base are Live members, so half of half seems reasonable), they can recover their loss here by XBLGold in 6-7 years.
So while they can recoup their costs, this isn't a short term proposition. Also, you have to consider that for the near term they'll have to carry an additional 50 dollar loss on the product from not being able to go back up to the original 400 USD price before their holiday promotion.
This may be worth it overall for them since without this promotion they would have slipped more and more into irrelevancy in their only major market, thus costing them future sales to Sony as the snowball effect works in their favour.
You realize they have more units in the back right? My Best Buy, at least during the holiday, will have at least 100+ of each system while only having so many in the front lockups
God how I hate this argument.
That's where they focus.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
At launch though? I'll have to check but I'm not sure GT3 launched higher. But maybe, that's a good call out.
As far as wii + ... Yea I wasnt counting wii sports haha. That's less a limited bundle and more the standard sku itself
They have financial freedom. Not an ideal situation, but they can do it.
Beer Monkey
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It's finally sunk in.
Microsoft deletes their $150MSRP retail accessory (that's what they sell standalone Kinect for) out of their $500 SKU, sells it for $350 (makes sense, they deleted Kinect), throws in a couple games they pay way less than wholesale for, and convinces the world that they are giving the systems away.
Fucking genius.
Microsoft deletes their $150MSRP retail accessory (that's what they sell standalone Kinect for) out of their $500 SKU, sells it for $350 (makes sense, they deleted Kinect), throws in a couple games they pay way less than wholesale for, and convinces the world that they are giving the systems away.
Fucking genius.
anexanhume
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Dat creamsugar effect (page 61)
Dreamgazer
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um...what?
Chezzymann
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Man that's a huge spike lol
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