alexandros
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It over, pack it up
Lol, what the hell is this from?
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NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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Lol, what the hell is this from?
its even funnier because here I've never ever heard of those evil datacap plans that I read about on gaf lol.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
Oh man...
Need a source, stat.It over, pack it up
Neuromancer
Member
Bad/non existent exclusive fall lineup
No "temporary" $50-$70 price drops on the system
PSN still sucks even though we're paying for it now but it was excusable when it was free
PS+ games are a bunch of dirty indies that no one likes
Driveclub didn't work for like two months
I think that about wraps it up.
StarBlazers1
Member
The answer is yes. At the low end of an estimate, most gamers will buy a xblg subscription and on average 4 or 5 games a year.(I spent over $1000 on games this year). I read somewhere that last gen, each owner of the x360 and PS3 were worth about $500 a year on average. Taking a $100+ loss to reap that reward is an easy and long term strategy this early in the cycle.
walltowall
Member
I didn't mean to imply that you are the one that's spinning, more that however you look at it a healthy increase in your base is always good business sense, especially if the new acquisition's spend rate is high enough.
Welfare
Member
February, September, and October.
Phoenician_Viking
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This is not the whole picture though. NPD is not taking digital sales into consideration for their report.
If it's ~$100 per console, then it's 120 million dollar loss, while Sony made good profit. So who's the actual winner?
The people who got an 8th Gen console and a handful of games for $300.
walltowall
Member
It's not that they're dirty, it's just hard to get excited about indies that you've played already and can be found super cheap on Steam or even Sony's own ecosystem.
Well, there you go. I know people are excited, but have some perspective. MS had to have a record setting month, likely losing huge amounts of money, just to make up for what ground they lost in 'pre-season' months. Fans on either side declaring either MS dominance or Sony defeat are just fooling themselves. Relax a bit, see what both companies do going forward.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
If Shu doesn't come round and dust my PS4 (while dropping off some games) I'm taking it to the dump and posting the video to Twitter.
It over, pack it up
Albert Penello's let himself go.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
If it's ~$100 per console, then it's 120 million dollar loss, while Sony made good profit. So who's the actual winner?
I am flattered lol you guys are so concerned about Microsoft's well-being
AmaterasuOni
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I am flattered lol you guys are so concerned about Microsoft's well-being
Nah, just thinking out loud. Microsoft is doing well. But is Xbox doing that well, that's the thing I'm pondering.
Cthulhu_Steev
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Surely the only
geordiemp
Member
We got 50 + inch TV's that play games in 1080p, not partial HD thanks.
Poor statement gets similar in return
Elginer
Member
I would kick an old mans ass for that. Not even joking.
Pretty sure none of that was advertised or promotional material meant for the public. And IIRC, it was stuff they wanted to do, not promised to do. No need to be indignant. Now that Vita thing...
Winterfang
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I was reading the thread and saw the CBOAT bomb. But I noticed he was banned and the thread has 148 pages. Was the information wrong or did the thread exploded because it was confirmed?
Impeccable
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He was massively wrong. Xbox won by like 400k units.
I am flattered lol you guys are so concerned about Microsoft's well-being
Why are you flattered? Do you work for them?
anexanhume
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CosmicQueso
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Sometimes people that say they know the most...
NPD is just one tool in the analytics toolbox but it plays an important role across 1st party, 3rd party and retail.
Limitations exist, obviously, but to think that any of these companies would rather fly blind to many sales trends than have NPD is ludicrous.
NPD is just one tool in the analytics toolbox but it plays an important role across 1st party, 3rd party and retail.
Limitations exist, obviously, but to think that any of these companies would rather fly blind to many sales trends than have NPD is ludicrous.
I am flattered lol you guys are so concerned about Microsoft's well-being
As opposed to the people who posted they were "so happy" that MS sold 400k more consoles than Sony?
Tell Microsoft I said hello.As opposed to the people who posted they were "so happy" that MS sold 400k more consoles than Sony?
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Oh....wow. Wow that's just.....that's quite sad, actually. Reminds me of some of the "awards sources" placed in that one Destiny advertisement. Did Sony do this just to make MS feel even better?
Now that's just mean. He's supposed to be Santee Claus, not the Green Grinch.It over, pack it up
Wat? They just did a special show for the fans they could have easily chosen not to do and just wait until E3. How is that being complacent? Is this satire?
Just catching up now. I really wish that Sony response was just more broad about their success throughout the year, and the strong sales for the month leading into the most important sales segment of the year. What they went with didn't come across well, having the information we do.
Welfare
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MaineUPTDC
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If it's ~$100 per console, then it's 120 million dollar loss, while Sony made good profit. So who's the actual winner?
Microsoft is valued at $387 billion, 2nd wealthiest company in the world only behind Apple
Sony is valued at $22 billion
You do the math
gundamkyoukai
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I am flattered lol you guys are so concerned about Microsoft's well-being
MS could give a few million consoles and it won't effect them really .
No one should be concerned about them at least money wise lol
Still it's fun trying to figure out the numbers
Cthulhu_Steev
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jhmtehgamr20xx
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Yeah but how much of that $387 billion is going to the Xbox division?
I can give a hint: measure in millions, not billions
MS did well this month because those people will passively or actively pressure their other friends to get an Xbox one like them so they can play together. It's like what happens with steam sales. There's a large spike of people buying at a reduced rate and then after there are a number of people that buy it cause they see everyone on their list playing it. They can't just sit around and let everyone convince eachother to only buy PS4s. I'd argue that a lot of momentum of a console's sales lies in hitting the sweet spot of price vs value and the spreading effect of peoples' friends and their friends and their friends all buying it.If it's ~$100 per console, then it's 120 million dollar loss, while Sony made good profit. So who's the actual winner?
As far as "winning" the month goes, it's largely irrelevant. Sony has proven they can keep selling just fine as is, and MS has finally gained some mindshare. Songs win was a win made a year ago. MS' win is a win made this month.
I say all this as a PS4 owner.
MaineUPTDC
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So you're saying that ... Sony ... can never win?
Lol. Sony will win this generation, I think MS is too far behind in WW numbers. My point is that there should be no concern if MS lost $120 million, that's a drop in the bucket to them. The mindshare they obtained in November is greater than the $120 million they potentially lost
Birgitte2004
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There is some question if this is, in fact, a healthy increase in the base.
If it's largely people who have no plans to get Xbox Live, people who will buy a handful of games ever, they may never make up the $ they just gave away. Like people who already have PS4s and have no plans to buy multi-plats on the One.
womfalcs3
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There are still significantly more PS4 owners. What we saw this month is the response to price... Period. Customers will respond with lower demand once the price is raised again to its original value.
The gap will eventually increase again.
JackLongRod
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knightfolk
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And your forgetting profits from Live subs, video, music, and games sales over the lifetime of the product. It's a short term loss for a long time game. Do people rally not get that stragery?
Of course this month was a response to price. The point is that there can be a ripple effect where people buy the same console as their friends. I'm not saying the gap will close. I'm saying MS needs as many people as they can get actively championing their device so that others will buy it too, to slow the gap widening. If they sit around then they will just march onwards towards comparative irrelevance. Instead, they now have over a million new people feeding long term money into their ecosystem and increasing their spread through their friends,
It pretty much does though... This is the same company that spends billions per year on R&D for somewhat useless things like illumiroom.
Xbox leverages a lot of resources from other divisions too (cloud, windows, bing, etc.) which get more exposure through the Xbox.
JackLongRod
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If that where true some of the board of directors and investors wouldn't want the Xbox divison killed or sold off and it's only gonna be worse over time the more money the Xbox division loses or spends.
Bing is irrelevant and dying will eventually get killed off too IMO
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