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[benny_a]

When you do a reverse image search on the white pie chart, you get this:

When you use non-hacker methods and just click on the pie chart you also get put there.

I'm behind 7 proxies and used a GUI to trace this post.

 

[Raonak]

Man, this NPD thread was batshit insane. so many plot twists

Cboat banned :'(
end of an era

 

[SwiftDeath]

Wait this means I'm still somewhat in the running for predictions!!!!

 

[Raist]

 

[JNA]

Honestly with threads like this, people need to say exactly what they mean instead of teasing. It gets old.

Truth.

The teasing is just stupid. Just post what it means or numbers. It's a waste of time any other way.

 

[watership]

When you do a reverse image search on the white pie chart, you get this:

It says it's for LTD

Or.. if you just click the image in the thread.

 

[Aces&Eights]

Pie charts are legit

Agreed. I'd take an AquaCream pie over 5 crazy butts any day.

I wonder if he offered any sort of explanation to Bish?

 

[jackdoe]

So we can say that the gap is closing non-sarcastically now?

This is a landslide victory for Microsoft and it supports the opinion that I have been maintaining for the past few months. It's all about price. The X1 wasn't suffering because of the DRM fallout or the weaker specs or the resolution stuff. It was simply more expensive. As soon as the price dropped and the machine became equal or better value than the PS4 it stopped the Playstation's momentum dead in its tracks.

I disagree with the bolded. At equal value, it was still losing momentum. It wasn't until it was significantly cheaper that it really took off.

 

[IndoAssassin]

So MS just erased Sony's lead in Sept and Oct in one month?

So they were right for saying the last 4 months are the only thing that matters?

 

[Hoje0308]

El Torro in to liven up an already insane NPD thread.

 

[FrankT]

Haha

 

[Isurus]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Price matters. Elasticity at work here. This was MS's biggest problem out of the gate. Huge difference between 499 and 329 entry price points.

I'm just curious if they have worked the supplier channel to drive down production costs and maintain this price point or if their P&L is getting wrecked by it. Time will tell soon enough. Quarterly earnings calls will be interesting.

 

[Instro]

Not surprising, steep discounts and major releases tend to spike hardware. I don't think its hard to see the Xbone winning a month here and there, but it seems pretty unlikely for it to consistently outsell the ps4 in any region.

 

[VinFTW]

XBO- ~1240kk
PS4- ~840K

Are these numbers real?

edit: HOLY HELL ELTORRO GIF.... im dead.

 

[Faustek]

Clearly you need to spend more time in NPD threads.

Or cream...

How dead is my Vita?
Deader than PTV?

 

[inbit]

When you do a reverse image search on the white pie chart, you get this:

It says it's for LTD

Or you can simply click the link.

 

[JayEH]

Oh wow just realized Dragon Age didn't chart. Tough month.

 

[MrJonnyBigBoss]

Man, this NPD thread was batshit insane. so many plot twists

Cboat banned :'(
end of an era

Time to cook that pizza in my fridge.

1.2 million is bat**** insane.

Oh wow just realized Dragon Age didn't chart. Tough month.

This and the Wii U selling "poorly" makes me a sad panda.

 

[Loudninja]

So if the ratio stays similar PS4s lead in the US could be in trouble next month, huh?

I think people need to not let a month cloud their judgement.

 

[Amir0x]

So we can say that the gap is closing non-sarcastically now?

We require some data. Previously, the gap in the US is reported to be a million or so, around that I can't remember the precise number. With the data we have about what XBO and PS4 sold this month, it means the gap should in theory still be around 800k. So, I'm not sure why the pie chart looks that close.

More investigation is required for final determination.

Additionally, from a worldwide perspective there's still no chance to close the gap. So it's big picture vs. small picture, in terms of overall PS4 vs. XBO performance.

This is a landslide victory for Microsoft and it supports the opinion that I have been maintaining for the past few months. It's all about price. The X1 wasn't suffering because of the DRM fallout or the weaker specs or the resolution stuff. It was simply more expensive. As soon as the price dropped and the machine became equal or better value than the PS4 it stopped the Playstation's momentum dead in its tracks.

But that's not what happened. When XBO was equal to PS4 price, PS4 still decimated it. And it did so additionally during every XBO price drop point.

So no, it wasn't just about price. Consumers had determined there were real value decreasing elements to XBO, and they felt the downsides of the platform would only be acceptable at a price point lower than the competition, $349.99 v. $399.99.

Now the question becomes if they return to 399.99 price point (can't imagine they will), and if not how will the numbers settle in off holiday months?

 

[Cidd]

So, Sony to lose the US lead by March it seems. Because we all know MS will make another push for tax return season.

 

[RoKKeR]

Truth.

The teasing is just stupid. Just post what it means or numbers. It's a waste of time any other way.

That's not how NPD's work.

Would be nice if it were the case though.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

This is funny

 

[jmaine_ph]

Looks about right.

 

[Seventy70]

Did everyone forget that cboat speak in code?

Yes, maybe he meant 710k

 

[vinnygambini]

Wait this means I'm still somewhat in the running for predictions!!!!

No. Everyone is dead.

We all lost. My Top 10 crown will be gone ;.;

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Welfare]

So the Xbox One selling about 50% more than the PS4, and MS didn't say anything to allude that?

That's some restraint.

 

[MetalGuardian]

Wait, can I get a thread summary? What happened?

Nintendo is going to be just fine Jimmy, just fine. Ammibos had a big month Jimmy, a big month. I bet sony and microsoft are thinking of copping amiibos like they did with motion control, Just gotta be patient for Nintendo to return to the top of the charts

 

[BlackGhost]

Who is cosmic?

 

[bananafactory]

So MS just erased Sony's lead in Sept and Oct in one month?

So they were right for saying the last 4 months are the only thing that matters?

The gap is still around 700k. They made a solid dent but it's not completely erased.

 

[Anth0ny]

XBO- ~1240kk
PS4- ~840K

ok that makes a lot more sense


good shit microsoft

 

[Xpliskin]

You must be new to this
There is tons of data for those who like to dig.

Not really new, that's why I have better things to do than dig.

 

[Ambition]

XBO- ~1240kk
PS4- ~840K

Now that is huge. Congrats MS.

 

[Yatōkiri_Kilgharrah]

well y'all did say that Nov would be interesting.

Funny how people are calling for permabans already. y'all are not slick.

When did you start speaking with a drawl?

 

[alexandros]

So I'm confused where are you guys getting the 1.2 million number from?
-Second if the 1.2 is legit is it possible Cboat meant 10k as in that's how small the gap is between both consoles YTD?
-Ha third how is that possible without MS releasing a massive PR statement?

Let it go, Bruce. The 1.2 mil number is official. Maybe next time.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

How about that Pyrrhic victory though guys? Hollow amirite?

 

[Steverulez]

So, Sony to lose the US lead by March it seems. Because we all know MS will make another push for tax return season.

Sony have The Order and Bloodborne in Feb/March. They'll get a boost, not sure how much The Order will give them but should be enough to win if its even close

 

[Rajang]

This thread is bonkers.

So entertaining.

 

[Aquamarine]

Who is cosmic?

One of the most insightful members of Sales-GAF.

 

[TomShoe]

So, Sony to lose the US lead by March it seems. Because we all know MS will make another push for tax return season.

Again, assuming that Sony does nothing and Bloodborne & The Order sell 0 copies.

 

[JaggedSac]

I go play Dragon Age for a bit and come back and shit has gone down. Lol.

 

[chadskin]

or, you know, just click the link in Cream's post

Reminds me of this:

 

[JackLongRod]

Just finished dinner

Did I miss anything ?

 

[Verendus]

How about that Pyrrhic victory though guys? Hollow amirite?

I'm sure everyone is begging to join the Age of One now.

But it's too late. All doors are closed until January. Everyone messed up. They missed out.

 

[gaming_noob]

Ask him in 5 months.

Nooo. That's a kick to the balls to one of the best insiders neogaf has. I'm not eveb sure he will ever return after this.

 

[vin-buc]

The gap was only 1 million to begin with. Its a pie chart - create one with 2 values proportionate to the October gap between the two and add a third value for the Wii U. It will look close whether the total is 10 million or 100 million. Make sense?

 

[Blanquito]

When you use non-hacker methods and just click on the pie chart you also get put there.

I'm behind 7 proxies and used a GUI to trace this post.

But did you build that GUI in visual basic?!

 

[SargerusBR]

Is there any way to know how much physical copies DA:I sold?

 

[Femmeworth]

CBOAT self sabotaged again as part of his settlement with Microsoft, surely.

 

[Toki767]

We require some data. Previously, the gap in the US is reported to be a million or so, around that I can't remember the precise number. With the data we have about what XBO and PS4 sold this month, it means the gap should in theory still be around 800k. So, I'm not sure why the pie chart looks that close.

More investigation is required for final determination.

Additionally, from a worldwide perspective there's still no chance to close the gap. So it's big picture vs. small picture, in terms of overall PS4 vs. XBO performance.



But that's not what happened. When XBO was equal to PS4 price, PS4 still decimated it. And it did so additionally during every XBO price drop point.

So no, it wasn't just about price. Consumers had determined there were real value decreasing elements to XBO, and they felt the downsides of the platform would only be acceptable at a price point lower than the competition, $349.99 v. $399.99.

Now the question becomes if they return to 399.99 price point (can't imagine they will), and if not how will the numbers settle in off holiday months?

The pie chart looks close because we're talking in terms of millions of units and not hundreds of thousands.