Which is not what I am arguing against. I'm saying there are more consequences than just people having the knowledge, such as what they do with that knowledge, how they react to it, and what to speculate given it.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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Angelus Errare
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Kenzodielocke
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I think it's 70 % to 90 % market share for PS4 in the EU.Wow, I mean I knew PS4 was doing well in EU but damn.
gundamkyoukai
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Not for EU , UK would be the out liner .
Every where else it at least 3 to 1 minimum
As time goes on the USA might end up being 70% to 75% of MS WW sales .
Angelus Errare
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Damn, MS really can't win WW. Isn't Sony also ahead in China despite launching after XBox One?
Primethius
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Wow, I mean I knew PS4 was doing well in EU but damn.
Yea, people aren't really joking when they say that the XB1 is dead outside the US/UK.
People always say Sony was arrogant with the PS3. But man, looking at the results, MS was extremely arrogant with the XB1.
Yea, by a considerable amount IIRC. MS didn't really even bother with China like Sony did.
As a market how large is Europe compared to the US today?
I recall Sony saying it was a major growth area for them several times this gen, so I'm curious how the market as a whole compared to NA.
Edit: I should point out I'm just talking about video games, not the general economies.
I recall Sony saying it was a major growth area for them several times this gen, so I'm curious how the market as a whole compared to NA.
Edit: I should point out I'm just talking about video games, not the general economies.
Bitch Pudding
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Yeah, next generation MS should focus on countries using the metric system AND using the right side of the road.
Plague Doctor
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Pretty sure Asia was the same thing too.
3rdamention
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Yep, they probably want to avoid articles and quotes like the one I posted below. This was from Last November, which I think we all agree was the last time Microsoft released any hard console sales/shipped numbers.
CosmicQueso
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A PS4+ makes all the sense in the world.
And whatever else makes sense, including some pack in software. You don't think this would have strong appeal and extend the gen? Of course it would.
Well, yes. Sony's already hinted at the possibility. This interview discussed Ultra HD Blu-Ray in particular, but the idea's being considered.
Yeah. If only we lived in a world where a company could slap the name "New" on a revision of an old device, make the specs just slightly better while removing the power cable from the box and still sell millions, right?
- Ultra HD Blu Ray Support
- Ready for VR - no add ons required
- Hybrid 1TB hard drive
- Faster Loading Times
- 1 year PS+ included
And whatever else makes sense, including some pack in software. You don't think this would have strong appeal and extend the gen? Of course it would.
Well, yes. Sony's already hinted at the possibility. This interview discussed Ultra HD Blu-Ray in particular, but the idea's being considered.
Yeah. If only we lived in a world where a company could slap the name "New" on a revision of an old device, make the specs just slightly better while removing the power cable from the box and still sell millions, right?
gundamkyoukai
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Depending on the lens PS4 should be able to do UHD Blu ray
VR will be a add on no matter what to expensive to add to new hardware .
Hybrid drive is a waste of money .
Faster loading times not a big selling point .
It would just make sense to bring out PS5 earlier and make it a event .
It would be disastrous. You don't update the box after its launched. There is no way to be "ready for VR" with no add ons to begin with without bigger hardware. And a new PS5 makes doing that absolutely redundant. Same with UHD Blu ray support. The Bluray drive in the PS4 doesn't even support 100GB Blu ray discs.
Consoles are hardly the same as "any old box". And Sony was asked a question about it and they said it was theoretically possible because of x86 but not something they were exploring. And Yoshida actually expanded on that later and said it was only a hypothetical musing and that they had no plans.
It just doesn't make any sense to do such a thing. People need to stop comparing fixed platforms to phones and PC's. That is what sets them apart largely.
CosmicQueso
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Wow 2016 is going to be an interesting year.
Totally.
Would you be, really? PS4 showing incredible strength globally, driving profit... extending the cycle if you can is always a good thing for the business side. Consumers have shown a willingness to go along with the concept (new 3DS the recent example).
Maybe $150-$200 over base version in a year or two's time?
This by nature wouldn't be mass. It would be targeted to enthusiast and early adopter markets. The ones with zero price sensitivity. Many people on this forum would buy one even if they didn't really want to because they are enthusiasts and buy everything.
All depends on the goal, right? You want to sell 1m and you sell 1m then it sold great, even if the base version sells 15m or whatever.
Might not be the craziest thing that would happen in that particular year, let alone ever.
This.
Totally.
Would you be, really? PS4 showing incredible strength globally, driving profit... extending the cycle if you can is always a good thing for the business side. Consumers have shown a willingness to go along with the concept (new 3DS the recent example).
Maybe $150-$200 over base version in a year or two's time?
This by nature wouldn't be mass. It would be targeted to enthusiast and early adopter markets. The ones with zero price sensitivity. Many people on this forum would buy one even if they didn't really want to because they are enthusiasts and buy everything.
All depends on the goal, right? You want to sell 1m and you sell 1m then it sold great, even if the base version sells 15m or whatever.
Might not be the craziest thing that would happen in that particular year, let alone ever.
This.
Steverulez
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I think it would be more useful for their VR push, if VR didn't exist (or Sony weren't into it anyway) I wouldn't have seen the need but I could see it making a bit more sense on that side. Its not specifically necessary don't get me wrong but it could give them some nice benefits.
And it would help them extend the Playstation 4 which I think is important because they have such momentum I think they'll want to keep that brand around, launching again is already a bit of a risk even if you're doing well.
Im not saying they will actually do it, but I could see why they might consider it.
igordennis
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That seems like a really weird idea cosmic and i'd be shocked if we got something like that. Adding all that stuff you listed would increase the price too much and this november already proved again that things really get going on the mass market when the price is less or equal to $300. I think that thing would sell terribly if it launched, but who knows. Wouldn't be the craziest thing that has happened in this industry.
Edit: actually i misread a bit, thought the ps4+ you said would have better hardware for vr. But i doubt sony would increase the manufacture price for something like "faster loading times". Thats not something that really sells the mainstream.
Edit: actually i misread a bit, thought the ps4+ you said would have better hardware for vr. But i doubt sony would increase the manufacture price for something like "faster loading times". Thats not something that really sells the mainstream.
Primethius
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You could probably put most of that list on a PS4 "slim" and most wouldn't bat an eye cause of the name.
I wouldn't anyways.
I wouldn't anyways.
gundamkyoukai
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I would like CosmicQueso to explain how you going to be VR ready without a add on .
Even if it pack into the box it is still a add on .
Even if it pack into the box it is still a add on .
CosmicQueso
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Not talking about the headset. Talking about the spec guts needed to run it. From all accounts, the current PS4 hw would need a boost to get it to run VR well enough to stop people from puking or something.
This.
gundamkyoukai
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Where did you hear that from ?
Current PS4 can run VR with no problems just don't expect high end GFX.
How much people you hear puking with all the demos they have been doing ?
The headset is being done for the 40 million plus consoles they going to have sold by the time it comes out .
Yep. That's largely the reason why I find it hard to believe the Xbox One has crossed 14 million units sold-through.
small44
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VR won't be big anyway this gen due to it's price
This (bold) would more than likely be true since most would see it as just a typical slim remodel. If they actually branded it as "PS4 Plus" though? Backlash. Too many people own a PS4 already.
I get that people here on GAF are more hardcore and would easily buy "PS 4.5s and Xbox 1.5s" but this would take things into the same territory that Sega was in during the mid 1990s. The tech world overall has changed a lot since then but the majority of the console gaming audience still buys consoles since they know they will be great devices to play games on for the next 5+ years. You don't want to push things too much in terms of a new model of an already existing console to the point in which people who own the older model feel like they were "screwed".
gundamkyoukai
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Yep the head of PS only expects 2.5 million VR units to be sold next year and that from everyone .
Still it might take off in a big way but best to realistic for now.
Bitch Pudding
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CosmicQueso
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The dozens of companies investing hundreds of millions if not billions disagree with you, but cool.
Take the name out of it then. Branding whatever it needs to be.
Would love to hear from some devs on this. I've heard that, for full game experiences, extra hp would be required. So far, we've only seen tech demos. I don't know for certain, but I've heard a lot about extra juice needed.
Totally!
Yeah as you can see France is below 3:1. Spain is another extreme case. Italy could be around 4:1 too. Nothing really points to the ratio being much above 4:1
Seriously? Zhuge even said it was 1.3 in October with digital and bundles, was confirmed to be 30% digital in October. I even said in my post to you it was probably at 1.7 without Digital or Bundles in November. It probably has a 15-20% digital in Nov. though doubt many system bundles were around.
I personally see that as close to 2 million. Guess we can agree to disagree there.
VR doesn't require high end graphics, presence is more related to other factors: -Geometry, scale, refresh rate, addecuate positional tracking, motion control, hands and body presence, game mechanics, etc.
AAA visuals are NOT required, PSX impressions prove this, the hardware is more than enough.
AAA visuals are NOT required, PSX impressions prove this, the hardware is more than enough.
Even so, I assumed Germany was about average for PS4 and that still puts USA ratio at about 59%
For XB1 to be <14m you'd have to have PS4 outselling it >10:1 globally outside the US+UK. That's just not realistic at all.
Makes far more sense if PSVR needs more power to ship that with the unit and not to bring out a point spec upgrade to the PS4. Ultra BD just seems to be unwanted complication that some think could be the final straw to introduce such a point spec upgrade. I wouldnt be impressed if Sony hadnt already considered its support as part of the PS4 spec.
Anyway I wanted to know if we had numbers for how well SW BF did (including bundles)
ps3ud0 8)
Anyway I wanted to know if we had numbers for how well SW BF did (including bundles)
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What if Sony advertises that VR needs extra power to run, so every VR unit has extra computing power included. If you dont use VR but have the device plugged in, the extra computing power can be used by the game currently running if it needs it.
So if Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 cant keep 30 fps constantly, the extra power will be used to offload some work so that the main process can target constant 30 pr 60fps.
Of course i have no idea if that can realistically work in the first place as a computing power addon.
But most owners of the PS4 wont be angry because they can just buy the extra unit.
Of course some will say that the Devs will now target their specs with the new power unit in mind.
lets look at it that way: When Fallout or Witcher drop below 20 to 15 fps in certain areas or situations. You have to suck it up as part of the game or wait until a patch crunches some 5 to 10 fps out of the code.
But if the vr power unit is a thing an you read somewhere that you get a constant 30 with the ps4vr power unit plugged in, you would be angry at the devs because they targeted the vr specs and not the main ps4 specs.
So if Witcher 3 or Fallout 4 cant keep 30 fps constantly, the extra power will be used to offload some work so that the main process can target constant 30 pr 60fps.
Of course i have no idea if that can realistically work in the first place as a computing power addon.
But most owners of the PS4 wont be angry because they can just buy the extra unit.
Of course some will say that the Devs will now target their specs with the new power unit in mind.
lets look at it that way: When Fallout or Witcher drop below 20 to 15 fps in certain areas or situations. You have to suck it up as part of the game or wait until a patch crunches some 5 to 10 fps out of the code.
But if the vr power unit is a thing an you read somewhere that you get a constant 30 with the ps4vr power unit plugged in, you would be angry at the devs because they targeted the vr specs and not the main ps4 specs.
gundamkyoukai
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We have seen more than tech demos take for eg RIGS .
As i said just don't expect certain AAA games and GFX.
And certain games will be easier to make VR ready for eg car racing games.
small44
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Big companies think in long term, i think VR will be succesful in long term but not in short term.
And since when compagnies has only successful products
I agree with you, like a Elite model (but much more Elite than "Xbox One Elite").
As far as I know, it comes with an external processing unit. The PS4 outputs the image in VR format and the little box corrects it to TV format so that other persons can see what the player is doing, it also handles 3D audio and correct me if I'm wrong: Reprojection, that is converting a 60hz videogame to 120hz with minimal latency.
The PS4 still does ALL the game processing, it's impossible to add more horsepower with an external unit that isn't directly connected to the motherboard.
Neuromancer
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That's weird because the vast majority of impressions and first hand accounts of PSVR are extremely positive. I have a cell phone that can do VR; the idea that the PS4 is not powerful enough to do VR is not accurate.
Even if you were right, though, coming out with a more powerful system that did things the legacy system couldn't do otherwise is a bad idea.
There have been many actual games that have been demo'd to press/convention goers. Just this last weekend Rez and Golem were shown to people. So this just is not true.
Boombloxer
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To be fair, the PS2 had a Plus version, complete with label as "+". Same price though. If it's same price for more functionality, no ones going to really complain.
A VR that a cell phone does can't be really compared with the VR the Oculus Rift does using a strong PC.
PS4 is a weak machine for VR, no doubt about that. Not saying people will puking or anything, but isn't a good hardware.
mejin
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Neuromancer
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Sorry but this isn't very convincing. How much time have you spent with the Gear VR or the PSVR?
Kenzodielocke
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I think PS4+ would be a terrible idea, but it could come with some sort of upgrade program. Pay 99 and trade in your PS4 for the PS4+.
But I hope there won't be something like that.
But I hope there won't be something like that.
Cow Goes Moo
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terrible idea, they'd never give away a full year of ps+, it probably is a very stable form of income for them
everything else is very plausible
everything else is very plausible
Neuromancer
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'PS4 2 - It's got the guts needed to run VR, you know, the very thing this system was designed to be able to do in the first place'
Boombloxer
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This is garbage. You don't need insane graphics for VR. PS3 level is fine. What you do need is a way for people not to get sick, that's more about presence and tuning vs it's so real you're fooled.
Older numbers are skewed by the fact that XB1 was doing comparatively better near launch in many EU countries than it is doing now. Anything from 2014 is going to be heavily skewed by launch numbers. PS4 doesn't have ridiculous 10:1 leads in EU or anything, but your "outlier" countries more than compensate for the countries that are less than 4:1.
I mean, Japan is 2M PS4 to 60k XB1. That's going to skew your ratios if you are extrapolating the XB1 outside of US/UK from WW PS4 numbers.