that appeals to the wii demographic even more than mysims doesfarnham said:was there even a decent release.. dewy maybe..?
omg link plzIt was taken from the ******* comments section. It seems to work but thanks for the useful comments.
that appeals to the wii demographic even more than mysims doesfarnham said:was there even a decent release.. dewy maybe..?
omg link plzIt was taken from the ******* comments section. It seems to work but thanks for the useful comments.
Software sales are velocity. Hardware sales are acceleration.Maxwell House said:360 will win software sale for 2007 hands down among the next gen consoles. It isn't even a close race.
Software sales are more important than hardware sales.
BenjaminBirdie said:You can't really.
Guitar Hero II has been one of the console's biggest sellers since it was released for the 360. Just to pick a title at random, skate. also did very well for the console. As did Madden. And PGR4 in its UK debut in the top spot.
schuelma said:Sigh. Please tell me how we can tell that major 3rd party titles won't sell when no one has yet to try!
Grecco said:What were you talking again? You specifically mentioned that the Wii demographic was not the Gamecube demographic because MP "bombed".
If part of the Wii demographic wasnt Nitendo fans then those games would have also bombed. Thats what you said right.
On third party. We know the 360 is the king but its not a sure fire thing either 1.See Stranglehold and Eternal Sonata and 2. The Wii still does not have the level of support of the Xbox. Ports and half assed games dont count. Dont expect stuff like Reel King to sell. Complain about it when a legitimate third party game bombs like Zak and Wikki (it will).
Finally if anything the only one who will end up loosing is Sony imo. Why would Third partys bother porting X360 games to the console when they end up bombing anyways? Stuff like Skate for isntance. The Wii wont take 360 developtment away, but make no mistake Wiis sales will increase third party support.
Krowley said:But that's kinda the problem IMO.. 3rd party's are scared to try, and personaly I don't think they'll ever succeed until they jump in with both feet.
Something like zack and wiki might be a great game, but it's not in a proven franchise (like RE4) and I don't think it's going to sell that well. Trying to test the wii market with new/experimental ideas and IP's is probably not going to work. Zack and Wiki might sell decently but it's not going to be a blockbuster... I personaly think it might totaly bomb, and that's always a danger with new franchises.
I think the whole approach of "lets make something quirky and interesting and small for the wii" is gonna end up being the wrong plan. The right plan is " lets move all our big franchises to wii exclusivley" but nobody has the guts to try it at the moment.
schuelma said:Again, I'll ask a simple question- from this month only, what 3rd party "real" Wii game should have charted in the top 10.
Simple question
You wanna bet?Maxwell House said:360 will win software sale for 2007 hands down among the next gen consoles. It isn't even a close race.
Software sales are more important than hardware sales.
Gahiggidy said:by the way, Nintendo's stock price is way down on this news, already down thirteen-hundred points!
Agent Icebeezy said:I look at Wii sales with a glass half full. Hardware selling is great, no doubt about it, but if no one is buying the software, companies don't know who is buying the console. If you don't know who is buying the console, how do you know what games to make for it? You can't just throw shit and hope it sticks. So, you sort of have to use games like Metroid Prime as a barometer. It doesn't care the prestige of a Zelda or a Mario, but it is still backed by the Nintendo name and it is a game that is considered more in line with offerings on the PS3 and 360. I don't really consider the sales it has had to date as impressive. Now, taking into that account that a Nintendo property is selling like this, the average 3rd party CEO or president has to think that placing a game of that ilk on the Wii is almost assuredly going to sell less. This is in contrast to the 360's situation. 3rd party 360 games have been charting since day one and have remained there.
anything wrong with having a ps3GhettoGamer said:So basically everyone needs a Wii60? amirite?
goldenpp72 said:Is it unreasonable to assume that many halo fans will still be buying 360s into octobers, you know, ones who didn't already have the console?
Linkup said:Oh I'm so sorry, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with the 360 sales.
Krowley said:But that's kinda the problem IMO.. 3rd party's are scared to try, and personaly I don't think they'll ever succeed until they jump in with both feet.
Something like zack and wiki might be a great game, but it's not in a proven franchise (like RE4) and I don't think it's going to sell that well. Trying to test the wii market with new/experimental ideas and IP's is probably not going to work. Zack and Wiki might sell decently but it's not going to be a blockbuster... I personaly think it might totaly bomb, and that's always a danger with new franchises.
I think the whole approach of "lets make something quirky and interesting and small for the wii" is gonna end up being the wrong plan. The right plan is " lets move all our big franchises to wii exclusivley" but nobody has the guts to try it at the moment.
Wii 5,185,648Xisiqomelir said:Can someone check my LTDs?
Wii 4,519,685
PS3 1,859,649
360 6,726,151
J-Rzez said:360 - Wow, even with Halo 3 they were able to only barely surpass the Wii? Definetly not a good thing... I'm sure October's will show the Halo effect to carry over then as well though... Nothing much really to say here, they'll sell pretty well through the year I'm guessing... Maybe not to Wii sales, but well enough...
Wii - I can't believe this thing is still selling like it does... Strangely enough though, the only true game to sell is MP3, and only 170k... This is clearly showing people are buying this machine for Wiisports, and sitting on it... I mean, Zelda sold well, but their highest selling "software" title is - Wii Play? (I'm not sure, I don't follow it) Which the only reason that's selling is because, well, it comes with a second controller... So are people still buying this just for Wiisports and an extra remote? SMG will sell gangbusters though, that's for certain...
PS3 - This 40gb + price cut couldn't of come at a better time... We'll have to wait for Novembers sales to show what's going on with it though, as we'd need to see a full month when most people know about the price cut, and with the killer AAA software being there: Ratchet, Guitar Hero III, CoD4, Rockband, and last but not least, Uncharted... They'll start to gain steam as the software starts to hit, which is DIRELY needed, and this steam should carry through 08 as it has some of the biggest names in gaming hitting then...
The Sphinx said:And MP8, and Zelda, and RE4.
Gahiggidy said:You wanna bet?
Joe Molotov said:There weren't any this month, and there really haven't been any at all, a fact that Nintendo detractors conveniently forget when attacking Wii software sales.
schuelma said:Ok, this is a valid point. But can't 3rd parties also look at Zelda sales, or RE4 sales, or Super Paper Mario sales? Why just Metroid?
Proelite said:I am getting a feeling from your post that the PS3 is in a better situation than the 360.
What are the 8 games that sold 1 million in the US according to NPD?The Sphinx said:Wii has had like eight million sellers. Those are just three of the ones who charted in the top ten in a month.
J-Rzez said:360 - Wow, even with Halo 3 they were able to only barely surpass the Wii? Definetly not a good thing... I'm sure October's will show the Halo effect to carry over then as well though... Nothing much really to say here, they'll sell pretty well through the year I'm guessing... Maybe not to Wii sales, but well enough...
Wii - I can't believe this thing is still selling like it does... Strangely enough though, the only true game to sell is MP3, and only 170k... This is clearly showing people are buying this machine for Wiisports, and sitting on it... I mean, Zelda sold well, but their highest selling "software" title is - Wii Play? (I'm not sure, I don't follow it) Which the only reason that's selling is because, well, it comes with a second controller... So are people still buying this just for Wiisports and an extra remote? SMG will sell gangbusters though, that's for certain...
PS3 - This 40gb + price cut couldn't of come at a better time... We'll have to wait for Novembers sales to show what's going on with it though, as we'd need to see a full month when most people know about the price cut, and with the killer AAA software being there: Ratchet, Guitar Hero III, CoD4, Rockband, and last but not least, Uncharted... They'll start to gain steam as the software starts to hit, which is DIRELY needed, and this steam should carry through 08 as it has some of the biggest names in gaming hitting then...
I didn't say in the US.Of All Trades said:What are the 8 games that sold 1 million in the US according to NPD?
Yeah, i was. :lol But isn't a single yen still a point?bill0527 said:You're being sarcastic right?
Its down 1300 yen (almost 2%), not 1300 points.
You're gonna give the Nintendo shareholders on the forum a heart attack.
Maxwell House said:Wii 5,185,648
PS3 2,133,654
360 7,626,243
Agent Icebeezy said:Zelda and Mario is Zelda and Mario. Everybody knows them. RE4 pricepoint has helped tremendously. Metroid isn't a top tier Nintendo franchise in relation to sales, that is why it is the best barometer out of Nintendo that 3rd party can judge. No 3rd party is going to outsell Mario or Zelda on a Nintendo platform.
beerbelly said:Are you going to have the same argument for PS3 when Wii clobbers it in November, even with the price drop, Ratchet, Uncharted etc? Heck let's not even compare Wii's November sales because of Mario.... use any month for the Wii.
Shepherd said:Are you saying that the Wii or PS3 will sell more software than the 360? :lol :lol :lol
favouriteflavour said:Monster Hunter?
Maxwell House said:Wii 5,185,648
PS3 2,133,654
360 7,626,243
Agent Icebeezy said:Now, taking into that account that a Nintendo property is selling like this, the average 3rd party CEO or president has to think that placing a game of that ilk on the Wii is almost assuredly going to sell less. This is in contrast to the 360's situation. 3rd party 360 games have been charting since day one and have remained there.
Maxwell House said:Wii 5,185,648
PS3 2,133,654
360 7,626,243
perfectchaos007 said:So basically the 360 is dead in Japan, Alive elsewhere. Wii is Dying in Japan, Very alive elsewhere. PS3 is dead everywhere.
Shepherd said:What are those? The US LTDs are.
360 6,734,332
Wii 4,519,278
PS3 1,859,804
Earthstrike said:Those numbers are in agreement with my own.
So when you decided to compare million sellers with the US top ten, which is the topic of this thread, you were...?The Sphinx said:I didn't say in the US.
But one they can't replicate without sinking tens of millions of dollars into a project. RE4 was a lucky break for Capcom, and I personally suspect largely due to the total lack of software at the time of release.2- The RE4 price point gets bandied about a lot. I say the number one way to see if a game is doing well is to look at the publisher's expectation's. Capcom projected RE4 to sell like 425K world wide. It's most likely going to double that. In Capcom's mind, RE4 is an overwhelming success, end of story.
Proelite said:I am getting a feeling from your post that the PS3 is in a better situation than the 360.
schuelma said:Couple of points
1- Metroid isn't a top selling franchise..and it's probably going to do what its previous 2 iterations did. How does that send a message one way or the other?
Edit- And what if Metroid had sold great? Wouldn't that possibly scare 3rd parties that 1st party sales rule? Seems like its damned if you do damned if you don't.
2- The RE4 price point gets bandied about a lot. I say the number one way to see if a game is doing well is to look at the publisher's expectation's. Capcom projected RE4 to sell like 425K world wide. It's most likely going to double that. In Capcom's mind, RE4 is an overwhelming success, end of story.
Yeah, I'm curious to know how much it sold. Maybe something a little under 100K? It has been ranking high on Amazon for so long.Leondexter said:Where's Carnival Games for Wii? I thought it was supposed to be selling so well, good demographic fit, all that jazz.
10 of the top 30 titles in software sales for 2007 (all systems rank) are 360 3rd party games.schuelma said:So Microsoft's 1st party juggernaut proves to 3rd parties that they shouldn't move to the Wii?
Are you purposely ignoring the fact that MP3 isn't a system seller. It isn't Wii sports or Mario.Agent Icebeezy said:I look at Wii sales with a glass half full. Hardware selling is great, no doubt about it, but if no one is buying the software, companies don't know who is buying the console. If you don't know who is buying the console, how do you know what games to make for it? You can't just throw shit and hope it sticks. So, you sort of have to use games like Metroid Prime as a barometer. It doesn't care the prestige of a Zelda or a Mario, but it is still backed by the Nintendo name and it is a game that is considered more in line with offerings on the PS3 and 360. I don't really consider the sales it has had to date as impressive. Now, taking into that account that a Nintendo property is selling like this, the average 3rd party CEO or president has to think that placing a game of that ilk on the Wii is almost assuredly going to sell less. This is in contrast to the 360's situation. 3rd party 360 games have been charting since day one and have remained there.
Proelite said:I am getting a feeling from your post that the PS3 is in a better situation than the 360.
MP3 is an extremely highly rated game on a console with no other "hardcore" games released since June (we'll ignore the embarrassment of Madden selling better on Xbox), and with some advertising (not lots, though). If a AAA-Nintendo-branded game can't sell well, what makes you think a new IP from a 3rd party will, especially if it's not AAA quality (but may still be good)?Grecco said:I just dont see how you can use Metroid Prime as a barometer for third party sales. Its a afranchise that has been maligned by fans and shuned by Nintendo marketing. To this day fans still prefer 2D Metroids over Retros Briliance. (Mind you im probably on the 2D side).
I remember back when EA was the company that "got" the Wii with games like Blur, Tiger Woods, and Boogie.The numbers will come once the development quality increases. Running your C team wont cut it anymore. (Trust me thats what companies like EA run on Wii).
talking about the kind of sales data that matters to decision makers. That was the point of my post. "Most games in top ten" is a fuzzy statistic, great for bragging rights but not very useful in board rooms. Worldwide sales, on the other hand, is important.Of All Trades said:So when you decided to compare million sellers with the US top ten, which is the topic of this thread, you were...?
Gaborn said:According to Wikipedia (not always reliable but better than nothing) Wii has 8 million selling games (as of July), 360 has 12, PS3 has 2. Considering the 360 had a year's head start and the PS3... didn't the Wii compares pretty favorably.