DynamiteCop!
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That doesn't change what I said, Nintendo just sold you the same platform twice in a new package.
NPD: Switch is the top selling hardware in the US this year so far, Nintendo top publisher; neither shows signs of changing anytime soon
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InterMusketeer
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Ah yes, the same platform, only with different functions and additional games. Otherwise it's the exact same thing though.
mcjmetroid
Member
You're fucked basically
PocoJoe
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"games for every segment"
And here i am waiting for next open world rpg/adventure game after xenoblade 2 with acceptable graphics and interesting world.
Switch offers mainly nintendo fanboy games and indies, no good quality aaa exclusives.
Well, botw2 is next game for me i guess.
And rest of the games are on PS4 too so why to buy nintendos over priced worse version, dunno. (No use for portability to me)
Switch is nice handheld but one of the shittiest consoles.
And here i am waiting for next open world rpg/adventure game after xenoblade 2 with acceptable graphics and interesting world.
Switch offers mainly nintendo fanboy games and indies, no good quality aaa exclusives.
Well, botw2 is next game for me i guess.
And rest of the games are on PS4 too so why to buy nintendos over priced worse version, dunno. (No use for portability to me)
Switch is nice handheld but one of the shittiest consoles.
iconmaster
Banned
I fully expect to see the rumored, cheaper Switch Mini and then bang zoom to the moon!
DynamiteCop!
Banned
Not that you are fucked, but rather you've been fucked by the Nintendo community and subsequently Nintendo themselves as they ended production because people wouldn't buy it.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
are we forgetting about these:
If any of those games don't interest you then its safe to say Switch is simply not for you.
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Yep. That should lead to nice spike in sales with Pokemon Sword/Shield and the general parents buying gifts for their kids during the holidays boom and another nice spike with Animal Crossing in the spring. That game has a base of people who play little or nothing else and dump thousands of hours into it on the 3DS version. Those folks probably wouldn't buy a $300 Switch with dock, but a cheaper, portable only version would tempt them.
Brazen
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Well I'm happy to see Nintendo has found solid footing with the switch after the wobbly wii-u. They don't need to follow other's footsteps, just deliver on what video game companies do best by creating appealing and fun entertainment. Not too mention the diversity and quantity of studios/devs/etc have in avenue is a win for all gamers just as well.
I'm more optimistic in the next few years and I think they'll keep the momentum, even continue to exceed expectations, as they have plenty of options with the Switch if you think about it. Just on a price drop alone they will have unique selling points; gamers will be wanting more exclusives with the affordability and a larger library going in, siblings will be wanting one of their own ramping up multiple sales per household, and unless some other corporation strikes lightening from a clear blue sky Nintendo will continue to have the portable console experience market share.
Right now the consumers are speaking that the success of Switch is deserved. I just hope they don't end up sleeping on these laurels and work on needed improvements, their online being the number one imo.
I'm more optimistic in the next few years and I think they'll keep the momentum, even continue to exceed expectations, as they have plenty of options with the Switch if you think about it. Just on a price drop alone they will have unique selling points; gamers will be wanting more exclusives with the affordability and a larger library going in, siblings will be wanting one of their own ramping up multiple sales per household, and unless some other corporation strikes lightening from a clear blue sky Nintendo will continue to have the portable console experience market share.
Right now the consumers are speaking that the success of Switch is deserved. I just hope they don't end up sleeping on these laurels and work on needed improvements, their online being the number one imo.
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The Mad Draklor
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I "conveniently" not listed MK8 because MK8 is both on the Wii U and Switch. I was refuting the notion that the Switch has nothing more than Wii U ports. It's the same reason why I did not include BOTW.
Why? I don't understand the reasoning.
The way you present it, I get the impression that you feel personally slighted in some way that Nintendos console has "bad graphics".
Or that it's some big insult to the gaming community at large that their console is a hybrid kind of thing and so if you want to play 4k Zelda you can't because it's not on PS4.
People act like it's almost an offence to release a console that isn't trying to be the most powerful thing ever.
You even have an answer to the console being a handheld. Oh they should just make a PS4 and XBOX version of the games that can run in 4K or whatever, yeah?
Is it "anti-consumer" for Nintendo to only have their games on their own hardware?
How dare they ask you for 300 bucks for their console!
They way I've always figured it is if a company makes a product that I don't want to buy then I won't buy.
If they make a product I am interested in but there are reasons why I would never buy then I might say so.
This comes across though like you are actually offended that Nintendo maybe a hybrid home/handheld console and put their own exclusive games on it and added a 300 buck price tag.
It's not even as powerful as PS3!? Oh no! How will I ever manage to find videogames that I like if the graphics are all "last gen"?
It's not the same platform though.
Let me get this right.
You can tell the difference between PS3, Switch and PS4 graphics?
You're real fucking vigilant about that.
"I played BotW on my 4k TV and it just look awful oh my god it looked so bad compared to PS4 graphics."
BUUUUUUT you can't tell the difference between the Wii U and the Switch.
That fucking close attention to detail is out the window suddenly.
Your powers of observation are pretty sporadic there.
"I've noticed that the Switch is supported by Wii U ports"
*user posts list of popular Switch games that were not ports*
"Oh I didn't notice those ones".
Dude, arguing that a popular console shouldn't be popular is just a losing battle.
It's popular.
It has decent games.
It has great exclusive games.
It's both handheld and can be played on a monitor/TV.
All you've really offered up is "well I don't think it should be popular".
OK. It still is though.
Nintendo: Here is our new console, would you like to buy one from us?
Consumers: Yes, can i also have some games please?
DynamiteCop!: Nintendo is lying to the community! The graphics are bad! These are 2012 graphics and it's all ports and sequels! Groupthink! Fanboys!
I can imagine you seeing The Witcher 3 announced for Switch and the people saying "awesome portable Witcher" and then scoffing at those fools getting a shitty looking version of an old-ass game.
Then you turn around to decide on the evenings gaming. Will it be Anthem or Fallout 76?
You should feel bad!
Those great games you've been enjoying? LIES! DELUSIONS!
Instead of following the "Nintendo Community" and believing in the great "It's All About The Games" lie you should have been on your hands and knees worshiping the graphical superiority of REAL high quality graphics in glorious 4K.
Danjin44
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That's most your problem, there were bunch of good games like Xenoblade 2 and Octopath but you seem have no interest in those games. It like me saying Xbox has zero games because it doesn't have games I'm personally interested in.
It's actually kind of worse than that.
It's like you are also saying that Xbox is just "masquerading" as good video game console because you don't personally like what they are offering.
Also you are very "disappointed in the Xbox community" because they happen to like the games and hardware on offer.
Joshmyersbv
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I don't have a problem with Nintendo. I just don't think we should praise Nintendo switch numbers when literally their competitors are getting ready to announce their new consoles. Both the Xbox and Playstation are dying off sales-wise because the new generation of consoles are coming out next year. When it comes to third parties there is no discussion. It may be better, but it certainly isn't anything to brag about either. To be completely honest, if PlayStation announced a $50 permanent price cut the Switch wouldn't lead in sales next month.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Agreed.
What makes even less sense is when they did make a dedicated home console...folks didn't buy it. Thus some games stated on a home console that folks didn't want, thus having less content for the dedicated handheld.
YEARS AGO I easily predicted they'd leave the home console market and just release a portable that could out to the TV. By default it must be portable and outing to the TV can give those Wii U owners the "feels" of console like features ala PSP AV out. With 3DS having more units sold, it made sense. So Switch for me wasn't a shock or surprise or risk, it was 100% what I expected them to do. Double down on portable and just give some HDMI out option.
All games come on 1 platform, 100% portable and HDMI out optional, even if folks don't care for the resolution or frames.....they didn't even care enough TO BUY A Wii U, thus Nintendo is focusing on that 3DS portable install base with HDMI and power as secondary concepts.
Their bread and butter is portable, outing to a TV will clearly not match a dedicated home console like XONE or PS4, but clearly they knew that going into it with Wii U's poor sales. So this makes sense for all involved. To those arguing for Nintendo to make a um "pure handheld" , throw away your Switch dock, there you go, its now a "pure handheld"..... I have no clue why folks don't understand its a portable. I have a cord that can out my phone to my TV....doesn't suddenly mean I don't have a phone any more folks, this isn't rocket science. Switch is a portable, outing to a TV doesn't mean the device is not a portable suddenly. Nintendo will be fine with this set up, they just don't have a real market anymore looking for a dedicated home console, ie Wii U.
Danjin44
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I don't know why but for some people the success of Nintendo just annoys them for some weird reason.
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Codes 208
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If you were a lurker, did ever check the prediction threads? You shouldve seen the vitriol prior to launch. So many people just wanted to see nintendo burn if not just for the sake of it.
Suffice to say, there was a ton of crows eaten afterwards.
The Mad Draklor
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I was very skeptical on whether the Switch would do well before it launched. I wasn't impressed with Nintendo's press release in January 2017. However, it greatly exceeded my expectations and I admit I was wrong. Some people are too prideful to admit that their predictions ended up way off base.
It also helped, in my eyes, that Nintendo of America improved its localization efforts and the company has been largely hands off on 3rd party Japanese games unlike some other corporation...
LordRaptor
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Pretty sure that the switch has outsold the xbox literally every single month since it was released and at a higher price, so pretending that its only now and only because its nearing EOL that the switch is doing well rings pretty hollow.
They would say the latter but they really just want Nintendo to go away, because they aren't like the big AAA companies.
Edit: the types of games Nintendo pushes like Pokemon and Mario are a threat to them, just like Wii Sports was. All games must be gray/brown rated M mono genre games.
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Godzilla Emu
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It makes me happy to see Nintendo doing well. 
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly! The only way Nintendo can compete in 2020 is if they lower the price of the Switch to $199 or they come out with a Switch PRO.
How much do you reckon a Switch Pro would cost though?
Looks like now the base Switch is 300 bucks and a base PS4 Pro is 390.
I'd be guessing that a Switch Pro will come in at 400? Maybe a Switch "mini" at 250?
Don't think it matters in the end as PS5 will almost certainly dominate the next gen.
Probably looking at 10 to 15 million per year at a minimum.
XBOX probably looking at Game Pass as their potential winning move but they are kind of an unknown quantity right now.
Halo at launch could be huge for them.
I guess it depends on what we mean by "compete"?
Switch is catching up on XBOX One and other Nintendo handhelds have consistently sold well compared to Microsoft consoles.
It looks like Playstation is untouchable. Their potential catalog of exclusives plus the brand recognition would be beaten, in my opinion.
What does competing even look like for Nintendo?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The bolded is a great question!
I mean I think it's fair to say Nintendo has been competing well against Microsoft the whole way (though the 360 did do rather well).
The Wii U was a massive blunder that was lessened by the success of the 3DS.
Are handhelds really "competing" though?
If Nintendo's plan is to keep releasing their new thing at the "mid-Gen" point then that's going to mess with the idea that they are even bothering to go head to head with the other 2.
As consumers it's a bit weird for us actually to want to see this competition with winners and losers.
PC is where you can get your gaming experience that is dependent on your wallet but also upgradable and improvable.
Playstation is the home of mainstream console gaming with a few top class exclusives.
Google Stadia is going to be the streaming option which is a bit of an unknown right now.
XBOX is probably going to rely on Game Pass so they are offering a nice subscription option that just needs a console investment and then X per month.
Nintendo has you covered for handheld and their well known exclusives.
VR is still on the fringes and is really more likely to be incorporated into the others above in some way.
Mobile is growing but seems to have a completely separate target audience from all of the above.
Then within all of those you have a broad scope of games from short but well crafted single player experiences to always online multiplayer experiences with 2 or 3 year roadmaps.
It seems like we have a pretty broad selection of choices with plenty of reason to select one or two or even more options.
The worst case for "competition" seems to actually be that everyone tries to provide consumers with the same kind of thing.
So MS, Sony and Nintendo just all go for very similar consoles of comparable power and the choice is simply "who has better exclusives".
At this point I'm not really sure that I'd actually want a Nintendo console that is basically "Playstation but with Nintendo exclusives instead".
Nintendo tried that. Twice. Both times it failed. (Gamecube and Wii U).
BlackTron
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One more viewpoint on this: portable graphics have always been inferior. No one got a Game Boy and complained that it sucked compared to NES. The same has remained true throughout gaming history.
It just so happens that tech has reached a point where portable graphics are "good enough" to also fill a TV console role. It so happened to reach this point just as Nintendo's console business was tanking. So, they sold us a handheld with a TV out so it's dual purpose. And what do you know, it worked.
If these "bad graphics" are good enough for a lot of people, no one has any place to call them wrong. I remember when Blu-ray was new, I was all over it and wanted my 1080p movies. I said then, though, that it would not be such an explosive success as DVD. I knew DVD had reached the "good enough" tech threshold where most people just don't require the marginal benefit of the next step up that badly. To this day DVD players and movies are still sold at retail.
To me, this was just an empirical observation. I felt no need to crusade the wonders of Bluray to prove the market wrong. It made no bearing on my enjoyment of 1080p movies, and I felt no ill will towards the DVD watching masses.
It just so happens that tech has reached a point where portable graphics are "good enough" to also fill a TV console role. It so happened to reach this point just as Nintendo's console business was tanking. So, they sold us a handheld with a TV out so it's dual purpose. And what do you know, it worked.
If these "bad graphics" are good enough for a lot of people, no one has any place to call them wrong. I remember when Blu-ray was new, I was all over it and wanted my 1080p movies. I said then, though, that it would not be such an explosive success as DVD. I knew DVD had reached the "good enough" tech threshold where most people just don't require the marginal benefit of the next step up that badly. To this day DVD players and movies are still sold at retail.
To me, this was just an empirical observation. I felt no need to crusade the wonders of Bluray to prove the market wrong. It made no bearing on my enjoyment of 1080p movies, and I felt no ill will towards the DVD watching masses.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Good for Nintendo. Nintendo needs to buy out Game Freak's Pokemon stock already so we will one day see a decent Pokemon game.
PontiusFeeb
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I don't think so. In the 80's, Nintendo has powerful hardware for the day and advertised "Now you're playing with power." The lower-tech strategy dates from the time of the Wii. Nintendo adapts to the market conditions.
Bryank75
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Time to buy Nintendo stock so. Before they officially announce it.I fully expect to see the rumored, cheaper Switch Mini and then bang zoom to the moon!
Jubenhimer
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WTF? Go home, you're drunk.
Jubenhimer
Member
Switch gets plenty of AAs. You're just being delusional at this point.
UsualNoise
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I have to take exception with the idea that the Switch isn't a home console. I'm fine with saying that for some it doesn't suffice as a home console, but I use mine on a 1080p projector with a 114" screen and the games look fantastic. (Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, Smash are just a few that I thoroughly enjoyed on my "low-res" setup.) Having an enjoyable gaming session just does not require 4K graphics for everybody. For some, sure. But not for me and a whole lot of other folks.
Also, if you can play it connected to a TV at home ... it's a home console, by definition. The Atari 2600? Graphics are total crap, but guess what? It's a home console.
Also, if you can play it connected to a TV at home ... it's a home console, by definition. The Atari 2600? Graphics are total crap, but guess what? It's a home console.
Joelenheimer
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Blood Borne
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I feel like Switch the handheld is selling NOT Switch the console.
It's mainly DS owners getting it.
It's mainly DS owners getting it.
Danjin44
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History shows most people care about games more than having powerful system. PS2 outsold both Xbox and Gamecube even tho it was weakest system because it had games people want to play, same story with Wii, DS and 3DS. Games is only thing matters for gaming systems and as long they deliver on that people gladly buy that system, simple as that.
Maybe when I was younger I care about having most powerful system in order to get most realistic looking games but as I got older I end up most care about interesting art direction and the actual gameplay.
Edit: I think biggest reason some people annoyed by this is because the hate idea that under powered system is selling so well.
Maybe when I was younger I care about having most powerful system in order to get most realistic looking games but as I got older I end up most care about interesting art direction and the actual gameplay.
Edit: I think biggest reason some people annoyed by this is because the hate idea that under powered system is selling so well.
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LordRaptor
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jakinov
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I know people here don't like the Switch getting associate with kids/family. But I think a lot of it's success can be attributed to it's kid/family appeal. I think that a gamer growing up in the 80-90s who is now possibly a parent, is more likely to buy their 2-10 year old a Switch to play games like Mario Kart, Smash, Mario, etc (maybe even Mario Party, Arms and 1/2 Switch) than an Xbox/PS. Most (if not all) family friends games on the other console are available on the Switch.
Nintendo also puts a lot of Nintendo ads in kid iPad games and YouTube ads.
The other thing is super popular kid-friendly YouTubers like Ryan (kid with millions of subscribers and Switch gaming videos with 10M+ views) are very influential.
Nintendo also puts a lot of Nintendo ads in kid iPad games and YouTube ads.
The other thing is super popular kid-friendly YouTubers like Ryan (kid with millions of subscribers and Switch gaming videos with 10M+ views) are very influential.
Danjin44
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People says this but the fact is kids these days play more games like GTA online, COD and Fortnite more than Nintendo games. I can tell you more adults looking forward to Link's Awakening more than kids are.
It's more about the rising number of adult aged people that never got out of puberty. I'm concerned about the planet's future.
Voice acting in Nintendo's games consist of cartoon text bubbles with boop boop noises. Pure budget trash.
The only Nintendo exclusive worthy of being on other platforms is Fast RMX. Those fuckers can code 90s graphics demo style in terms of getting the most out of a system and using very little storage space to do so.
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Danjin44
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Insulting other people for liking something that you personally don't like and you considered yourself as more "mature" person. For fuck sake, do you even read what your are posting?
highrider
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