MightyHedgehog
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djtiesto said:
KotOR II and Fable are strong contenders, I'd think.
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KotOR II and Fable are strong contenders, I'd think.
"LOL, from what I've heard about KOTOR, it wasn't very good... clunky battle system, plain graphics (I've seen the box), and not to mention it's Star Wars (which I detest... 3 old movies, that, while good for their time, have been through the pop culture grinder, and 2 horrible movies)."
Some sources say that KOTOR was shit because it wasn't on a Nintendo system. Did you know that?
Some sources say that KOTOR was shit because it wasn't on a Nintendo system. Did you know that?
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
TOS > KOTOR +1
I have the PC version of KOTOR. Its very good as far as Star Wars games go (its probably the best one) but I really don't think it deserved a lot of the praise it got. I didn't mind the graphics at all. They were good enough. My beef was that I thought it was kind of boring and the battle system could have been better. I made it to Korriban and I stopped playing it there. I may go back and try to finish it soon though. Solid game overall? From a design standpoint, compared to whats out there, yes. GOTY? No.
On the other hand I've been having a blast playing TOS lately. The battle system is a heck of a lot of fun. Its easily the best one I've seen in an RPG since FFX. The graphics, music, and overall presentation are also top notch. I've played maybe 5-7 hours of it so far which isn't a whole lot but what I've played has me hooked. I've already had more fun playing this than I did playing KOTOR. GOTY? Again, the answer is no. But it sure is a lot of fun.
I have the PC version of KOTOR. Its very good as far as Star Wars games go (its probably the best one) but I really don't think it deserved a lot of the praise it got. I didn't mind the graphics at all. They were good enough. My beef was that I thought it was kind of boring and the battle system could have been better. I made it to Korriban and I stopped playing it there. I may go back and try to finish it soon though. Solid game overall? From a design standpoint, compared to whats out there, yes. GOTY? No.
On the other hand I've been having a blast playing TOS lately. The battle system is a heck of a lot of fun. Its easily the best one I've seen in an RPG since FFX. The graphics, music, and overall presentation are also top notch. I've played maybe 5-7 hours of it so far which isn't a whole lot but what I've played has me hooked. I've already had more fun playing this than I did playing KOTOR. GOTY? Again, the answer is no. But it sure is a lot of fun.
Once you hit 25 hrs, it goes downhill from there. Collete and Loyyd are going to drive you fucking crazy
KOTOR is my personal game of this generation. I loved the battle system, the story, character progression, being able to decide the fate of inferior life forms. Resolving fueds, solving murders, learning more about each characters past, custimizing my lightsabers, reading journals of fallen Jedi's and being in complete control of my destiny. Complete control. It was breath of fresh air, i only played JRPGs up until then.
KOTOR is my personal game of this generation. I loved the battle system, the story, character progression, being able to decide the fate of inferior life forms. Resolving fueds, solving murders, learning more about each characters past, custimizing my lightsabers, reading journals of fallen Jedi's and being in complete control of my destiny. Complete control. It was breath of fresh air, i only played JRPGs up until then.
thorns said:
I dunno, maybe it's just me but whenever I look at these lists I just tend to ignore the sports games. They have little bearing on how good the actual games are, and will sell no matter what just because of the popularity of the sport. The same can be said of licences such as Shrek, Spiderman and Harry Potter. If you remove these games from the list and leave just the "pure" games, I find that a much more interesting picture.
If you remove ESPN and NCAA, you take 915k from PS2 and 650k from X-Box, bringing XB and GC down to about 650k and PS2 at 1M.
I'd say that over the course of a year, at least a third of PS2 and XB sales could be attributed to sports games. Madden next month will make this point even more so.
Then you look to Power Pro Baseball, and Winning Eleven in Japan. Seems Konami and EA have this end of the market tied up.
Maybe it's just me, but I think that's kinda sad.
SolidSnakex
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" If you remove these games from the list and leave just the "pure" games, I find that a much more interesting picture."
What exactly is a "pure" game?
What exactly is a "pure" game?
SolidSnakex said:
One that sells on the basis of how good it is, and not on the strength of a licence.
Would you say GoldenEye sold well because it was a movie licence or because it was one of the best games ever made?
It sickens me that Madden will sell 3M again this year, when great games like Pikmin 2, Soul Calibur 2, Full Spectrum Warrior, Sonic Games, Mario Games, Zelda Games will struggle to break a million.
and you act like any sports game sells a lot just cause its a sports game
how come nfl fever and sonys 989 football games sold like crap and had to be stoped this year?
how come espn and madden are selling a lot this year? oh thats right, cause they are GOOD, infact, they are better than good, they are both amazing sports games with very little flaws
how come nfl fever and sonys 989 football games sold like crap and had to be stoped this year?
how come espn and madden are selling a lot this year? oh thats right, cause they are GOOD, infact, they are better than good, they are both amazing sports games with very little flaws
SolidSnakex
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"Would you say GoldenEye sold well because it was a movie licence or because it was one of the best games ever made?"
Because it was one of the best games ever.
With the sports games you're complaining about? How many of those are bad games? None of them. You might not personally like them but they all get good scores, not because they have licenses but because they're good games. How well would Zelda, Mario ect. sell if they didn't have those names?
Because it was one of the best games ever.
With the sports games you're complaining about? How many of those are bad games? None of them. You might not personally like them but they all get good scores, not because they have licenses but because they're good games. How well would Zelda, Mario ect. sell if they didn't have those names?
sonycowboy
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Dave Long said:
My response was to someone who said it would hit a million on each system, not combined. I'm sure that it's well over a million at this point when you add both systems.
I don't think it will stop selling, but most games with a huge first month, sell ~30-40% of their lifetime totals in that first month. From that standpoint, it's got a shot at reaching it. However, when you consider how Madden has displaced ESPN at retail (with advertising, wall facings, etc), it will make it tough for ESPN to hit a million on either system.
I'm not trying to diss ESPN at all. They're performance is phemenonal and I don't think the most optimistic SEGA backer would have predicted how well it's done. I just don't think they'll hit a million.
My main gripe is that they sell well year on year. Madden has sold THREE MILLION for the last 3 years now. They don't change that much year-on-year to warrant everyone rushing out and buying the latest version.
Imagine Halo 2001, Halo 2002, Halo 2003, each with different characters, a few new scenarios and slightly better graphics, and each selling a million in 2 weeks or whatever.
Why not have a yearly update pack- for 19.99, that just has all the latest teams / players etc?
Same in Japan. Winning Eleven 5, WE 5 Final Edition, WE 6, WE 6 FE, WE7, WE7 International, WE 8. All selling over 500k.
Why are they so popular???
Imagine Halo 2001, Halo 2002, Halo 2003, each with different characters, a few new scenarios and slightly better graphics, and each selling a million in 2 weeks or whatever.
Why not have a yearly update pack- for 19.99, that just has all the latest teams / players etc?
Same in Japan. Winning Eleven 5, WE 5 Final Edition, WE 6, WE 6 FE, WE7, WE7 International, WE 8. All selling over 500k.
Why are they so popular???
Kobun Heat
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Just for the sake of argument let's cut out all the licensed stuff. I'm not saying that these can't be good games, but you also have to realize that not every company can make licensed stuff and that ultimately, if the medium is going to keep growing it needs to generate its own IP.
So just looking at the top 15's:
...paints a very different picture. To wit: Tales of Symphonia is far and away the best-selling original game of the month (although Halo is still close behind). They also moved nearly that many MMA's (evenly split between GC and PS2).
This, anyway, is the state of the original properties in the game industry right now. Whatever way you slice it, it's not a pretty sight. But, especially in terms of sheer dollars, ToS did really, really well.
*I'm leaving these on the list because they fall into the grey area where the tail begins to wag the dog, so to speak.
So just looking at the top 15's:
Datawhore said:
...paints a very different picture. To wit: Tales of Symphonia is far and away the best-selling original game of the month (although Halo is still close behind). They also moved nearly that many MMA's (evenly split between GC and PS2).
This, anyway, is the state of the original properties in the game industry right now. Whatever way you slice it, it's not a pretty sight. But, especially in terms of sheer dollars, ToS did really, really well.
*I'm leaving these on the list because they fall into the grey area where the tail begins to wag the dog, so to speak.
We've had this a number of times, but estimates tend to suggest:
Smash Bros
USA 2.5M
Japan 1.5M
Europe 750k
Total 4.75M
Halo
USA 3.5M
Japan 50k
Europe 1.25M
Total 4.80M
Pretty close basically.
And again, quite pathetic when u consider Madden sells 3M year on year without fail. Just in the US.
Smash Bros
USA 2.5M
Japan 1.5M
Europe 750k
Total 4.75M
Halo
USA 3.5M
Japan 50k
Europe 1.25M
Total 4.80M
Pretty close basically.
And again, quite pathetic when u consider Madden sells 3M year on year without fail. Just in the US.
SolidSnakex
Member
"And again, quite pathetic when u consider Madden sells 3M year on year without fail. Just in the US."
Throw SSBM on the PS2 and lets see how it performs. That's the main reason Madden manages to sell as well as it does.
Throw SSBM on the PS2 and lets see how it performs. That's the main reason Madden manages to sell as well as it does.
SolidSnakex said:
I don't see the mainstream PS2-only owner going ga ga over SSBM. SSBM is not "machur". (Granted, THAT is NOT an issue for most GAFers). But the average schmoe with a gaming diet of GTA, MK, Madden, and Cabela's big game hunting probably won't cozy up to Yoshi licking Pichu, or Peach bonking Bowser with a turnip.
As per Madden, in the US, football is king. Make a good game that lets you direct the football team of your choice and the people will buy. The next paradigm is betting on online football games. you heard it here first.
Alcibiades
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sonycowboy said:
I wonder how you'll react when you see the September/October numbers, and word-of-mouth about 2k5 has spread big time...
my guess is that both have a good shot at hitting a million by the end of August, don't be surprised, and any domination during the holiday season (Sept-Jan), will just be icing on the cake...
SonicMegaDrive
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ESPN 2k5 WILL sell over a million copies on each system. Bank it.
Alcibiades
Member
SonicMegaDrive said:
and it'll happen sooner than people expect, by the time Thanksgiving/Christmas comes around, good luck keeping these in stock, no matter how many are produced...
sonycowboy
Member
efralope said:
I'd be happy for Sega & Take-Two. They've been beaten down before and came up with what has turned out to be a brilliant campaign.
I'm just posting that I think it's a longshot.