Psychotext
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Screw that, I'd throw up. I need at least an hour and a half if I'm going to do anything involving bending, leaning, squatting, jumping etc.
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Nutrition Thread |OT| You Can't Outwork A Shit Diet
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Psychotext
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Energy has never been a problem for me on IF. Used to need food before workouts but after a few weeks of training fasted it's not been a problem.
zephervack
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Nutrition GAF, I need some tips for when I forget to bring lunch to work.
I was thinking of picking up half a chicken and a pre-made salad at the supermarket (maybe cobb salad which has egg) and a Vinaigrette.
Or could you guys recommend something else that I can just pick during my lunch hour, remember only thing I have at work is a microwave?
I was thinking of picking up half a chicken and a pre-made salad at the supermarket (maybe cobb salad which has egg) and a Vinaigrette.
Or could you guys recommend something else that I can just pick during my lunch hour, remember only thing I have at work is a microwave?
Psychotext
Member
Depends how good the supermarket is really. I'd generally just pick up some cooked chicken breast and a salad.
Believe it or not, McDonalds grilled chicken salad isn't actually that bad without dressing... well, in the UK it's not anyway.
Believe it or not, McDonalds grilled chicken salad isn't actually that bad without dressing... well, in the UK it's not anyway.
zephervack
Member
Im going to check if they have precooked chicken breast, if they dont then whatever cut they have of a half chicken, thanks for the answer.
a secret-boss
Banned
heh I eat my dinner with 2000 calories in one sitting and its not junk food (burger and stuff)
Psychotext
Member
I just ate 1,200kcal meal with 90g protein and I feel horrible. Couldn't imagine eating more. Well, not healthy food anyway. I could probably do 2,000kcal of chocolate milkshake, pasta, fries, cheese, that sort of thing.
My favorite is Fage from Costco.
DizzyCaffeine
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What's worse - a light beer or a vodka+oj or cranberry juice?
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Deleted member 17706
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The one with the juice.
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Deleted member 12837
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"Whole" food doesn't magically have more vitamins than heavily processed foods just by virtue of being "unprocessed". In many cases, the "frankenfoods" are fortified with added vitamins you don't find in the natural stuff (I'm not advocating eating processed food, though). The only truth you can rely on is the nutrition label.
Also energy isn't really any kind of useful indicator for whether or not you're getting enough vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, etc. Having regular blood work done over a year or so is probably the best bet to seeing where one stands.
Same here. I did IF but worked out before dinner instead of lunch for a long time, mainly due to my work schedule, but I recently switched to a fasted workout and have been loving it. The key for me is making sure I'm hydrated, otherwise I feel awful at the gym and my lifts definitely suffer.
I differ from you on consumption though, I have no issue downing 2000 calories after a tough workout : ) . Even if it's all clean (Chipotle FTW).
Psychotext
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I wish you bloody Americans would stop talking about Chipotle. 
lol
lol
I should just start making it at home. It's not exactly complicated.
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I wish you bloody Americans would stop talking about Chipoltle.
lol
I should just start making it at home. It's not exactly complicated.
Yeah I'd save a TON of money if I made it at home, but it's just not quite the same. Even if I perfected their marinade recipe, they still have the whole assembly line + huge batches thing going for them, so it's going to be quicker, fresher, tastier and more consistent to just continue buying from them. The cost is worth it, to me.
There's no equivalent where you're from? Even anything remotely similar, but maybe a different cuisine (quick, fresh and healthy fast casual food)?
So I'm starting a diet/healthier lifestyle today (random, I know, its Tuesday but #YOLO) and I'm looking for some general advice and guidance. I was on a high-carb diet before, which explains why I'm so out of shape, and I would literally eat and drink anything. Today I had a yoghurt for breakfast, have switched crisps for Weight Watcher ones, swapped fizzy drinks for flavoured still water. I'm on the right track, I think, I just need some tips on how to lose weight, what some healthy yet tasty meal suggestions are, etc. All help will be appreciated.
Psychotext
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Not really. Not a massive deal though, I've never really struggled for anything to eat as I'm a fairly proficient cook.
Read the OP, use calculator to get macros, get a plan going calorie wise to lose fat, begin choosing foods to hit those macros, eat said foods in consistent manor.
http://highsteaks.com/do-you-need-v...a-response-to-marks-daily-apple-caveat-vegor/
Great article on veggies and micro nutrients.
Great article on veggies and micro nutrients.
Psychotext
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What an odd argument. There's very little that you actually "need" to be generally healthy. That's not to say that certain foods don't have distinct advantages (including certain meats).
anonymous_abc
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Not to knock you ILB, but I find it amazing that someone with your unconventional views on nutrition would start a nutrition OT. It's almost like someone starting an OT on space travel who doesn't believe we went to the moon.
Anyway anecdotal evidence: I know people who basically don't eat vegetables and all I can say it they look exponentially more unhealthy than the people I know who don't eat meat.
And I always feel very sorry for their kids who are growing up without greens.
Anyway anecdotal evidence: I know people who basically don't eat vegetables and all I can say it they look exponentially more unhealthy than the people I know who don't eat meat.
And I always feel very sorry for their kids who are growing up without greens.
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Deleted member 17706
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Bunch of nonsense, this.
ILB may follow one type of diet right now, but it's obvious that he's very interested in gaining knowledge on the subject, like lots of us here.
And you top it off with an anecdote that means nothing to anyone.
You put it better then I could have.
Just because I follow keto does not mean I think it is a one size fits all solution, in fact I know it isn't, which is why the op states to go with what you want to do, not what you are told to do.
I tried several diets before I tried out keto, and found that it works for me. YMMV.
And I'm absolutely learning all the time, changing stuff around in my own personal diet as well. I know just a tiny bit when it comes to food, but what I do know can be helpful to many, which is why I started the thread. I think a lot of people overestimate what the general knowledge of food is like, not everyone is on GAF or reddit doing research into the subject.
Is that really an article? Who quotes comments of an online article as a source of info to be disputed? I guess all of humanity should only subsist on wild game until they are killed off in a few months and then we all starve to death.
anonymous_abc
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Keto is one thing quoting articles which says vegetables are not necessary is quite another.
By all means do what is working for you, that's great.
That doesn't change the fact that what you are doing is very unconventional. No one will be able to convince me that eating one type of meal for months on end is anything but unconventional. Keto or not is beside the point.
Just to make it absolutely clear, that doesn't make it bad, just very unconventional.
In other news:
petrolium.com just debunked climate change. So that's a relief.
I quite like ILB's rather unconventional approach to nutrition, it's great that after some research on your own you found a diet pattern that suits you best.
And while I do not agree with everything in that vegetables article you posted, some of it makes sense like the oxalic acid part for instance. Personally I'm trying to do the same, I try to avoid oxalic acid rich foods, although I'm not 100% consistent about it, since I absolutely love blueberries and almonds, but at least I'm not buying into that 'spinach-superfood-craze' either.
Oh and btw that cake you eat every day even though you're doing keto made me really curious.
I tried it myself and it is surprisingly awesome, initially I was very skeptical (being on keto and having cake every single day, wut?) but I was proven wrong. I made some alterations myself and used a couple vanilla pods instead of the coffee extract and 100% Erythritol, because I couldn't find Swerve and it turned out great. I'm actually considering to leave out the frosting next time as I am not a big fan of it myself either.
But yeah thanks for that recipe.
And while I do not agree with everything in that vegetables article you posted, some of it makes sense like the oxalic acid part for instance. Personally I'm trying to do the same, I try to avoid oxalic acid rich foods, although I'm not 100% consistent about it, since I absolutely love blueberries and almonds, but at least I'm not buying into that 'spinach-superfood-craze' either.
Oh and btw that cake you eat every day even though you're doing keto made me really curious.
I tried it myself and it is surprisingly awesome, initially I was very skeptical (being on keto and having cake every single day, wut?) but I was proven wrong. I made some alterations myself and used a couple vanilla pods instead of the coffee extract and 100% Erythritol, because I couldn't find Swerve and it turned out great. I'm actually considering to leave out the frosting next time as I am not a big fan of it myself either.
But yeah thanks for that recipe.
Psychotext
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It's a nice cake for sure. Still not entirely convinced about eating that much sweetener though.
william_557
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I just recently started eating a sultana bran cereal and bananna combo
(Still get take out often though)
It's true sugar alcohols do have a laxative effect when consumed in large doses, but AFAIK are relatively safe otherwise, especially erythritol. And if you are looking for a sugar substitute I much rather have those than say aspartame or cyclamate for instance.
Xylitol and erythritol are also potentially beneficial for oral health so that's another plus.
Xylitol and erythritol are also potentially beneficial for oral health so that's another plus.
Psychotext
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God Dayumm
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Insulin spikes send me to sleep, but I can't lift fasted either it gives me food anxiety. So what I do is eat some cottage cheese with pecans and MCT oil. It doesn't have much sugar or carbs and cheese protein (casein) is slow digesting so it doesn't make me tired and it satiates me for the duration of the workout
Those are on xylitol, unfortunately I don't have any about erythritol at hand, I would have to google them myself.
Sugar substitute may prevent cavities in toddlers | Reuters
Second Opinion - dentaltown
Doctor Xylitol: Xylitol Research - The Natural Sweetner
Psychotext
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Ok... that's a bit more obvious than I expected. I thought actual benefit rather than "don't have sugar and your teeth wont rot". Cheers though.
What on earth is food anxiety?
What on earth is food anxiety?
I'm not really trying to lose weight as such, just eat better, sleep better and feel better generally. I wanted a few opinions on bread for fellow Gaffers. I know bread is bad, especially white bread. I do like bread and take a sandwich to work maybe 3 times a week (two slices of granary) and have maybe a slice of toast with breakfast once at a weekend.
Is that excessive do you think? Are there better breads I could try (maybe soda?) for a healthier bread? I don't really want to stop eating bread and I won't start eating it daily either - any thoughts or tips would be great! However, if there are better alternatives that are readily available that could replace my bread I'd be will to try. Also I don't really have the time or patience to start baking my own!
Is that excessive do you think? Are there better breads I could try (maybe soda?) for a healthier bread? I don't really want to stop eating bread and I won't start eating it daily either - any thoughts or tips would be great! However, if there are better alternatives that are readily available that could replace my bread I'd be will to try. Also I don't really have the time or patience to start baking my own!
Any problem with bringing salads to work? They're basically breadless sandwiches. Bread on one weekday is fine...I have a cheat day...but I've seen tremendous success in cutting out bread of my daily life.
When I do eat carbs, it's usually only on lifting days, and it's limited to potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice, and steel cut oats.
Psychotext
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It's packed full of calories. The fact that they're largely garbage calories don't really help. But having it from time to time? Why not, as long as you establish that it's a treat.
There are better forms of bread, but how much better they are is debatable. The whole grain thing being largely nonsense especially. Your best bet is just avoiding the ones that are full of artificial ingredients Oh, and if it's got more than a two or three of grams of sugar in it (per 100g), then it's not bread... it's a cake.
/has tried American bread
/was disgusted
There are better forms of bread, but how much better they are is debatable. The whole grain thing being largely nonsense especially. Your best bet is just avoiding the ones that are full of artificial ingredients Oh, and if it's got more than a two or three of grams of sugar in it (per 100g), then it's not bread... it's a cake.
/has tried American bread
/was disgusted
God Dayumm
Banned
Like thinking about eating all the time
I will out work a shit diet, you watch me!
But seriously, I stay healthy Monday-Friday with low carb and high fat and protein. Then on Saturday and Sunday I eat whatever I want. There's little fat on my belly but it's nothing I can't work off with extra cardio during the week.
Just started doing 50 kettlebell swings every morning for cardio. Hoping to drop a little fat off before my wedding in March.
But seriously, I stay healthy Monday-Friday with low carb and high fat and protein. Then on Saturday and Sunday I eat whatever I want. There's little fat on my belly but it's nothing I can't work off with extra cardio during the week.
Just started doing 50 kettlebell swings every morning for cardio. Hoping to drop a little fat off before my wedding in March.
Psychotext
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But you're lifting. Surely nothing is going through your head aside from LOUD MUSIC and HOLY SHIT THIS IS HEAVY then RRRAAARRRGGHHHH PUMPED.
God Dayumm
Banned
No! lol. I'm easily distracted
Taking salads to work is no problem really - there is a slight problem with the fresh ingredients and having to stop more often to pick them up, but a bit more effort from myself could overcome that. I could save the bread for a day off at weekends. And thinking about it I enjoy carbs more as hot meals (such as mashed potato, pasta etc.) rather than a sandwich. I'll try to cut down, thanks for sharing.
Just a quick +1 for smoothies mentioned elsewhere in this thread. I replaced my normal bread-based lunches with a large fruit n veg smoothie last year and have never looked back. Ive always been active and always considered slim but Ive really seen the difference since having a nutriblast for lunch, not only in reduced body fat but also in better sleep patterns and higher overall energy levels. I eat pretty healthily anyway but have never calorie-counted or obsessed over balancing - I just tend to use common sense and try to stay in control of food preparation. Whats also helped is almost entirely giving up alcohol except for social events and swapping out tea and coffee for herbal teas (apart from my morning pint of PG Tips with breakfast).
In case anyones interested, my general go-to lunch smoothie (with occasional variation) is:
Its embedded in my DNA to love junk food and I have very poor willpower, but a philosophy thats worked for me over several years is to resist buying junk, but always to accept it if offered. I dont buy chocolate biscuits, but if someone passes a packet round in work, I help myself. That way its a randomly-generated treat rather than a routine snack. If I ever do have a junk in the house then I wont rest until its eaten. Another obvious trick is never to food shop when hungry. Almonds are my kryptonite, though. I eat these by the bucketful.
In case anyones interested, my general go-to lunch smoothie (with occasional variation) is:
- Two organic bananas (skins left on)
- Four frozen spinach cubes (or a handful of fresh kale if I have it in)
- A big handful of frozen forest fruits (strawberries, blueberries, redcurrants, blackberries)
- Two tablespoons of milled flax seeds, dried goji berries, chia seeds
- A small handful of cashew nuts or almonds
- Two big scoops of Greek yoghurt
- 250ml of semi-skimmed milk
Its embedded in my DNA to love junk food and I have very poor willpower, but a philosophy thats worked for me over several years is to resist buying junk, but always to accept it if offered. I dont buy chocolate biscuits, but if someone passes a packet round in work, I help myself. That way its a randomly-generated treat rather than a routine snack. If I ever do have a junk in the house then I wont rest until its eaten. Another obvious trick is never to food shop when hungry. Almonds are my kryptonite, though. I eat these by the bucketful.
a secret-boss
Banned
Loving my Vitamix worth the money
i can have homemade smoothie and ice cream with low calories
mango orange smoothie and Peanut Butter /Vanilla ice cream
i can have homemade smoothie and ice cream with low calories
mango orange smoothie and Peanut Butter /Vanilla ice cream
Nice smoothie pics, glad people are doing their own thing to see what works for them.
So no veggies and a few months and we die? Who needs Kevorkian to kill themselves with rock hard facts like this. Thanks for your insight.
I do eat veggies every day, and all my big meals feature them, but it's only cause I want to live past 2 months I guess!
Conventional diet is what got me to 337.5lbs, you'll forgive me if idgaf about what is conventional when it comes to diet. I do what works for me, not being told what should and doesn't. I suggest doing the reading and trying things out for yourself, make informed decisions.
Sure. I have the cake everyday still, i was never a frosting kinda guy anyway.
Insulin spike will be different depending on the person and what you eat. Because the cause of mine is the large amount of protein and I'm fully keto adapted, the spike will be much less severe then a normal diet eater and eating something like mashed potatoes or doritos.
After a big meal, lots of people tend to feel tired, this is known as carb crash. I've not felt that feeling unless I cheat and eat non keto. Haven't felt that crash in months. You end up needing another pick me up from the carb crash, so you eat a snack and get another spike from there, and the cycle continues all day.
So no veggies and a few months and we die? Who needs Kevorkian to kill themselves with rock hard facts like this. Thanks for your insight.
I do eat veggies every day, and all my big meals feature them, but it's only cause I want to live past 2 months I guess!
Conventional diet is what got me to 337.5lbs, you'll forgive me if idgaf about what is conventional when it comes to diet. I do what works for me, not being told what should and doesn't. I suggest doing the reading and trying things out for yourself, make informed decisions.
Sure. I have the cake everyday still, i was never a frosting kinda guy anyway.
Insulin spike will be different depending on the person and what you eat. Because the cause of mine is the large amount of protein and I'm fully keto adapted, the spike will be much less severe then a normal diet eater and eating something like mashed potatoes or doritos.
After a big meal, lots of people tend to feel tired, this is known as carb crash. I've not felt that feeling unless I cheat and eat non keto. Haven't felt that crash in months. You end up needing another pick me up from the carb crash, so you eat a snack and get another spike from there, and the cycle continues all day.
anonymous_abc
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By all means do what is working for you, that's great.
CadetMahoney
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was expecting an decent article on veggies and micro nutrients and what I got was. . .
God Enel
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Guys. I need some advice and i exactly don't know if I should post it here or in the fitgaf thread.
Basically I need to cut some fat around my stomach/abs. I'm working out every day (doing p90x3 doubles and some weight training) and i'm sitting at 75kg (about 165lbs if i'm right?). I dont want to lose weight, just cut fat.
Currently I'm doing a low carb (pseudo paleo) diet. Eating about 60-70 grams of carbs (from vegetables). 150grams of protein (shakes, eggs, mostly! lean meat) and 200? or so grams of fat (oil, greek yoghurt, cheese, eggs). I'm staying at about 2100 or so calories a day.
I'm 3 weeks in and already cut a lot of fat.
What do you experts say? to keep going? or change my diet? if yes, what should i do differently?
What do you think about "fatburners" and stuff like that?
thanks for the replies.
Basically I need to cut some fat around my stomach/abs. I'm working out every day (doing p90x3 doubles and some weight training) and i'm sitting at 75kg (about 165lbs if i'm right?). I dont want to lose weight, just cut fat.
Currently I'm doing a low carb (pseudo paleo) diet. Eating about 60-70 grams of carbs (from vegetables). 150grams of protein (shakes, eggs, mostly! lean meat) and 200? or so grams of fat (oil, greek yoghurt, cheese, eggs). I'm staying at about 2100 or so calories a day.
I'm 3 weeks in and already cut a lot of fat.
What do you experts say? to keep going? or change my diet? if yes, what should i do differently?
What do you think about "fatburners" and stuff like that?
thanks for the replies.
Psychotext
Member
It's working... why would you change it?
Don't waste your time with that fat burning shite. Unless you want to start taking amphetamines it's all placebo anyway.
a secret-boss
Banned
I've been cycling Calorie intake
During workout days I meet my Calorie intake (according to Fitnesspal) OFF DAYS I go 700 to 500 below my Calorie limit
I've been down 5 lbs already
Stick with what you have