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NVIDIA just sacrificed their entire lineup so they could sell you a $2000 GPU

GHG

GHG

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Buggy Loop said:
Again putting words in my mouth

"you're failing to account for... only now starting to get games release that require RT"

My own quote : "But those Ada owners by the time games really flex these technologies, probably 6000 series will be out. A bit like Turing being the startup of RT & ML upscalers but we didn't see good implementations until years later."

Yup, you nailed it

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I'm an electrical engineer with classes in semi-conductors and family member who worked on 100M pixel camera on silicon for Mars robots so pardon me if my interest is more into what it brings under the hood on that silicon for NPUs than just benchmarking Hitman for the 100th time

Do not buy it for all I care GHG.

I'm not even sure I want to buy it

I want the whitepapers.

Its new tech. It'll define AMD / Intel's future. They're all onboard with DirectX HLSL team. It'll affect future consoles. If that isn't interesting to you then please do go on with your life, do not fucking put me as a salesman though because I'm interested.
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Dude I'm not the one who entered this thread with the following statement, you did:

Throwing it under the bus as of day 0 review when not a single game supports its features is a bit too much of a risk of a post aging like milk for me. The last pipeline major rework dates back to 24 years ago. It'll not be obvious straight away what Blackwell does.
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So please save me the life story, I frankly don't care. People will assess these products based on what they offer right now, not some fictional and speculative future.

Sorry nvidia have seemingly made your week so tough, hope there are better days ahead for you.
 
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HeisenbergFX4

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spons said:
The most atrocious thing about the 2000 buck GPU is the people posting wanky comments about how they can afford one and can't wait to play on it.
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What’s atrocious about people being excited for a new GPU?

I know some on these very boards who sold their 4090s at a great price and the 5090 is just going to be a few hundred bucks
 
PeteBull

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JohnnyFootball said:
The last time they offered a Ti it didn’t offer better much better performance but it had a drastically higher price.

I’m referring to the 3080 Ti.

The 1080 Ti was the fluke.

The super cards from the 4000 were better but not drastically better.
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Yup, but remember 3080ti was in the middle of cryptoboom, and those super/ti cards dont have to be much faster at all, as long as they get 15-20% pricedrop ;)
 
RCX

RCX

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At the price being rumoured I'm likely to go with AMDs offering. Looks likely to be much better price/performance ratio than high end nvidia

If I can get 1440p, high settings and 120fps overall I'll be happy.
 
Buggy Loop

Buggy Loop

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GHG said:
Dude I'm not the one who entered this thread with the following statement, you did:
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With a simple statement that not a single game is using the architecture as of now? We don't know what's under the hood? I don't want to throw the architecture under the bus because the tech they demonstrated at CES is interesting?

How is it controversial? But that triggered you uh?

Oh, I'll reply to buggy loop that he has to follow the flock, we're going into THIS direction, fall in line, shit on blackwell hur dur dur.

Don't know what you refer to for the week. Deepseek? Plenty of AI experts that have tested it for the past weeks have detailed how this will scale with AI farms and or local inference and have already dismantled much of your arguments you tried to make in that thread. Or is the founder of stability AI not good enough for the brilliant GHG. Rather than reply to me, do please reply to him on twitter. @ me after you do.
 
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Gameplay Gods Bless

Gameplay Gods Bless

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Gaiff said:
Almost everything barring the 5090 will be seeing some of the weakest generational uplifts we've ever witnessed. This was all done to justify the $2000 5090. If the 5080 had actually gotten a significant increase in core count, it would have put it far too close to the 5090 for the $2000 price tag to make sense. 50% faster for 100% more money compared to the 5080 is a bad deal, but you still get the fastest GPU by far. If the 5080 had been faster than the 4090 like it should have, then you'd be looking at a 5090 that's around 20% faster and how do you then justify $2000?

This is NVIDIA continuing the trend of gutting lower tier cards to prop up higher ones. It started at the lower end of the product stack with the RTX 3060 only offering around a 20% improvement over the RTX 2060. This continued with the RTX 4060 being around 15% faster than the 3060. The RTX 4070 suffered the same, offering a modest 20% uplift over the 3070 and it seems it will be the same story with the 5070.

The only cards that have seen substantial improvements every generation have been the absolute top cards. Everything else is sacrificed at the altar to justify their existence. Traditionally, mid-range cards in the x60 and x70 have offered the best bang for your buck, but they're starting to be just as bad as higher products in terms of value which shouldn't happen. There should be a 16K core 20GB 5080 that exceeds the 4090 for $1000, but as said before, it would simply kill the 5090 and NVIDIA is fine offering a pittance for the budget conscious. They don't care about them.
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This is old school thinking the age of Nvidia Tesla, Fermi, and Pascal is over. You're not gonna seeing big raster gains at affordable prices anymore. When Nvidia makes GPUs on the next gen node (N3) they're going to be better with more transistors more power and better efficiency but they're gonna be more expensive than 40 and 50 series because N3 is more expensive than N5 by large margin. N2 will be even more expensive than N3.
 
Hudo

Hudo

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There is literally no justification to sell a consumer GPU for $2000. That's just not a price category for consumer hardware. Doesn't matter if the fucking thing gives me blow jobs. Nvidia are out of their fucking mind and the sad part is that enough absolute fucking retards will buy these overpriced pieces of shit. And thus we will see the 6000 generation be even more overpriced.
 
Myths

Myths

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Buggy Loop said:
Again putting words in my mouth

"you're failing to account for... only now starting to get games release that require RT"

My own quote : "But those Ada owners by the time games really flex these technologies, probably 6000 series will be out. A bit like Turing being the startup of RT & ML upscalers but we didn't see good implementations until years later."

Yup, you nailed it

K-Pop GIF


I'm an electrical engineer with classes in semi-conductors and family member who worked on 100M pixel camera on silicon for Mars robots so pardon me if my interest is more into what it brings under the hood on that silicon for NPUs than just benchmarking Hitman for the 100th time

Do not buy it for all I care GHG.

I'm not even sure I want to buy it

I want the whitepapers.

Its new tech. It'll define AMD / Intel's future. They're all onboard with DirectX HLSL team. It'll affect future consoles. If that isn't interesting to you then please do go on with your life, do not fucking put me as a salesman though because I'm interested.
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Finally, someone who thinks about the efficiency and future-proofing of the hardware. It blows my mind that people are just being reductive, that they’re incapable of formulating a thought process unbound by (what seemingly is) the more intuitive solutions in front of them.

There’s nothing the MLE/SWE/EE/DS haven’t factored in, considered, and/or computed when engineering the underlying architecture. The fact that the end consumer (chiefly gamers) find dissatisfaction in the pricing model using linear relativistic charts and misunderstood economies of scales tells me everything I need to know.
 
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A.Romero

A.Romero

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I don't get it. I'm still running my 3070 because the 4000 series didn't seem attractive enough.

Unless my 3070 breaks I probably won't buy a new GPU.

There will be a time when buying a new GPU makes sense, either because the accumulated improvement over several gens is worth it or because the ones we have are broken. In the mean time they can try selling whatever they want.

I mean, there are shirts out there that cost 10x or 20x more than a standard shirt. I just don't buy them but their very existence don't offend me. If anything, people buying that crap amuse me.
 
Aaron Olive

Aaron Olive

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Gaiff said:
Almost everything barring the 5090 will be seeing some of the weakest generational uplifts we've ever witnessed. This was all done to justify the $2000 5090. If the 5080 had actually gotten a significant increase in core count, it would have put it far too close to the 5090 for the $2000 price tag to make sense. 50% faster for 100% more money compared to the 5080 is a bad deal, but you still get the fastest GPU by far. If the 5080 had been faster than the 4090 like it should have, then you'd be looking at a 5090 that's around 20% faster and how do you then justify $2000?

This is NVIDIA continuing the trend of gutting lower tier cards to prop up higher ones. It started at the lower end of the product stack with the RTX 3060 only offering around a 20% improvement over the RTX 2060. This continued with the RTX 4060 being around 15% faster than the 3060. The RTX 4070 suffered the same, offering a modest 20% uplift over the 3070 and it seems it will be the same story with the 5070.

The only cards that have seen substantial improvements every generation have been the absolute top cards. Everything else is sacrificed at the altar to justify their existence. Traditionally, mid-range cards in the x60 and x70 have offered the best bang for your buck, but they're starting to be just as bad as higher products in terms of value which shouldn't happen. There should be a 16K core 20GB 5080 that exceeds the 4090 for $1000, but as said before, it would simply kill the 5090 and NVIDIA is fine offering a pittance for the budget conscious. They don't care about them.
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I hope their stock continues to plunge all year.
 
rofif

rofif

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Yep exactly. Now your “bonus not part of the stack card” is just a high end of the stack.
 
MacReady13

MacReady13

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The joys of PC gaming- minimal gains for maximum prices! Great stuff! I mean, thank goodness we get to spend over $2000 to make our games run 140 frames a second. Cause having it run at 120 frames a second is fucking disgraceful.
 
Rickyiez

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hououinkyouma00 said:
Unfortunately I think they will still sell quite well because that audience is nearing Nintendo levels of fanboyism.

Seeing all of these benchmarks is so disappointing despite there having been absolutely no chance I was interested in the first place. There should really be more than 10% uplift without resorting to fake frames. I miss when new GPUs beat the previous gen by a tier (xx70 beating previous gen xx80 for example).
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It’s not fanboyism, it’s monopolization. It’s still the best $999 card you can buy and nothing come close from other competitor.

Rant on the incompetency of AMD instead.
 
dorkimoe

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BennyBlanco said:
I see these as cards for people upgrading from 20 and 30 series or older. Going from a 3080 to a 5080 would be huge. Leather jacket man really has a pair of balls though, saying the 5070ti is on par with a 4090 was absurd.
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yeah thats me, going from 3080 to 5080. The amount of people upset they cant upgrade their 4090's is crazy. ENJOY SAVING MONEY
 
JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
My local Microcenter isn’t getting any 5090s in.

The Tustin store where people have been camping for days only has 6 5090s and 75 5080s.

The lowest priced 5080 is $999 and is only one model, while the next cheapest is $1149.

Microcenter made a HUGE mistake allowing people to camp out. There’s gonna be fights.
 
V1LÆM

V1LÆM

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i'll try get a 5090 if not then whatever. 5080 doesn't seem like much of an improvement if any over the 4080 (which i have). and the DLSS 4 update enhances older cards.
 
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JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Dr.D00p said:
Well, if PC gamers weren't such a bunch of no self control FOMO fuckheads, Nvidias strategy would collapse overnight.

...but they are, so here we are.
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It ain’t gamers fault this time.

It’s the AI bubble. AI is their focus.

These GPUs exist to throw gamers a bone since nvidia will fall back on gamers once the AI bubble collapses.

Hopefully this Deep-whateverthefuckitscalled can accelerate that collapse more quickly.
 
JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
A.Romero said:
I don't get it. I'm still running my 3070 because the 4000 series didn't seem attractive enough.

Unless my 3070 breaks I probably won't buy a new GPU.

There will be a time when buying a new GPU makes sense, either because the accumulated improvement over several gens is worth it or because the ones we have are broken. In the mean time they can try selling whatever they want.

I mean, there are shirts out there that cost 10x or 20x more than a standard shirt. I just don't buy them but their very existence don't offend me. If anything, people buying that crap amuse me.
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The 9070 XT should be a consideration.
 
FingerBang

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So, if this wasn't clear, Nvidia did it again. They gave us a generational leap (of sort, but 30% is justifiable when there is no node shrink) then pretended to give us a new card "at the same price or less" by simply changing how they name cards.
 
Gaiff

Gaiff

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FingerBang said:


So, if this wasn't clear, Nvidia did it again. They gave us a generational leap (of sort, but 30% is justifiable when there is no node shrink) then pretended to give us a new card "at the same price or less" by simply changing how they name cards.
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This time, they had the sense of not introducing a 5080 20GB with 16K cores, aka, the real 5080. This is the 12GB 4080 all over again.
 
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