Kotaro
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That's not really it though. There's movies, theme parks etc. as well these days.
That said your point still stands.
Nintendo doesn't own theme parks or movie studio, they only license their IPs to Universal
That's not really it though. There's movies, theme parks etc. as well these days.
That said your point still stands.
Yes it has very little to do with gaming. Next we will celebrate Microsoft because Xbox console sales are doing phenomenally.How is this gaming news? Sony is a big company with many segments,
I don't think they need to directly own it for it to be valued in their market cap.Nintendo doesn't own theme parks or movie studio, they only license their IPs to Universal
It's almost like Sony is a lot bigger than PlayStationWhen you can market cap with nothing, why bother creating anything. Shareholders are celebrating right now.
And Playstation is very big and important for Sony. Are their tv's or audio doing well? What exactly is market capping them?It's almost like Sony is a lot bigger than PlayStation
I don't think they need to directly own it for it to be valued in their market cap.
And they do have Nintendo Pictures, although it's unclear to me what they do since, as you mention, the big movie productions are all licensed to others.
Yeah I jumped in strictly for the gaming side when it was clear they had no real competition. It's been going well!Congratulations to my fellow shareholders!
I don't disagree, but in terms of market cap those things will be included - not only video games.There's big difference between licensing versus owning a division that does producing and manufacturing products.
Sony owns Sony Pictures and Columbia Pictures that actually have the end to end logistic and equipment to produce movies. Nintendo doesn't have infrastructure and logistic to produce movies. That's why they license their IPs to Universal. Same with other Sony's divisions: music, TV, insurance, streaming, camera, etc. they don't license their brands, they actually produce and sell products themselves
Big difference
Dude SIE are making record profits.It's funny because this shouldn't be in gaming because that $160 billion market cap has very little to do with PlayStation's recent performance. Their gaming division has been openly struggling with its live-service strategy, evidenced by multiple cancellations and significant layoffs. The real driver, by far, is the Imaging and Sensing Solutions segment, which dominates the global image sensor market for smartphones, alongside strong, consistent contributions from their Music and Financial Services divisions.
But only one Sony live service was lucky enough to be a success and thats helldiver 2. It is impossible that HD2 did the heavy lifting for Sony profit. Single player exclusives and time exclusives, games like Horizon, Spider man, Ratchet ,Astrobot,Stellar blade, GT7,DS1 directors cut, GOT, SH2 remake, sold decently and gave Sony profit and attracted PS5 new adoptors. And Concord made them lost a rumored $200 million, while Fairgames and Marathon looks like will follow the same route of another L. By the way does Sony have a cut from Overwatch and Fornite? Anyway Im still dissapointed they wasted so many great Ps Ip which remained unused, and great talents and developer wasted there money and time on live service which has not taken fully advantage of PS5 capabilities.NOT One of these games was big enough to show any big changes in their financial report. Trolls were coming up with big numbers to push their own agenda & pretend like Live Service games was ruining PlayStation & that they needed to Fire the CEOs & so on but numbers never agreed with them.
Only helldiver 2 was a success on Sony 1st party live service. I still think , along with hardware sales, its still the single player exclusives and time exclusives like for example Horizon, spiderman, gt7, stellar blade, GOt, DS2 directors cut, Astrobot, and third party time exclusives Sh2 remake and Wukong have the biggest share in PS profit and contributor to attract more Ps5 buyers. Dont tell me hd2 did the heavy lifting on Sony's profit? Well does Sony get a big cut from live service like marvel, fortnite, overwatch? Does Sony get profit from other source like crypto mining or online gambling?It was pennies.
Fans are not main market. They made on their whole gaas strategy way more money they lost, even opportunity lost of not concentrating on SP games.
They are making on f2p games so much money that any mishaps on their own gaas initiative, that they do to establish name for their large f2p players base, are negligible.
Like PS was mostly known for big 3rd party games, but they do some push during PS3 and now PS associated with big 1st party SP games. PS5 have many big 3rd party GaaS games, but there are few of 1st party one that Sony can associate Playstation name with. And without it it hard to push playstation as "best place to play (gaas) games"
Read my post again and apply basic critical thinking.Dude SIE are making record profits.
What are you even on about here?
Sony does not publicly disclose the market capitalization of its individual business segments. I would estimate PlayStation is responsible for around 30%. Their other segments:And Playstation is very big and important for Sony. Are their tv's or audio doing well? What exactly is market capping them?
what exactly are you complaining about when the competition has raised their prices way above this? When the outdated xbox series x is $729 for a 2TB version and a PS5 Pro 2TB can be bought now for $650? Or the fact that a Switch 1 is $300 for weak ancient hardware (huge profit margins) and a PS5 regular can be bought now for $350?So their big yearly promotion is to temporarily drop prices back down to the price it was before the second global price increase (outside of US)? This isn't defending your point.
The facts are the facts. Sony raised prices globally again (sans US) and now they have their highest valuation ever. Fuck that. I'm not cheerleading that.
But only one Sony live service was lucky enough to be a success and thats helldiver 2. It is impossible that HD2 did the heavy lifting for Sony profit. Single player exclusives and time exclusives, games like Horizon, Spider man, Ratchet ,Astrobot,Stellar blade, GT7,DS1 directors cut, GOT, SH2 remake, sold decently and gave Sony profit and attracted PS5 new adoptors. And Concord made them lost a rumored $200 million, while Fairgames and Marathon looks like will follow the same route of another L. By the way does Sony have a cut from Overwatch and Fornite?
Only helldiver 2 was a success on Sony 1st party live service. I still think , along with hardware sales, its still the single player exclusives and time exclusives like for example Horizon, spiderman, gt7, stellar blade, GOt, DS2 directors cut, Astrobot, and third party time exclusives Sh2 remake and Wukong have the biggest share in PS profit and contributor to attract more Ps5 buyers. Dont tell me hd2 did the heavy lifting on Sony's profit? Well does Sony get a big cut from live service like marvel, fortnite, overwatch? Does Sony get profit from other source like crypto mining or online gambling?
The worst when we look at the games output.PS5 is their worst generation ever
Kind of similar to why a company like Sony made a console in 1994 when it never made one before.What makes you think that a game from a studio that has never made a game cost $200 million?
GT7 is kind of the live services side of things btw… not as much as GT Sports but it is not a SP offline game.But only one Sony live service was lucky enough to be a success and thats helldiver 2. It is impossible that HD2 did the heavy lifting for Sony profit. Single player exclusives and time exclusives, games like Horizon, Spider man, Ratchet ,Astrobot,Stellar blade, GT7,DS1 directors cut, GOT, SH2 remake, sold decently and gave Sony profit and attracted PS5 new adoptors. And Concord made them lost a rumored $200 million, while Fairgames and Marathon looks like will follow the same route of another L. By the way does Sony have a cut from Overwatch and Fornite? Anyway Im still dissapointed they wasted so many great Ps Ip which remained unused, and great talents and developer wasted there money and time on live service which has not taken fully advantage of PS5 capabilities.
Only helldiver 2 was a success on Sony 1st party live service. I still think , along with hardware sales, its still the single player exclusives and time exclusives like for example Horizon, spiderman, gt7, stellar blade, GOt, DS2 directors cut, Astrobot, and third party time exclusives Sh2 remake and Wukong have the biggest share in PS profit and contributor to attract more Ps5 buyers. Dont tell me hd2 did the heavy lifting on Sony's profit? Well does Sony get a big cut from live service like marvel, fortnite, overwatch? Does Sony get profit from other source like crypto mining or online gambling?
Ok so the if it is not impossible it has to be likely logic?Kind of similar to why a company like Sony made a console in 1994 when it never made one before.
That doesn't even matchKind of similar to why a company like Sony made a console in 1994 when it never made one before.
So their big yearly promotion is to temporarily drop prices back down to the price it was before the second global price increase (outside of US)? This isn't defending your point.
The facts are the facts. Sony raised prices globally again (sans US) and now they have their highest valuation ever. Fuck that. I'm not cheerleading that.
The worst when we look at the games output.
Don't hate me for speaking out the truth. Maybe a bit hate, but not too much.
We got mostly remasters and crossgen titles and the few console exclusives were mostly possible on the PS4.
Even Ratchet & Clank, considering that the pc port runs on a normal HDD.
HD2, GT7, MLB, Destiny2 are all successfullOnly helldiver 2 was a success on Sony 1st party live service.
You should go at take a look at Sony financial report where dlc and mtx are majority of playstation salesI still think , along with hardware sales, its still the single player exclusives and time exclusives like for example Horizon, spiderman, gt7, stellar blade, GOt, DS2 directors cut, Astrobot, and third party time exclusives Sh2 remake and Wukong have the biggest share in PS profit and contributor to attract more Ps5 buyers.
Sony benefits greatly from gaas games. Mihoyo and Fortnite by themselves are 0.5-1 bil per year each.Dont tell me hd2 did the heavy lifting on Sony's profit? Well does Sony get a big cut from live service like marvel, fortnite, overwatch?
No.Read my post again and apply basic critical thinking.
No it's actually Azure.Is insurance still carrying the company?
Some people really prefer to run wild fantasizes instead of just open and read financial statement. It looks really dumb.It's funny because this shouldn't be in gaming because that $160 billion market cap has very little to do with PlayStation's recent performance. Their gaming division has been openly struggling with its live-service strategy, evidenced by multiple cancellations and significant layoffs. The real driver, by far, is the Imaging and Sensing Solutions segment, which dominates the global image sensor market for smartphones, alongside strong, consistent contributions from their Music and Financial Services divisions.
Imagine Sony giving Hulst a blank check to aquire FROM only too end up forcing them to create some GAAS trash with ugly art syle, monkey's paw levels of cursedAnyone will if imagine japanese publisher under Hulst leadership.
It's funny because this shouldn't be in gaming because that $160 billion market cap has very little to do with PlayStation's recent performance. Their gaming division has been openly struggling with its live-service strategy, evidenced by multiple cancellations and significant layoffs. The real driver, by far, is the Imaging and Sensing Solutions segment, which dominates the global image sensor market for smartphones, alongside strong, consistent contributions from their Music and Financial Services divisions.
Read my post again and apply basic critical thinking.
Some people really prefer to run wild fantasizes instead of just open and read financial statement. It looks really dumb.
Playstation is 39% of Sony revenue and 32% of Sony profit. A massive increase in recent years and it's really driving the whole company
huh? Nintendo co-owns one of the biggest IPs in history: Pokemon (The Pokémon Company), which has animes, merchandise, etc. They make movies now as well. There's the theme parks, there's licencing for all of their characters and toys...Plenty of companies make most of their money on merchandise. Not movies, animes, games. Kids love that shit and Nintendo has god knows how many characters.Sony has: movies, music, financial services, TV, mobile, camera (plus other electronic gadgets), video game, streaming service (crunchy roll) = 160 billion market cap
Nintendo has: video game. THAT'S IT = 95 billion market cap
that should give you the idea
Impressive considering pretty much every division of the Sony Corp apart from Playstation is losing money. They had better hope their overall incompetence doesn't spread to it.
3. Hopefully be less retarded.
Sprout FUD and lies and hope people stupid enoughImpressive considering pretty much every division of the Sony Corp apart from Playstation is losing money. They had better hope their overall incompetence doesn't spread to it.
Before you fanboys celebrate
They barely release any games - and make more money than ever?
What DO YOU will management do with this info?
1. Make more games?
2. Make less games?
Microsoft having a ton of games that sold well to be in the top charts on PlayStation, together with PlayStation having no real exclusives to sell, just shows that Gaf exaggerated how important exclusives are.
Brand loyalty and visibility sells, not exclusives.
It blows my mind how strong the Playstation brand is. I feel like the PS5 gen has barely started. Astro Boy was a big success, Hell Divers 2 as well, but what 1st party titles have they released and have been successful besides those 2? I'm admittedly not a Playstation fan so I don't watch them very closely. I just know Concord bombed, nobody has faith in Marathon, and Naughty Dog hasn't released anything on the PS5 except for remasters. I remember somebody high up in management saying Playstation struggles with in-house franchise IP last fall or around that timeframe and that was highlighted by others commenting on Astro Boy's references to PS1/PS2 IP. Franchises that have largely been untouched for a long time. I'm planning on buying a Pro for FFVII Rebirth and Silent Hill 2. But it isn't PS franchises that I'll be buying one for.
Like every one of thembut what 1st party titles have they released and have been successful besides those 2?
Playstation has many both exclusive and console exclusive games. Just in last year it was HD2, Ronin, FF7R2, SB, Astrobot, SH2. Those sell platform.Microsoft having a ton of games that sold well to be in the top charts on PlayStation, together with PlayStation having no real exclusives to sell, just shows that Gaf exaggerated how important exclusives are.
Brand loyalty and visibility sells, not exclusives.
So around one exclusive a year?Like every one of them
Playstation has many both exclusive and console exclusive games. Just in last year it was HD2, Ronin, FF7R2, SB, Astrobot, SH2. Those sell platform.
And MS state of selling hardware are just pityfull, completely in line with their "put our games everywhere, day1" strategy
Microsoft having a ton of games that sold well to be in the top charts on PlayStation, together with PlayStation having no real exclusives to sell, just shows that Gaf exaggerated how important exclusives are.
Brand loyalty and visibility sells, not exclusives.
I see six of them for last year. Four of them are even full exclusives for a period of timeSo around one exclusive a year?
That ain't alot compared to previous gens.