NVIDIA to reduce RTX 50 series production by about 25% & prioritize AI GPUs instead

Margins on the AI cards must be even more absurd than their regular GPUs. I'm not surprised.
4090 was around 400~ to manufacturer and ship, all their margins are insane for what amounts to silicon wrapped in aluminum foil and fans.

Nvidia really just needs to go B2B and sell or turn their GPU division in subsidiary.
 
This is for china market. Stocks outside US and China are getting back to normal levels. Traditional levels and not covid / mining levels

No one remembers those days? A good Nvidia launch takes around 2 quarters for stocks normalisation

Nvidia knows their markets, gaming revenue while its 10x less than AI, it still in the billions per quarter. Nvidia won't forget gamers.
Jesus fucking christ....there is ALWAYS gotta be a shill in each thread. Every fucking time.

Nvidia does not give a shit about gamers right now. How do I know this?

Their actions say so.

1. Bad drivers
2. Missing ROPs
3. Piss poor supply...but getting better if you want a 5070 Ti if you want a 5070.
4. 12VHPWR cable problems still exist.
5. 4090 performance on a 5070...
6. Blackwell is basically a refresh of Ada Lovelace. Almost no efficiency or architectural improvements. They basically upped the CUDA count, slapped on (very underwhelming) GDDR7 and increased the power draw

How anyone with a functioning brain can suggest that nvidia cares about gamers is beyond me.
 
4090 was around 400~ to manufacturer and ship, all their margins are insane for what amounts to silicon wrapped in aluminum foil and fans.

Nvidia really just needs to go B2B and sell or turn their GPU division in subsidiary.

do you have any credible source for that figure as sounds made the fuck up.
 
Get ready for that 5080 Super $1500 price tag.

Also, yeah, if China invades Taiwan in a few years (more when not if) , the whole world economy will be f-d so much that gaming is going to be very low on list of concerns.
Why does it matter though.

In my country Nvidia and amd more or less costs the same because Nvidia are greedy bastards and has no competition, while AMD sers Nvidia's price point and wants to have the same money.
 
I keep telling u guys, dont hope/wait for lower prices, 50xx generation, being huge dies/requiring big cooling has 0 potential to be reasonably prices.
If ur gpu is still good and u arent forced to upgrade till 2027/2028 simply start saving cash and prepare both physically and mentally for expensive but much faster 60xx series.

I will give u an example, 150$ entry lvl card, both msrp and actual streetprice:






Look how small die it was and how lil power it required, and it was early 2014 aka only few months after ps4 launch.

Die Size148 mm²
TDP: 60 W
With that those cards could be very cheap to produce, chips wise and on top it required barely any cooling- which means cooling system could be barebones/cheap- easier to have very low msrp and no need for expensive a lot over msrp price models

now lets compare it to weakest 50xx card, aka 5060:
Die Size181 mm²
TDP: 145 W

Not that much bigger die size but 2,5x higher tdp which means it has to have much better cooling system, ofc price gonna be higher and it will have plenty nasty priced models even 100-150$ over msrp kinda like top cards back in the day had.

And guess what, we got exactly that, barely anything at or close(10% over) to msrp:
 
Nvidia leaving gaming won't solve anything and just make things worse. You think AMD is suddenly going to offer amazing cheap products once they have no Nvidia to compete with? Please.
 
Nvidia leaving gaming won't solve anything and just make things worse. You think AMD is suddenly going to offer amazing cheap products once they have no Nvidia to compete with? Please.

If anything, AMD gives even less of a shit about desktop GPUs than Nvidia

Don't get photo ops at microcenter fool you, they drip feed these cards. They didn't even enter the steam hardware survey chart while all blackwell cards released prior to april did.

Just like their RDNA 2 "not paper launch" which took 2 years to gain 1.5% from ALL 6000 series cards.

They have their easy money console contracts and they want the AI margin as much as any suppliers. They really don't try to compete with Nvidia. Nvidia could cutoff the blackwell pipeline for a whole year and I'm not even sure RDNA 4 would catch up.
 
AI is a massive fucking mistake that will, unfortunately, never go away.
Going to have to strongly disagree.
Most who hate ai don't fully understand its potential.
Ai hate stems from early development capabilities.
They're judging it based on what they see today while ignoring tomorrow.
ai today curb stomps ai just a few years ago. it's only going to get better and better.
 
I mean, they've already said some time ago that their desired "end game" is neural rendering, for which you don't need a bespoke GPU (in theory). But research in this area is still ongoing and nowhere near where it would need to be in order to be viable.

Realistically, I expect their GPUs to become "offshoots" of their "AI" card chips. Taking those chips, putting in additional stuff, so you can have your ray tracing and rasterization pipeline going and sell that shit for 3000€, because why the fuck not.
 
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Feels good being a 4090 chud. Why not just alternate years? Do you really need a new model gaming or AI card every year?

Nvidia needs new AI cards basically every quarter.

Theyve already announced like 3 next generations architectures, with none seemingly for gaming.
Rubin is supposedly over twice as strong as Blackwell, Rubin Ultra is a two Rubins welded together so 4 times as powerful as Blackwell.
Reynman....who knows.

If anything they will pull a Blackwell again and instead of getting a GR10x we will get a GR20x.....the scraps of Rubin.
We might not even get Rubin as its using TSMC 3nm process......they will stick us with 4N again so gains might be skimp gen on gen.


Ill be holding my 4080 tightly, hopefully when the RTX6090s come those bleeding edge guys will be selling their 5090s for a kind price and I can snag one, cuz def the 6080 aint gonna be faster than the 5090 if they stick to the same process node.
 
Good, more rast performance and less AI bullshit.
AMD this gen got a huge improvement on RT too.

Almost 15+ years on team green, I'm jumping the boat this gen.

Edit. Nvidia dream Business Model for gaming will be the GeForce now.
 
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The one that could have a great opportunity here is Intel. If only their GPUs and drivers were good enough and if their A18 node was ready for mass production.
Then they could make a killing in the consumer market.

Another company that might take advantage is Samsung. They are behind TSMC in process nodes, but with their Fabs not being fully booked, maybe they can start selling more wafers for consumer products.
whats wrong with ai and crypto you hate wealth money and innovation i have become financially independent because of crypto.

Edit- what's so funny you dick wads? not everyone is a wagey that works at taco bell or wal-mart
 
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I think the battlemage team know what they are doing from a hardware perspective and are building toward being an actual contender. I have their pervious cards and was/am impressed at what each could do at the price (even got their latest at MSRP...I know i both gasped and was shocked).

Looking forward to their other offerings this year if the rumors are true!

AMD on the CPU side is doing great, their horrible price gouging (or their complacency) with the 9070XT was disappointing.

(I also am part of the nvidia "problem")
 
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GPUs only account for 11% of their revenue. It makes sense from a business standpoint to phase it out.
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GPUs only account for 11% of their revenue. It makes sense from a business standpoint to phase it out.
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It is interesting that 2 countries as small as Taiwan and Singapore have such extremely high shares.

Ah, they probably are smuggled to China from there.
 
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GPUs only account for 11% of their revenue. It makes sense from a business standpoint to phase it out.
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Gaming is 7.3% and this accounts consoles!

By that flawed logic, because gaming desktop GPUs have never had the kind of business that AI did, they should ALL phase out GPUs and consoles while we're at it and we have nothing left
 
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Guys lets be real here, and i say it as 9800x3d owner so definitely not amd hater- i simply go with what is best proposition- amd lied about 550$ msrp for 9070 non xt and even bigger lie about 600$ for 9070 xt, likely similar lie is 9060 xt with its 16gigs being sold at 350$ msrp.
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What is actual US streetprice for those cards(and we talking US, so lowest price market inthe world):
650$ for 9070 non xt so at the very least 100$ over msrp for cheapest most barebones models

And for 9070xt its even worse:
840usd cheapest models so 140$ above msrp...

Even with crazy need for amd to gain marketshare and ngreedia fucking up so badly this gen amd does fuck all, we will have another proof of that in few days- june 5th.
Look at steamsurvey, most recent one so april 2025 where 9070/xt should already have some presence:
And yet we can clearly see what we see here, they are non existent.
Crazy expensive previous BiS and current 2nd BiS card 4090 is at 0,97% yet amd's entry lvl cheap af 6600(330$ msrp) is lower than that, at 0,93%, other amd desktop cards are even worse( only laptop apu's are at 2%).
 
GPUs only account for 11% of their revenue. It makes sense from a business standpoint to phase it out.
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China only account for 13% or their revenue. It makes sense from a business standpoint to phase it out in favor of the others? ;)
 
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Biggest cockblocker here is TMSC, one fucking company is producing EVERYTHING.

AMD and Intel are using it too so we are not magically going to get more GPUs. Consoles are produced there too...

We need this situation to get fixed first, are other factories at least planned?
 
Get ready for that 5080 Super $1500 price tag.

Also, yeah, if China invades Taiwan in a few years (more when not if) , the whole world economy will be f-d so much that gaming is going to be very low on list of concerns.
Bro, we're already there with the regular 5080...

The cheapest 5080 is $1389 at my local MC with most over $1500.
 
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This is not going to help things. These prices are already so fucking stupid, the only way you can get a reasonably priced build is by stacking bundled discounts. And we know the Super versions are going to be more expensive, in addition to any new TSMC node production being more scarce and expensive. The only thing we can hope for is better competition from Samsung and Intel, but those likely won't use the best process available for gaming GPUs.

AMD has no interest in really competing with Nvidia when they can just ride their coat tails and recoup their margins until Intel actually threatens them. This is going to suck even for consoles for the foreseeable future. Just more big business moving to fuck up this hobby further.
 
Not surprised. Big enterprise will give them basically blank checks for AI hardware.

Gamers won't, for even the snazziest of GPUs
 
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The 50 series is such a failure. What a piss poor generation by Nvidia. 40-50 series is by far the least upgrade between generations.
 
I keep telling u guys, dont hope/wait for lower prices, 50xx generation, being huge dies/requiring big cooling has 0 potential to be reasonably prices.
If ur gpu is still good and u arent forced to upgrade till 2027/2028 simply start saving cash and prepare both physically and mentally for expensive but much faster 60xx series.

I will give u an example, 150$ entry lvl card, both msrp and actual streetprice:






Look how small die it was and how lil power it required, and it was early 2014 aka only few months after ps4 launch.

Die Size148 mm²
TDP: 60 W
With that those cards could be very cheap to produce, chips wise and on top it required barely any cooling- which means cooling system could be barebones/cheap- easier to have very low msrp and no need for expensive a lot over msrp price models

now lets compare it to weakest 50xx card, aka 5060:
Die Size181 mm²
TDP: 145 W

Not that much bigger die size but 2,5x higher tdp which means it has to have much better cooling system, ofc price gonna be higher and it will have plenty nasty priced models even 100-150$ over msrp kinda like top cards back in the day had.

And guess what, we got exactly that, barely anything at or close(10% over) to msrp:

I dont think we are going to get a massively improved 6000 series, because die shrinks aren't there anymore and you need to send more energy through the gpu and raise the clocks to get morre performance.

This might just be the new normal of GPUs.
 
I dont think we are going to get a massively improved 6000 series, because die shrinks aren't there anymore and you need to send more energy through the gpu and raise the clocks to get morre performance.

This might just be the new normal of GPUs.
Even if we get 1,5k usd streetprice 6080 which is at 4090 lvl of performance with 20-24gigs of vram but around 350W that will be good enough to bite for tons of ppl.
That is what we wanted 5080 to be, even at 1,5k usd streetprice(again no1 should give a damn about msrp if its fake af).
For xx80 series of cards we dont need crazy performance jump, we do need decent value tho and high enough vram pool to last whole next gen which obviously isnt the case with 5080.
By the time of 60xx series launch we will know if not official specs of ps6 then at least unofficial leaks so we will know whats needed to not stay behind.
 
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