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[Gaiff]

This is really not meant to start system warring but this was so pathetic. It happened during their CES 2023 presentation earlier today.

Remember over two years right when consoles were getting too much buzz for Jensen's liking? He introduced RTX IO which over 2 years later is still MIA. He also showed off some laptops that were more powerful than the consoles but the cheapest one was like $3000.

This year, they were at it again with their Ada-powered laptop. "2x the performance of the Playstation 5". OK, but it's also 4x the price and is coming out 2 years after so I fucking hope it's much more powerful.

This is ironic coming from the company that continuously prices out more and more gamers out of good graphics cards. If they think $2000 laptops will entice people to buy them and move away from consoles, I got bad news for them. If you just want mid-range gaming, consoles are becoming more and more attractive options. Meanwhile in the PC space, the mid-range is as much as $800 and will probably start at $600 for an RTX 4070.

Thank you, NVIDIOT.

 

[LordCBH]

Nvidia can fuck right off after their stupid ass pricing for all the 40 series cards.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

If you want to see cringe, this is Nvidia's leader. The guy actually think's he's Fonzie.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Sounds like he ruffled your feathers. Nvidias pricing is absurd these days but their tech is years ahead of the competition..

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Nvidia is not the issue, is the people using this line of argument. and why videos like the ones Digital Fundry are cringe.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Sounds like he ruffled your feathers. Nvidias pricing is absurd these days but their tech is years ahead of the competition..

this ain't chief.

 

[Gaiff]

Sounds like he ruffled your feathers. Nvidias pricing is absurd these days but their tech is years ahead of the competition..

Yes, he did. "5x the performance of the Series X" for their GeForce now, my ass. The 4070 Ti "up to 3x faster than the 3090 Ti" with a nice frame generation at the bottom with an asterisk because they damn well know it's not an apples to apples comparison.

Ampere and Turing also have Optical Flow Accelerators which are needed for frame generation but NVIDIA decided not to enable it on these cards, presumably because they didn't deliver adequate results but it's more than likely that they wanted to sell your RTX 40 cards.

 

[Leonidas]

If you just want mid-range gaming, consoles are becoming more and more attractive options. Meanwhile in the PC space, the mid-range is as much as $800 and will probably start at $600 for an RTX 4070.

4070 Ti is a high end card. ~2x the performance of PS5, probably ~4x the RT performance vs. PS5... the mid-range is covered by 30-series.

Calling consoles mid-range gaming while also calling the 4070 Ti mid-range, at ~2x the raster and probably ~4x the RT, doesn't seem right...

When the 40-series midrange launches consoles will effectively be on the lower end of the 40 series. If you care about high FPS, RT and/or high resolution the PC is still the place to be.

 

[LordOfChaos]

I was waiting for the dig...

2x more powerful than the PS5 is just context? No one thinks they're priced the same

 

[BennyBlanco]

this ain't chief.

It’s the truth. FSR stinks compared to DLSS. They are doing cool things like RTX remix. AMD is forever playing catchup.

Yes, he did. "5x the performance of the Series X" for their GeForce now, my ass. The 4070 Ti "up to 3x faster than the 3090 Ti" with a nice frame generation at the bottom with an asterisk because they damn well know it's not an apples to apples comparison.

Ampere and Turing also have Optical Flow Accelerators which are needed for frame generation but NVIDIA decided not to enable it on these cards, presumably because they didn't deliver adequate results but it's more than likely that they wanted to sell your RTX 40 cards.

I don’t disagree at all with what you’re saying about their marketing fluff. But everyone in gaming hardware does that to hype their shit. People have been saying for months that Nvidia is desperate to sell through the ampere cards that they made too many of, so i think if DLSS3 was possible there they would be doing it.

 

[Gaiff]

4070 Ti is a high end card. 2x the performance of PS5, probably 4x the RT performance vs. PS5... the mid-range is covered by 30-series.

Calling consoles mid-range gaming while also calling the 4070 Ti, at 2x the raster and probably 4x the RT, doesn't seem right...

When the 40-series midrange launches consoles will effectively be on the lower end of the 40 series. If you care about high FPS, RT and/or high resolution the PC is still the place to be.

I meant mid-range modern card, my bad. Mid-range is x60 to x70 Ti. High end is 80 and above. Since the 4080 Ti and rumored 4090 Ti are yet to come out, the 4070 Ti is functionally high end at the moment because there are only 3/4 cards more powerful than it. At the end of the generations, it would be mid-range.

Consoles are mid-range overall because the 4060/4050 have yet to push them down to low end. A 3060 isn't low end just yet but will be once the more budget-oriented options are available.

Still, consoles can play all modern games with acceptable quality and performance so trying to sell us $2000 laptops by comparing them to consoles rings hollow.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I meant mid-range modern card, my bad. Mid-range is x60 to x70 Ti. High end is 80 and above. Since the 4080 Ti and rumored 4090 Ti are yet to come out, the 4070 Ti is functionally high end at the moment because there are only 3/4 cards more powerful than it. At the end of the generations, it would be mid-range.

Consoles are mid-range overall because the 4060/4050 have yet to push them down to low end. A 3060 isn't low end just yet but will be once the more budget-oriented options are available.

Still, consoles can play all modern games with acceptable quality and performance so trying to sell us $2000 laptops by comparing them to consoles rings hollow.

Then dont buy a $2000 laptop and buy a console instead? You’re complaining that these products exist at all and are being marketed. For what? Gaming laptops were always expensive and serve a small niche.

 

[lh032]

people who wants to buy console cant afford these ridiculous PC hardware anyway LOL

 

[TexMex]

I was expecting some low class jab. Comparing specs between themselves and the competition isn’t a dig it’s just a statement of fact.

 

[Gaiff]

Then dont buy a $2000 laptop and buy a console instead? You’re complaining that these products exist at all and are being marketed. For what? Gaming laptops were always expensive and serve a small niche.

Comparing a $2000 laptop to a $500 console is akin to comparing a 4090 to a 3060; stupid as hell. If you wanna make a point, the products need some sort of equivalency. That's why the 4090 is compared to the 3090/Ti, it's flagship vs flagship. That's why the 4080 is compared to the 3080, it's high end vs high end.

No one compares a 3080 to a 3050 other than for academic purposes. Do you see NVIDIA coming out and go "The 4090 is 3x faster than the 3060"? No. That's because they damn well know it's stupid. They aren't equivalent products at all.

 

[Sleepwalker]

people who wants to buy console cant afford these ridiculous PC hardware anyway LOL

Yeah, its an entirely different demographic. Most kids want a console for xmas for example, i would guess about 0 kids would want a gpu lol. Older casuals dont care for building a pc either, they just want something that plays fifa and cod easily so they can play on the couch.

Nvidia products are for enthusiasts, plain and simple.

 

[HTK]

Hardware is only as good as the developers that are utilizing it.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Hardware is only as good as the developers that are utilizing it.

This. Very, very few developers utilize the power that these graphics cards can provide. There is just no reason to ever buy them unless you have more money than sense or are an avid fan of simulator games like Microsoft Flight Sim and need every ounce of power you can get.

There is a reason why Console Gaming is and has always been more popular than PC, but I can't blame the folks at Nvidia for trying to sell themselves. They are a company after all.

 

[Zones]

And you forgot this pathetic ‘5 times the power of Xbox Series X’ comparison…

This one is probably the most dishonest piece of marketing, because the actual performance per TF on XSX/PS5 is significantly more than a TF on RTX 30 & 40 series cards.

There isn’t a single GPU, no matter the cost, that’s 5x more powerful than either Series X or PS5, and Nvidia clearly knows this, but they intentionally play dumb because sadly they know most people are ignorant and think 64TF is more than 5x12TF, hence 5x Series X.

 

[Soltype]

I was expecting some low class jab. Comparing specs between themselves and the competition isn’t a dig it’s just a statement of fact.

Yeah i was expecting something juicy, he's just used it as a measurement.He's talking out his ass with some of this stuff, but he wasn't taking jabs at anything.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Regardless of how accurate this statement is, this isn't a "dig at consoles" he's just using consoles to compare/advertise performance. As others already said i was expecting a jab in the lines of "how to share your games on ps4" from years ago.

 

[clampzyn]

5x than series x? Show a sample that games that run on series x at 4k60 then rtx 4080 than rans at 4k300fps without dlss 3 coz as far as i know even a 4090 struggles to reach 4k120 without dlss 3 on modern titles, and no games have yet push the consoles to their limit.

Such a bold claim from ngreedia since consoles use amd hardware lol

 

[supernova8]

If you want to see cringe, this is Nvidia's leader. The guy actually think's he's Fonzie.

When he had long white hair recently he looked an Elden Ring boss

 

[Leo9]

And you forgot this pathetic ‘5 times the power of Xbox Series X’ comparison…


This one is probably the most dishonest piece of marketing, because the actual performance per TF on XSX/PS5 is significantly more than a TF on RTX 30 & 40 series cards.

There isn’t a single GPU, no matter the cost, that’s 5x more powerful than either Series X or PS5, and Nvidia clearly knows this, but they intentionally play dumb because sadly they know most people are ignorant and think 64TF is more than 5x12TF, hence 5x Series X.

That's not really true. In heavy ray traced games a 4090 is likely way more than 5x.
I bet a PS5 can't run Portal RTX or Cyberpunk overdrive mode.
Even without Ray tracing a 4090 can be 500% faster than a PS5 (using DLSS3).

A Plague Tale: Requiem: PC analysis, optimised settings - and the performance boost from the new patch

How the developer improved game performance - along with optimised settings for the best PC experience.

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Crayon]

Fun fact I actually think of GPU power in terms of ps5's, gamecube style. I know what a PS5 can do and it's more or less the target for heavier games so that makes sense to me. I think he was using it as an easy way to describe the performance.

 

[clampzyn]

Yea sure RT with dlss 3 will deliver upto 5x performance on consoles but who cares? Only elites will be able to afford that pc build their trying to portray lol

 

[rofif]

people who wants to buy console cant afford these ridiculous PC hardware anyway LOL

Not really. Plenty of people can afford any pc but still choose console.
But yeah, nvidia and pc market are crazy right now.

 

[rofif]

This. Very, very few developers utilize the power that these graphics cards can provide. There is just no reason to ever buy them unless you have more money than sense or are an avid fan of simulator games like Microsoft Flight Sim and need every ounce of power you can get.

There is a reason why Console Gaming is and has always been more popular than PC, but I can't blame the folks at Nvidia for trying to sell themselves. They are a company after all.

Very few developers use the power but any of these cards can run at 100% the day you get it.
Just push 4@120 ultra settings or rt and these cards are already used 100%

 

[Lumpyoatmeal]

I don't see the problem.

Why should I get mad over an actual objective fact?

 

[Ronin_7]

Then dont buy a $2000 laptop and buy a console instead? You’re complaining that these products exist at all and are being marketed. For what? Gaming laptops were always expensive and serve a small niche.

Nobody buys those Trash gaming laptops, trust me.

Most companies buy work related laptops with integrated INTEL Gpus, from DELL, HP OR LENOVO for their employee. While many others give Macs to their employees.

As you said that's a small niche with very low sales.

 

[Ronin_7]

people who wants to buy console cant afford these ridiculous PC hardware anyway LOL

Every friend of mine who games on Console only is richer than my friends who have PCs, most have 50K+ cash on hand in the bank + investments.

2 of My PC mates live Paycheck to paycheck & one many times throughout the years asked me for money, I gave him well over 2K€ to date. One of them One time asked me to pay is WoW annual subscription which I did.

So people who like PC even if they can't afford will find a way.

 

[DenchDeckard]

To be honest, they've probably run some numbers at HQ and looked at the current economy and realised that they were in a massive up tick in sales but it's literally bottomed out and people are choosing consoles over expensive hardware.

Doesn't take a genius to suss that out lol.

So they are just using a tiny bit more petty arguments to try and appeal more to enthusiasts.

I know my gpu deffo feels like it's over 5 times as powerful as a series x so I don't think they are lying haha, but it is petty.

 

[GymWolf]

The more you cringe, the more you save, that's right.

 

[Mahnmut]

Every friend of mine who games on Console only is richer than my friends who have PCs, most have 50K+ cash on hand in the bank + investments.

2 of My PC mates live Paycheck to paycheck & one many times throughout the years asked me for money, I gave him well over 2K€ to date. One of them One time asked me to pay is WoW annual subscription which I did.

So people who like PC even if they can't afford will find a way.

Hobbyists are like that, they usually put all the money, even if they have to eat rice for months, in their passion. I’ve met a guy who was like that for retro gaming. He sold his car in order to be able to go to Japan because he knew that copies of some Neo Geo game were on the market there. And he was far from being loaded with money. You have lots of people with that mindset in the PC gaming sphere. I’m not criticising, at the end of the day people do whatever they want with their money.

 

[//DEVIL//]

I never really understood why they mentioned the PS5 and Xbox. it made them sound like they are still bitter that Sony and MS didn't pick Nvidia for 2 generations and most likely never.

the 3000 series which is 2/3 years old now is more powerful than the ps5. why are you mentioning it again with the 4000 series? kinda sad when you try to compare a 400$ system like the PS5 to 1300$ laptop minimum or a 4080.

you are way more powerful than these consoles. but you are also way more expensive. do not talk smack when 70% of the world thinks the PS5 at 500$ is not cheap. let alone a 1300$ gaming laptop.

Just when you think AMD was stupid for barking at Nvidia and think they are making fun of them with the PCI-E cable while Nvidia acted professional for few days, just to see them jumping like a retard on a console that is not even competing with them.

the level of stupidity sometimes is really scary.

and stop bringing up the retarded dude who keeps saying TIE and talks like he is gonna shoot u dead if you do not buy the fucking GPU. no proper marketing or well-spoken guys anymore ? fucks sake.

 

[clampzyn]

Agree, people will do sht for their hobbies. It takes a decent amount of self control to balance your finance and hobby expenses and i admire people that can do that

 

[clampzyn]

70%? More like 90%, asia has a bigger market for mobile gaming and console gaming vs the west hence why microsoft is moving to the mobile market

 

[Fahdis]

Nvidia 3080 Tier is $99 every 6 months. Try it, you don't need expensive hardware anymore, just a good display and a bomb ass internet connection with 25 MB minimum. Don't listen to the naysayers, try it yourselves.

 

[Three]

If you want to see cringe, this is Nvidia's leader. The guy actually think's he's Fonzie.

He's trying to be the next Steve Jobs in a turtleneck.

 

[Mung]

It's seems that they are obsessed with specs and theoretical performance numbers whereas most gamers are more interested in what they see with their own eyes, the quality of the experience, and the only number that really matters - the price.

 

[DragoonWalker]

Too bad about the animosity, Nvidia did a good job powering consoles back in the day. And I suspect if they still did the consoles would have better ray tracing and lower end PC cards would have better value.

Nvidia 3080 Tier is $99 every 6 months. Try it, you don't need expensive hardware anymore, just a good display and a bomb ass internet connection with 25 MB minimum. Don't listen to the naysayers, try it yourselves.

$99 every 6 months, so $198 a year. Since 3080 is considered a high end card, I'll expect it to last me 4-5 years. So after 4 years I will have paid $792, after 5 years I will have paid $990.

An actual 3080 is $799. I mean yeah you'll need other PC parts with an actual card but the service has no resell value. It's hardly the steal you're making it out to be.

 

[Leo9]

Nvidia 3080 Tier is $99 every 6 months. Try it, you don't need expensive hardware anymore, just a good display and a bomb ass internet connection with 25 MB minimum. Don't listen to the naysayers, try it yourselves.

I played CP77 using the 3080 tier. Great experience, the problem is that GeforceNow catalogue is way to small.

Too bad about the animosity, Nvidia did a good job powering consoles back in the day. And I suspect if they still did the consoles would have better ray tracing and lower end PC cards would have better value.


$99 every 6 months, so $198 a year. Since 3080 is considered a high end card, I'll expect it to last me 4-5 years. So after 4 years I will have paid $792, after 5 years I will have paid $990.

An actual 3080 is $799. I mean yeah you'll need other PC parts with an actual card but the service has no resell value. It's hardly the steal you're making it out to be.

To be fair GeforceNOW "ultimate" tier is going to be upgraded to a 4080 and I'm sure it will be upgraded again to a 5080 in 2-3 years. Plus you save a lot of money (at least in Europe) by not using 300+W for a GPU.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Nvidia is not the issue, is the people using this line of argument. and why videos like the ones Digital Fundry are cringe.

Is it just people?
Nvidia were caught hiring companies to do astroturfing for them over a decade ago. Hired shills and marketing bots are very real and one has to wonder how many of those are flooding forums, reddit, twitter, facebook, etc. to promote these companies' products.

For example, it costs almost nothing to Nvidia to put a bunch of vietnamese people in a sweat shop with PCs to go on reddit and say they just bought a RTX 4080, in order to "normalize" its badly received price.

I bet a PS5 can't run Portal RTX or Cyberpunk overdrive mode.

Nor should it, considering those two are probably the most ridiculous examples of terrible Image quality per power consumption and image quality per cost ratios that the world has ever seen.

Even without Ray tracing a 4090 can be 500% faster than a PS5 (using DLSS3).

Even the PS4 could do frame generation on PSVR, so I don't doubt the PS5 could do it as well.

 

[Fahdis]

Too bad about the animosity, Nvidia did a good job powering consoles back in the day. And I suspect if they still did the consoles would have better ray tracing and lower end PC cards would have better value.


$99 every 6 months, so $198 a year. Since 3080 is considered a high end card, I'll expect it to last me 4-5 years. So after 4 years I will have paid $792, after 5 years I will have paid $990.

An actual 3080 is $799. I mean yeah you'll need other PC parts with an actual card but the service has no resell value. It's hardly the steal you're making it out to be.

You're literally saving on the cost upfront of $799 and then the rest of the computer. Let's say a high end one for $2300+. Not to mention your electricity bill due to power consumption.

Also as L Leo9 mentioned, the 3080 Tier came out last year, this year they are giving out the 4080 Tier for free if you were a Founder. Which means every year and a half you may also be upgraded with a new SuperPod. The 4090 is also $99. You tell me if its not worth it versus a $3500 PC which will also depreciate in value.

Also 240 FPS Stream, RTX, DLSS 3, WideScreen Support, 4K Enhanced on PC App, Mobility on any screen, Region Free when you're moving around and Nvidia Reflex. The value proposition is insane minus the catalog of games. I don't know why people are not being economic. Really try the service, its amazing.

Between this and my M1 Mac Mini on Parallels I get everything I need.

 

[ozz ex machina]

You're literally saving on the cost upfront of $799 and then the rest of the computer. Let's say a high end one for $2300+. Not to mention your electricity bill due to power consumption.

Also as L Leo9 mentioned, the 3080 Tier came out last year, this year they are giving out the 4080 Tier for free if you were a Founder. Which means every year and a half you may also be upgraded with a new SuperPod. The 4090 is also $99. You tell me if its not worth it versus a $3500 PC which will also depreciate in value.

Also 240 FPS Stream, RTX, DLSS 3, WideScreen Support, 4K Enhanced on PC App, Mobility on any screen, Region Free when you're moving around and Nvidia Reflex. The value proposition is insane minus the catalog of games. I don't know why people are not being economic. Really try the service, its amazing.

Are you just pretending that even with great internet latency is no longer a thing?

 

[Utherellus]

Yes, he did. "5x the performance of the Series X" for their GeForce now, my ass. The 4070 Ti "up to 3x faster than the 3090 Ti" with a nice frame generation at the bottom with an asterisk because they damn well know it's not an apples to apples comparison.

Ampere and Turing also have Optical Flow Accelerators which are needed for frame generation but NVIDIA decided not to enable it on these cards, presumably because they didn't deliver adequate results but it's more than likely that they wanted to sell your RTX 40 cards.

Davinci Resolve actually supports Optical Flow on any RTX card. It worked on my RTX 2070 like a charm.
So it's more likely they simply wanted higher sales

 

[nemiroff]

OP, I don't have much love for Nvidia these days, but your post is kinda cringe.

Edit: I just watched the Nvidia video.. Yeah, ok, it's a big yikes alright..

 

[Leo9]

Nor should it, considering those two are probably the most ridiculous examples of terrible Image quality per power consumption and image quality per cost ratios that the world has ever seen.


Even the PS4 could do frame generation on PSVR, so I don't doubt the PS5 could do it as well.

Image quality per power consumption? That's ridiculous. Using that ratio a 4050 will trash a PS5.
You really think the PS4 is doing what Ada can do thanks to machine learning and dedicated tensor cores? Come on please.
My guess is Sony (and Microsoft) will introduce "comparable" Frame Generation with the next gen in 2030.

 

[Fahdis]

Are you just pretending that even with great internet latency is no longer a thing?

If it was I would tell you. You should check out professional reviews where the 3080 Tier is better than a Physical Series X in terms of Input Latency on some games but not a local PC but the change is so Minimal. Tom's Hardware also did an indepth review and so did Digital Foundry. Turn on 120 Hz with games that support Nvidia Reflex and see the magic. Unless you're a full on esports gamer you literally won't see the ms difference so why even pretend? LDAT tests also prove its proficiency.

 

[sandbood]

My biceps became bigger when using Nvdia graphics card to play Video Games.