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[RedC]

The PS5 Pro is mere weeks away, we all have our pre-orders placed, do not mention the 30th Anniversary edition. Limited edition or not, no hardware is worth anything without stuff to play on it and what it offers. Before the console drops and reviews come out, I wanted to take a look into the digital future and just what it could offer, how it may run many current & future games, and just how it may push the PC market.

 

[RoboFu]

Europe!!

 

[lh032]

cant wait to receive my ps5 pro.

 

[K' Dash]

At setting you back $700

 

[Loboxxx]

Me in a few weeks! and seconds later...where's the damn stand Sony???????!!!!!

 

[hemo memo]

They're still releasing PS4 games.

 

[Markio128]

Ribbed for extra pleasure.

 

[saintjules]

At setting you back $700

I mean if you can't come up with $700 over the course of 18 months (existence of Pro was known since late 2022), you might have other things to consider financially.

 

[West Texas CEO]

The Yankees are 3 games from elimination.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I mean if you can't come up with $700 over the course of 18 months (existence of Pro was known since late 2022), you might have other things to consider financially.

Or trade in a PS5. Otherwise, not sure why he’d care if he has no plans to get one in the first place.

 

[GHG]

Or trade in a PS5. Otherwise, not sure why he’d care if he has no plans to get one in the first place.

In order for that to happen you'd need one to trade in the first place.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

In order for that to happen you'd need one to trade in the first place.

Oh, I know.

Carefully worded.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Most impressive improvements are FF7 Rebirth and Dragon Dogma 2


Most disappointing are Alan Wake 2 and Horizon

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Most disappointing are Alan Wake 2 and Horizon

Why?

 

[Putonahappyface]

At setting you back $800

 

[West Texas CEO]

I mean if you can't come up with $700 over the course of 18 months (existence of Pro was known since late 2022), you might have other things to consider financially.

The price wasn't revealed until a week ago.

 

[GHG]

The price wasn't revealed until a week ago.

 

[K' Dash]

I mean if you can't come up with $700 over the course of 18 months (existence of Pro was known since late 2022), you might have other things to consider financially.

It’s not about the money, it’s about value and seeing that the thing is still available to preorder everywhere, people don’t see value there.

Thank you for worrying about my finances tho

I have mine preordered, I already gave mi PS5 to my 17yo, but honestly I don’t expect shit from it, so if it does the bare minimum, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

"People don't see value" "I don't expect shit from it"

yet...

"i gOt mInE pReOrDeReD"

So you're pre-ordering something you don't see the value in and don't expect shit from? Your name must be Jan.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Why?

Well first they barely showed Alan Wake 2 at 60fps. But even the 30fps improvements are very limited and unconvincing from what they showed.

For Horizon it's their unwilliness to use any custom techniques present on Pro, and not even on PS5 (they never used ID buffer in their engine because it would have broken compatibility with PS4 and surely PC). They are making a game to be easily compatible with compute hardware broadly available on PC to make PS5 -> PC ports easier.

After 6-7 years of owning a PS5 devkit they still don't do nothing particular on this console (nor they haven't utilized any specific features from PS4 Pro) and it's the same for PS5 Pro. Not RDNA4 RT, no PSSR, just relying on additionnal 45% rendering power. Their engine is stuck in the PS4 era and it's showing notably with the very average and unrealistic lighting.

 

[Dorfdad]

They're still releasing PS4 games.

Yeah and you don’t need a new pc to play old games either. The point is you have options since when is having options bad? Just enjoy what you got or want. No need to brow beat others

 

[nial]

It’s not about the money, it’s about value and seeing that the thing is still available to preorder everywhere, people don’t see value there.

Man, stock issues for new consoles during the pandemic have truly made a lot of people to believe that this is somehow a bad thing.

 

[West Texas CEO]

There's no price in that graphic , though.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

There's no price in that graphic , though.

Same date

 

[nial]

There's no price in that graphic , though.

Man, price was the thing most people talked about that day, lol.

 

[BlitzerRadic]

Pro will excel at making poors salty

 

[GHG]

There's no price in that graphic , though.

Here's the link, you tell me:

Welcome PlayStation 5 Pro, the most visually impressive way to play games on PlayStation

Features including GPU upgrade, advanced ray tracing, and PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution take players to new heights.

blog.playstation.com

 

[King Dazzar]

Less than 2 weeks...

 

[Markio128]

Less than 2 weeks...

I wasn’t able to book any leave for release week, but I’ll be working *cough* from home.

 

[Synless]

Ok, we get it. Some of you can afford it, some of you can’t.

Can we get back to the topic on what it actually excels at?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I have mine preordered, I already gave mi PS5 to my 17yo, but honestly I don’t expect shit from it, so if it does the bare minimum, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

That's retarded af.

Why not just buy a PS5 Digital then?

 

[TheRedRiders]

Kudos to NXGamer, I still remember he was the first person to my knowledge who mentioned that the PS5 Pro will have it's own version of DLSS.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Less than 2 weeks...

Yeah and still got no disc drive to play all my physical games on.

My retailer is already waiting over a month for new disc drives and Sony can't even provide a delivery date.

 

[RedC]

Yeah and still got no disc drive to play all my physical games on.

My retailer is already waiting over a month for new disc drives and Sony can't even provide a delivery date.

Just got my disc drive delivered yesterday from Walmart and I ordered it earlier yesterday.

 

[TGO]

The price wasn't revealed until a week ago.

So on Thursday 26 September people went online to Playstation Direct and ordered a PS5 Pro with no price.
And on Thursday 10th October they went to their retailer of choice and again ordered a PS5 Pro with no price.

 

[DForce]

- He performed tests with a 6800XT and a 5600X to compare with the PS5 Pro and the Pro (based on his early testing) is running better, but wants to wait until the Pro is finally released to see if this gap shrinks or widens.
- Points out that PC and console specs aren't easily transferable.
- Would set expectations closer to an R600X matched up with a 7800XT and RTX 4070 Super GPU in many games and the Ray Tracing above any AMD GPU on the market, specifically in first-party titles


Dragon's Dogma 2

PS5 Pro - 54 - FPS
6800/R600X - 41 FPS

4070 Super is 29% better than the 6800
7800 XT is 19% better than the 6800

This is based on TechPowerUp specs/

It seems like many PC comparisons with the PS5 Pro circulating online are not taking into consideration the CPU limintations. I think NX Gamer is comparing the RTX 4070 Super to the PS5 Pro without Ray Tracing.

 

[Unknown?]

It’s not about the money, it’s about value and seeing that the thing is still available to preorder everywhere, people don’t see value there.

Thank you for worrying about my finances tho

I have mine preordered, I already gave mi PS5 to my 17yo, but honestly I don’t expect shit from it, so if it does the bare minimum, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Congratulations, you now know how everyone feels about high end PC gaming. $100 for each fps.

 

[JimboJones]

Ok, we get it. Some of you can afford it, some of you can’t.

Can we get back to the topic on what it actually excels at?

It certainly excels at making people bitch online

 

[Physiognomonics]

- He performed tests with a 6800XT and a 5600X to compare with the PS5 Pro and the Pro (based on his early testing) is running better, but wants to wait until the Pro is finally released to see if this gap shrinks or widens.
- Points out that PC and console specs aren't easily transferable.
- Would set expectations closer to an R600X matched up with a 7800XT and RTX 4070 Super GPU in many games and the Ray Tracing above any AMD GPU on the market, specifically in first-party titles


Dragon's Dogma 2

PS5 Pro - 54 - FPS
6800/R600X - 41 FPS

4070 Super is 29% better than the 6800
7800 XT is 19% better than the 6800

This is based on TechPowerUp specs/

It seems like many PC comparisons with the PS5 Pro circulating online are not taking into consideration the CPU limintations. I think NX Gamer is comparing the RTX 4070 Super to the PS5 Pro without Ray Tracing.

Don't forget that Dragon's Dogma 2 is using RTAO on PS5 Pro. And NXgamer noticed no odd RTAO artefacts there. 54 vs 41 is 31% better.

More is needed to see of course. But it looks promising and inline with the 4070 level of performance with RT.

 

[Robb]

In dollar sales.

 

[Edmund]

At setting you back $700

I earn that amount in 2 days teaching piano.

 

[RedC]

I earn that amount in 2 days teaching piano.

 

[Zathalus]

That 4070 Super prediction of his is pretty optimistic. Maybe in a handful of Sony first party games, but I doubt the far majority would reach that. None of the third party games shown so far have reached that kind of performance.

 

[Crayon]

At setting you back $700

I spend that amount in two days learning piano.

 

[tommib]

Ok, we get it. Some of you can afford it, some of you can’t.

Can we get back to the topic on what it actually excels at?

Elden Ring.

 

[The artful mincer]

I mean if you can't come up with $700 over the course of 18 months (existence of Pro was known since late 2022), you might have other things to consider financially.

I would rather spend it on 70 copies of the Order 1886.

 

[proandrad]

Congratulations, you now know how everyone feels about high end PC gaming. $100 for each fps.

And you still can’t buy your way out of stutters.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I got the 30th anniversary preordered cause I saw value in it, and I’m gonna make sure someone else sees more value in it . . .

 

[Topher]

people don’t see value there.

I have mine preordered,

 

[Bojji]

That 4070 Super prediction of his is pretty optimistic. Maybe in a handful of Sony first party games, but I doubt the far majority would reach that. None of the third party games shown so far have reached that kind of performance.

It's wishful thinking . Other than that his PC hardware was always performing not so great and he always tried to push narrative of very powerful PS5 compared to PC. I don't think his findings were ever in line with DF tests.