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[UntoldDreams]

Deny it all you want, but Apple is already gearing up to offer downloads for full-length movies. In SD right now.

To most users, they prefer getting an SD movie than paying $10 more for an HD movie.

Right now, the only thing we're missing is the linkup from the computer to the cable box. You don't think we will get that in 4-5 years?

You're living in la la land.

You have to admit you are being somewhat optimistic that no problem will occur for downloading to suddenly become all the rage anytime soon.

Granted we have had success with the iPod but that was through Apple power.

Are you confident that NONE of these issues will happen?

1) Legal ramifications from all major participants (say Disney might holdout) are resolved for downloading without fear of piracy?
2) Profit models : Who makes all the money? Certainly Microsoft would love to be the download stream king and take all the profit
3) Network infrastructure: None of this crap exists and to make it go and go well we would need IP6 hardware at high bandwidth or the system would break with all the downloading. Consider this: If 50% in America downloaded 50gb Spiderman 3 simultaneously what would happen? Email would be broken due to congestion and the internet would be ground to a halt.
4) PERSISTANCE: Look people's computers break down all the bloody time. They lose crap on their hard disk. I like having HARD COPIES of movies. Why do you think people like me will suddenly believe hard copies are irrelevant?

You are an idealist sir... The only problem is you are forgetting that idealism means perfect situations and perfect world.

 

[J-Rzez]

Uh... are you responding to me, dude?

:lol No... Just spreading the good word to save the souls of those who may have strayed off their path to salvation... They must see that the devil will try to lead them away from the gates of heaven by spreading false wisdom that Sony may actually win this media war, thus less of a chance they'll close their doors forever...

...and yeah, to the other guy, have fun with your SD downloadable movies and I'll enjoy my HD movies on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD... When I want a movie, I want to buy it, take it home, and play it... Not set up to download a 25+Gb file that i'll get to watch 2 days later... Until overall speeds increase from ISP's and the quality of download speeds from servers increase as well, and for a DECENT price, it won't catch on that soon... Hell, my girlfriend's parents still use Dial-up, and they have a 1080p set in their living room...

 

[ComputerNerd]

:lol Since when is more resolution data worse....because it's OMG INTERLACED!!!?!?! NEWSFLASH: that's what the scaler/deinterlacer is for on your shiny new HDTV.

720p pumps more data than 1080i. Resulting in a clearer picture.

 

[Raistlin]

:lol Since when is more resolution data worse....because it's OMG INTERLACED!!!?!?! NEWSFLASH: that's what the scaler/deinterlacer is for on your shiny new HDTV.

Problem is, many of the de-interlacers in current HDTV's are broken for 1080i.


In theory though, yes 1080i should be fine for film and video-based media ... assuming proper deinterlacing.

 

[Ponn]

You sure about Ghost in the Shell? Most anime companies were very hesitant on DVD at first (just like they're being with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD). I know the first official US release was Battle Arena Toshinden, and then after that was Street Figther II the movie. I don't think Ghost in the Shell came in the first year, but my memory could be off.

Yea, because it was my fifth DVD bought, after Street Fighter II the animated movie, Replacement Killers, Starship Troopers and Fifth Element. Close but I would still say within year as noted above 1998.

The main difference with DVD and Blu-ray/HD-DVD release wise is that Blu-ray/HD-Dvd has way more day and date new releases compared to DVD. DVD was still struggling with day and date vhs new releases about two years in. Matrix was one of the first huge day and date releases.

 

[LJ11]

Also, nobody has sued Apple to raise the prices. No idea where you're getting that from.

Out of his ass.

If the music industry wasn't satisfied with the pricing structure they could take their business elsewhere because they aren't obligated to sell over itunes. How would they be able to sue? If they didn't like it they could leave. Yeah they made a stink about being unhappy, but it didn't really amount to anything in the end.

 

[Raistlin]

720p pumps more data than 1080i. Resulting in a clearer picture.

You may be a computer nerd ... but you are obviously not an A/V nerd.


u am fail

 

[theBishop]

While that was obviously playing the numbers to make a statement, it doesn't change reality. More than two were exclusive to BluRay, and the sales have been better in general for the titles released on both (at least since January). Just look at something like the Departed.

Hey man, I agree with the overall message. And i'll be thrilled when HD-DVD finally bows out of the format war.

But if US Weekly said Blu-Ray was winning, i wouldn't make a thread about it.

 

[ComputerNerd]

:lol No... Just spreading the good word to save the souls of those who may have strayed off their path to salvation... They must see that the devil will try to lead them away from the gates of heaven by spreading false wisdom that Sony may actually win this media war, thus less of a chance they'll close their doors forever...

...and yeah, to the other guy, have fun with your SD downloadable movies and I'll enjoy my HD movies on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD... When I want a movie, I want to buy it, take it home, and play it... Not set up to download a 25+Gb file that i'll get to watch 2 days later... Until overall speeds increase from ISP's and the quality of download speeds from servers increase as well, and for a DECENT price, it won't catch on that soon... Hell, my girlfriend's parents still use Dial-up, and they have a 1080p set in their living room...

All of my HD demands are met by my 29 HD channels, 7 of which are movie channels. And guess what? I can DVR those HD movies. For free.

And I also have On Demand, which has HD movies.

Why do you act as if I can't watch HD movies?

Those two sources will easily meet my needs until downloadable HD movies are around.

And those two services (HD movie channels, and On Demand), are both expanding rapidly.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

You're the one missing the point.
on demand will have it's share of the market, but IT WILL NOT come close to "replacing" disc based media, no matter how much you blindly wish it to.

Download-based content will replace disc-based media, sooner rather than later. That is the general point. The increasing popularity of "On demand" content is an adequate (current) example of that.

 

[Y2Kev]

720p pumps more data than 1080i. Resulting in a clearer picture.

*price is right lose sound*

 

[WasteLand Soldier]

why the F would you have to wait 5 years to download HD movies and why the F are you people thinking its'll use 30 gigs? :lol I've downloaded HD rentals on my 360 already! TODAY! not 5 years from now. :lol and to start the stream it only took about 1/2 hr 45 min.

 

[ComputerNerd]

You may be a computer nerd ... but you are obviously not an A/V nerd.


u am fail

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Clouseau]

Problem is, many of the de-interlacers in current HDTV's are broken for 1080i.


In theory though, yes 1080i should be fine for film and video-based media ... assuming proper deinterlacing.

Thankfully the one in my plasma isn't. And with 1080p sets that do proper deinterlacing having your HD-DVD/Bluray player output 1080i (if it can't output 1080p) results in a perfectly deinterlaced 1080p image. Having it send 720p to the same set would be asinine. That's the news I'm trying to break to our computernerd here.

 

[Raistlin]

Hey man, I agree with the overall message. And i'll be thrilled when HD-DVD finally bows out of the format war.

But if US Weekly said Blu-Ray was winning, i wouldn't make a thread about it.

:lol true.


Look at it this way ... while the overall editorial was effectively worthless, some of the 3rd party statements were thread worthy.

For example, the statement that retailers will cut&run w/regards to HD DVD next year is certainly a newsworthy statement IMO.



As with most articles, you have to cut through the BS to find the few important parts.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Universal still in denial.

Universal is run by morons. They've not only been getting their asses kicked at the box office by the big studios, they got owned by even a small studio like Lionsgate on many occasions.

When an awesome movie like Children of Men is a flop at the box office, and a huge potential in Serenity wasted by dumb commercials, you know these people have no clue.

 

[bishoptl]

"I refuse to buy cd's. Vinyl just sounds better."

I believe he said he wants to own something physical. Your analogy is poor, laughable and belongs in the trashbin behind Best Buy...that's being propped up by 500 unsold PS3s.

Anyways, this belongs in OT.

 

[JCBossman]

Whats the chance IF Blu-ray wins for Sony to remaster thier EARLY titles with a DECENT codec?

 

[FirstInHell]

This thread has a lot to do with Gaming.

 

[ComputerNerd]

why the F would you have to wait 5 years to download HD movies and why the F are you people thinking its'll use 30 gigs? :lol I've downloaded HD rentals on my 360 already! TODAY! not 5 years from now. :lol and to start the stream it only took about 1/2 hr 45 min.

The 5 years thing is when it'll finally become mainstream and overtake Blu-Ray, and perhaps DVD.

The main goal of downloading movies is to have a central storage location, and the ability to stream the movies throughout the house from that central storage location.

Both of those are accomplishable in 5 years, and at a cheap enough price to become the market leader a few years after that.

 

[theultimo]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

720p = 1280x720 = comparable to 1080i at 1920x540 interlaced.
1080p is almost double 720p bandwidth

 

[ManaByte]

When an awesome movie like Children of Men is a flop at the box office, and a huge potential in Serenity wasted by dumb commercials, you know these people have no clue.

Serenity was killed by the 10,000 free screenings they did in the months leading up to the release. Anyone who wanted to see the movie already saw it three or four times for free before it was released.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Whats the chance IF Blu-ray wins for Sony to remaster thier EARLY titles with a DECENT codec?

That's pretty much a guarantee. Eventually, you'll see multiple releases of all titles - same as how DVD proceeded.

 

[ComputerNerd]

Thankfully the one in my plasma isn't. And with 1080p sets that do proper deinterlacing having your HD-DVD/Bluray player output 1080i (if it can't output 1080p) results in a perfectly deinterlaced 1080p image. Having it send 720p to the same set would be asinine. That's the news I'm trying to break to our computernerd here.

How many people actually own a 1080p set?

 

[Clouseau]

720p = 1280x720 = comparable to 1080i at 1920x540 interlaced.
1080p is almost double 720p bandwidth

Exactly. 1080i carries just as much resolution as 1080p, but in 2 separate 540 line fields. With a 1080p set that can properly DE-interlace them....you'd be seeing the full 1920x1080 lines again.

 

[Flo_Evans]

How many people actually own a 1080p set?

at least three people in this very thread! (hint: its the people telling you that you don't know what you are saying)

 

[Raistlin]

Thankfully the one in my plasma isn't. And with 1080p sets that do proper deinterlacing having your HD-DVD/Bluray player output 1080i (if it can't output 1080p) results in a perfectly deinterlaced 1080p image. Having it send 720p to the same set would be asinine. That's the news I'm trying to break to our computernerd here.

Obviously for people that do have functional 1080i deinterlacers ... that's true.


My point is that your statement regarding 'shiny new HDTV's' is in fact oversimplifying the situation.

 

[mollipen]

Yea, because it was my fifth DVD bought, after Street Fighter II the animated movie, Replacement Killers, Starship Troopers and Fifth Element.

Yup, I was wrong - it was March '98. I remember doing the review for GameFan, but when trying to remember what timeframe that was in, I was thinking it was later than it was.

 

[MickeyKnox]

Download-based content will replace disc-based media, sooner rather than later. That is the general point. The increasing popularity of "On demand" content is an adequate (current) example of that.

no it won't.
Not even going into IQ and AQ, you people are grossly underestimating the financial reasoning behind keeping films primarily on a disc based solution.
Discs = more money for the studios than digital downloads = digital downloads won't replace physical media.

 

[Raistlin]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes ... I have no understanding of home theater ... and 720p produces a clearer picture :lol


I love when people have no idea what's going on ... but continue to be obstinate about it. Thanks for proving that a little bit of knowledge is a bad thing.

 

[bishoptl]

I read ComputerNerd's posts and hear this in my head.

 

[theultimo]

How many people actually own a 1080p set?

Old argument. 1080p sets have come a LONG way in the past year.

Heck, my 26' HDTV does 1080p just fine, and I only paid $600 for it!

 

[Clouseau]

How many people actually own a 1080p set?

It doesn't matter. Even on my 768p plasma, feeding it 1080i is feeding it MORE RESOLUTION to work with when it scales/deinterlaces. And since it does both those things properly the resulting image is better.

Discovery HD doesn't broadcast in 1080i for their health. They could be saving a lot of bandwidth and just broadcast in 720p.

 

[ComputerNerd]

no it won't.
Not even going into IQ and AQ, you people are grossly underestimating the financial reasoning behind keeping films primarily on a disc based solution.
Discs = more money for the studios than digital downloads = digital downloads won't replace physical media.

Maybe. Maybe not. The disks still have to be manufactured and shipped. Downloads are almost pure profit, especially if they use a 3rd party service like ITunes.

 

[Y2Kev]

I read ComputerNerd's posts and hear this in my head.

:lol :lol

 

[Raistlin]

Whats the chance IF Blu-ray wins for Sony to remaster thier EARLY titles with a DECENT codec?

Some select titles are getting that treatment.

For example, 5th Element is supposedly being redone ... and Sony will offer some sort of trade in discount with the original (I have not read the official info on this, just read it being discussed at AVS).

 

[artist]

In Casey's view, the many studios providing movies on Blu-ray, along with its inclusion in the PS3 (listing for $500, about the same as the cheapest HD DVD player) gives it an insurmountable advantage over HD DVD. (An attachment to play HD DVD discs is available as a $200 add-on for Xbox.)

And she says Sony's advantage will increase if the electronics giant makes good on its promise to drop prices for Blu-ray players - currently about $800 - to $600 this summer and below $300 by the end of the year.

Last Friday we reported on a quote from TV Week that Sony President and COO Stan Glasgow said Sony had plans to cut prices on its Blu-ray players to $299 by the end of the year. Well, don't update your Christmas list just yet. According to a Sony representative, Glasgow was misquoted. What Glasgow said, apparently, was that he felt the $299 price would be the tipping point where the average consumer would start to consider buying a Blu-ray player. Indeed, the Sony spokesman went on to specify that the company has no plans to roll out a Blu-ray player at that price point in 2007. That makes a lot more sense considering that Sony just announced a $600 Blu-ray player for this summer, and Glasgow basically said the same thing in an interview with CNET in January.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9693527-1.html

So the NYPost article is not just old, its inaccurate.

 

[Clouseau]

Obviously for people that do have functional 1080i deinterlacers ... that's true.


My point is that your statement regarding 'shiny new HDTV's' is in fact oversimplifying the situation.

Sorry I thought the situation need to be oversimplifed for this brainiac.

 

[Raistlin]

How many people actually own a 1080p set?

And the backpeddling begins.

 

[ComputerNerd]

Yes ... I have no understanding of home theater ... and 720p produces a clearer picture :lol


I love when people have no idea what's going on ... but continue to be obstinate about it. Thanks for proving that a little bit of knowledge is a bad thing.

Prove me wrong.

 

[Clouseau]

Prove me wrong.

Dude get out your web browser and wikipedia these broadcasting standards. Unlike you we're not pulling this info out of our ass.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Prove me wrong.

How about you try and prove your right since you seem to be the only person that thinks 720p is better for movies than 1080i?

 

[ComputerNerd]

Dude get out your web browser and wikipedia these broadcasting standards. Unlike you we're not pulling this info out of our ass.

Oh yeah, like this wasn't pulled from your ass.

Discovery HD doesn't broadcast in 1080i for their health. They could be saving a lot of bandwidth and just broadcast in 720p.

 

[theultimo]

Prove me wrong.

Wikipedia is your friend
DO IT

 

[Oni Jazar]

why the F would you have to wait 5 years to download HD movies and why the F are you people thinking its'll use 30 gigs? :lol I've downloaded HD rentals on my 360 already! TODAY! not 5 years from now. :lol and to start the stream it only took about 1/2 hr 45 min.

And if you want to watch it again in a week you'll have to pay again!

DIVX IS BACK AWESOME!

 

[Clouseau]

Oh yeah, like this wasn't pulled from your ass.

Discovery HD doesn't broadcast in 1080i for their health. They could be saving a lot of bandwidth and just broadcast in 720p.

They do broadcast in 1080i....go look it up. :lol

 

[ComputerNerd]

How about you try and prove your right since you seem to be the only person that thinks 720p is better for movies than 1080i?

Simple. 1080i makes the picture fuzzier and less clear.

 

[ComputerNerd]

They do broadcast in 1080i....go look it up. :lol

I never said they didn't. I know they do.

I was talking about this line:

They could be saving a lot of bandwidth and just broadcast in 720p.

 

[MickeyKnox]

Maybe. Maybe not. The disks still have to be manufactured and shipped. Downloads are almost pure profit, especially if they use a 3rd party service like ITunes.

????????????
WHAT?
WTF are talking about? Profit for WHO? The studios? NO! Discs cost pennies to print for the studios, and allow them to continuously make profit off the same film by releasing then re-releasing special editions. Not to mention that the total potential user base will ALWAYS*(we're talkin the foreseeable future here) be bigger with physical media.
Do you have ANY knowledge of ANYTHING related to this discussion or do you just string together random opinions based on bits and pieces of info that you've seen in people's posts and op'ed pieces without possessing the necessary facilities to properly digest the information before spouting nonsense on a message board and looking like a complete fool?

 

[Raistlin]

Prove me wrong.

What do you want me to do ... invite you over to my house to demo it in action? :lol Because you obviously seem incapable of doing any research on your own.


You need to go look up concepts such as interlacing, telecine, fields versus frames, etc. You don't seem to grasp the relationship between film and video refresh rates versus TV display refresh rates.


Film and video are recorded at 24 and 30 frames/s respectively. Interlaced material reaches your TV at 60 fields/s. If the de-interlacing is done correctly, it will recreate the original frames ... and display them in 2:3 or 2:2 sequencing to match the TV's native refresh rate.