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[Deku]

It's the NYPost people! This would be equivalent to parading a ***** article in the gaming forum as fact or heck, even as a remotely relevant analysis.

Oh wait, nevermind, people do that in the gaming forum.

 

[Frankfurter]

Wow, this thread is pretty much hilarious :lol

Anyway, two things I would like to ask:

I see what he did there...

PS: I recommend a ban on anything related to the New York Post. As well as all other tabloid rags.

New York Post -> owned by Rupert Murdoch -> Fox News -> 20th Century Fox -> teh bias

Is this true?


Another thing that I'm curious about: how is the average bitrate of a 720p or 1080p Blu Ray/HD-DVD?

 

[plagiarize]

Your math is showing BW of the feed ... when you take into consideration the end displayed image, the gap is much wider.

Per actual frame of original source material, 720p produces 921,600 pixels.

Per actual frame of original source material (assuming proper deinterlace), 1080i produces 2,073,600 pixels (ie. the same as 1080p).

yeah i know. but he was saying that 1080i was less 'data' than 720p. showing the bandwidth of the feeds showed that however you slice it 1080i is more raw data than 720p regardless of how it's resolved by the TV.

 

[Raistlin]

ComputerNerd,

I really hope you’re a joke poster … and just messing with us …

Deinterlacing, IMO, is only proper if the data source is in 60 FPS. Otherwise you get more image distortion.

Deinterlacing is a technology concern. There are no opinions, only fact.

Regardless, your ‘opinion’ is wrong. If the original source is 60fps but being output interlaced, exactly what is there to deinterlace? The deinterlacer will generally either combine successive fields as though the content is video (30fps), creating major motion artifacts, or the deinterlacer will simply line double the fields. Even if it uses a pretty extrapolation algorithm for the line doubling … you can’t pull data out of thin air. The image quality would be awful.

We have been talking about movie and video data, which is all 30fps or less … so I’m not even sure where you’re pulling 60fps from. The only things that can produce that are games. In that case, you are still completely wrong. Native 60fps games being output interlaced look like poo due to deinterlacing. That is common knowledge here.

I don't see anything here about Blu-Ray disks being recorded in 1080i/60 (via VC-1).

Why is this statement being directed at me? When did I say that?

Protip – 1080i/60 using the nomenclature from that wiki page does not exist.

I may be wrong, but are there any Blu-Ray movies recorded in 60 FPS?

No, and again … who stated that?

Edit: Nevermind, seems like Blu-Ray is strictly 24 FPS

Or 30fps.

Edit 2: Oh, and to respond to something earlier, I do know what telecine is. I just don't think it makes a difference in this thread.

:lol OMFG :lol

 

[icecream]

Crap.

Just stop. You'd have a better chance at having people buy your 'DDS will replace Media' argument than try to go against every convention of A/V and be stubborn in saying 720p is better than 1080i for film just because you can't see you are wrong.

Your inability to show that you understand the terminology doesn't inspire much confidence either.

Let me ask you this, why does 1080i exist if 720p is 'better' at everything?

 

[Raistlin]

Three words, three letters: FAT HEAD MODE, MP3. People who consider themselves AV enthusiasts are in the topmost bracket of ability to distinguish differences in IQ. Most consumers will hover as close to the side of people who don't even adjust the AR on their SD broadcasts as they do to those who can tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at a glance. Those consumers aren't nearly as likely to invest money in an alternate physical media format as they are to take advantage of a new service with no initial buy-in cost (like either an Internet or cable-based movie download service would be.)

It is not simply a matter of resolution, but of compression artifacts.

With the size of HDTV's that make up the most sales, non-videophiles have no issue telling the difference between heavily compressed HD video and BluRay.

Why do you think many people aren't overly satisfied with HD from cable and satellite?



It should also be noted that MP3's are not analogous to this situation. The listening versus viewing habits are very different.

 

[TAJ]

There was Starship Troopers and Ghost in the Shell. Yea....

I don't think Starship Troopers quite made it out in the first year. Ghost in the Shell is off my radar, really.

 

[Ponn]

I don't think Starship Troopers quite made it out in the first year. Ghost in the Shell is off my radar, really.

May 1998

 

[XMonkey]

It's the NYPost people! This would be equivalent to parading a ***** article in the gaming forum as fact or heck, even as a remotely relevant analysis.

Oh wait, nevermind, people do that in the gaming forum.

It really doesn't matter as long as people (ie: not us on this forum) read it. And I think plenty of people read the NYPost.