Weakening ethics oversight will surely strengthen it. It's common sense.
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NYT: House republicans gut independent ethics office
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NOT!
I'm also baffled by how an "overzealous" ethics office would be bad.
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"overzealous efforts by the Office of Congressional Ethics."
I have not heard one damn story about any "extreme" effort by this office so I'm saying bullshit
jim-jam bongs
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Yes, putting ethical oversight in the hands of interested partisans is always a great idea.
Can you actually have a moral high ground anymore in American politics?
I mean at this stage it seems that appealing to the morale sensibilities of the masses isn't working out for the democrats and any progress made in the last 8 years is about to get damaged, probably irreparably.Is it time for the democrats to change tactics as well and start slinging mud?
Either way the next 4 years are going to be......."entertaining" to watch.
I mean at this stage it seems that appealing to the morale sensibilities of the masses isn't working out for the democrats and any progress made in the last 8 years is about to get damaged, probably irreparably.Is it time for the democrats to change tactics as well and start slinging mud?
Either way the next 4 years are going to be......."entertaining" to watch.
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Basically sums up my response.
SynthFetish
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You see it's about ethics in.....wait, given their new base of white supremacists(alt right), wouldn't they be for ethics in politics??
We investigated ourselves and cleared ourselves of any wrongdoing.
Wait, how can they vote to remove their own oversight? Shouldn't that be handled by an external agency/branch? Aren't most oversight committees and agencies set-up by multiple branches and then left to operate independently so that they... you know... provide oversight?
I can I vote to remove laws from applying to myself?
I can I vote to remove laws from applying to myself?
Aaronology
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Won't matter. GAF is somewhat of an echo chamber, whether it be from the site's moderation style or conservatives' noted unwillingness to engage in political discourse with those who disagree with them. You aren't going to reach any die hards here. This news will not deter any of them, either.
Relevant:
Journalists & Trump Voters Live In Seperate Online Bubbles
https://news.vice.com/story/journalists-and-trump-voters-live-in-separate-online-bubbles-mit-analysis-shows
All of this paints a bleak picture of online political discourse, said John West, a data journalist at the MIT Media Lab who worked on the study. It is one balkanized by ideology and issue-interest, with little potential for information flow between the online cocoons or between the loud and important cluster of exclusive Trump followers and the institutionalized media users that are supposed to be political discourses immune system.
Trump, his supporters, and the persistence of the reality gap
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-his-supporters-and-the-persistence-the-reality-gap
I know we think we're clever constantly harping on the swamp draining nonsense, but the fact is Republicans adore his choices and what their party is doing.
Views of President-elect Trump and his administration
http://www.people-press.org/2016/12/08/1-views-of-president-elect-trump-and-his-administration/
Eight-in-ten Republicans and Republican leaners say they approve of Trumps cabinet choices and other high level appointments. By contrast, just 11% of Democrats and Democratic leaners say they approve of these selections. Ratings among Democrats today are far lower than the 49% of Republicans who said they approved of Obamas initial cabinet choices in December 2008 and the 44% of Democrats who said the approved of Bushs selections in January 2001.
A new poll shows 52% of Republicans actually think Trump won the popular vote
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/12/18/a-new-poll-shows-an-astonishing-52-of-republicans-think-trump-won-the-popular-vote/?utm_term=.02851732ffee
Respondents correct understanding of the popular vote depended a great deal on partisanship. A large fraction of Republicans 52 percent said Trump won the popular vote, compared with only 7 percent of Democrats and 24 percent of independents. Among Republicans without any college education, the share was even larger: 60 percent, compared with 37 percent of Republicans with a college degree.
These results align with something social scientists have long recognized: We choose facts to be consistent with our prior beliefs. In this case, Republicans are more likely to endorse erroneous claims about Trumps victory because it aligns with their partisanship. They do not, however, have any partisan motivation when estimating the size of minority groups.
If the Republican electors are anything like the party rank and file, they may think voting for Trump is in line with the choices of the American people.
Also relevant:
Post-truth named 2016 word of the year by Oxford Dictionaries
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/16/post-truth-named-2016-word-of-the-year-by-oxford-dictionaries/?utm_term=.f68085849edf
GregLombardi
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We won't be able to.
The system set up by the founding fathers officially failed November 8th, 2016.
Onto the next super power.
If you are a police officer or a member of congress, of course!
So how does one go about countering post-truth?
I mean, equilibrium will inevitably return (it always does) when Republicans kill the country but what do we do before that eventuality?
Defeatism is dumb. You have no idea what will happen this year, let alone in four.
There is also absolutely fucking zero reason to assume anything but the fucking worst considering the shit that has already been put into motion before that fascist fuck actually takes office. People have every reason to be pissed.
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Whoever came up with the oversight committee didn't take into account that someone could try to remove it down the road.
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Calm down guys. Lets give fascism a chance. What the fuck have we got to lose? Look at the prosperity and stability that we have had to suffer through for the past few decades. The people just can't take anymore of it.
Love live Ameristan.
I doubt this information is going to reach the average American. And if it does, they don't give a fuck.
KernelPanic
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Clearly getting their inspiration from the police
excelsiorlef
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The swap is everything that prevents the HOP from oppressing people
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GregLombardi
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You will wake up one day and immediately be cognizant of everything that ended in November.
It's going to be like a train through everyone's living room. Just because those who have been passionate about politics since 9/11 and the financial crisis sound defeated, doesn't mean their knowledge is any less a realistic portrayal of what is actually happening in the world.
Sauron got his ring and we gave it to him. Defeatism...no. Reality.
Spat_triate
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What's the big deal? Law enforcement already polices itself without some ethical namby-pambies getting in the way.
Be reasonable, how can our representatives devote 90% of their time promising wealthy donors favors in exchange for money, if they are expected to be held accountable by an independent board?
Be reasonable, how can our representatives devote 90% of their time promising wealthy donors favors in exchange for money, if they are expected to be held accountable by an independent board?
Being pissed isn't just tossing up your hands and declaring everything over.
Aaronology
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Wish I knew. I only see the political landscape of this country becoming more extreme and partisan going forward. For Republicans, politics might as well be total war now. Absolute gross power grabs like we see in NC and behavior we've witnessed throughout Trump's rise will become more common because Liberals Are The Enemy and anything is justifiable in the pursuit of their defeat. The GOP will be testing to see what they can and can't get away with and I suspect they'll get away with a lot. Democrats will either adopt this aggressively combative mindset, further widening the divide, or they will continue treating this "game" like an athletic competition replete with necessary sportsmanship.
Either way, whew boy the next couple of years will be exciting. I'm quietly hoping that the half of the country too apathetic to vote will awaken someday like Goku going SSJ, a sleeping giant the GOP might accidentally rouse by taking things too far, too fast, too boldly. But I can't imagine anything less extreme than a draft or a few nukes dropping making that happen.
Alternatively, maybe I'm just being too doom and gloom and the next 4-8 years will be surprisingly peachy.
KernelPanic
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Meanwhile Trump supports are excited that they are finally cutting the ethnics committee.
Well, the first clause already caused the second to occur in NC. You know, the one that caused them to lose: governorship, supreme court, and in 2017 their supermajority in the legislature.
There's only so far you can push before people do actually come out to vote, NC bucked the national movements with a very angry pushback. And then they were made angrier because the GOP lost control and went into full, blatant panic. With their "precision surgical" gerrymandering erased, they will at the very least lose their supermajority if they don't outright lose total control of NC.
That said, ya, it will be interesting but really am looking into how fake news and this polarization can be combated. Truth is a nasty fella, she always comes back when you least want her to and she stabs you in the back. Fact can be differed, they can't be ignored in perpetuity... it just gets worse the longer you pretend to exist outside of reality.
I mean, its going to be an utter shit show, for instance, when they repeal Obamacare. The more progressive states already have their own plans and contingencies as they exist inside of reality, but many red states are in this post-truth world and when their health disappears, facts will be knocking. Or when the reality of Trump being an inexperienced leader and egotistical asshole brings him into massive conflicts with his own party in power... and, at this point, he's expendable.
Hillary would've done the same thing + war with Russia. It's obvious.
Prof. Bathtub
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Swamp this, swamp that. It's clear that Swamp just means Democrats to them, so little need in calling out that hypocrisy. What supporters there are around here don't defend these actions in these news threads, they save their energy for "Every intelligence agency is unreliable and personally responsible for Iraq" in the Russia hacking discussions.
They are nothing more than gutless, balls-less wimpy cowards. You will never see them entering a thread like this.
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nintendoman58
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History has proven time and time again that this kind of shit doesn't last.
Eventually things will swing the other way again and we can fix what's broken.
The real evil here is this kind of nihilistic attitude and every time I see people like you using the word: "reality" like they've got a freaking crystal ball.
Yes, reality freaking sucks, but history has proven time and time again that it's been able to "un-suck" itself. In the meantime, there needs to be efforts on minimizing the damage, rather than lying down and letting these people step all over you for the next 4 years.
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