Because they can totally undermine whatever bullshit narrative the administration wants to feed to the public and expose all the skeletons in their closet. Trump isn't even denying the shit Flynn did, he's pissed that someone told the general public the truth. They can just as well tell lies and undermine them probably just as well.
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NYT: White House Plans to Have Trump Ally Review Intelligence Agencies
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Because they can totally undermine whatever bullshit narrative the administration wants to feed to the public and expose all the skeletons in their closet. Trump isn't even denying the shit Flynn did, he's pissed that someone told the general public the truth. They can just as well tell lies and undermine them probably just as well.
JoeyJungle
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Tomorrow's headline:
Intelligence Agencies Plans to Have Disgruntled Employees Review Trump White House Ally
rokkerkory
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So is the IC gonna go nuclear?
SerTapTap
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Yep. On a GOOD day this administration would be horrifically incompetent, even without the treason.
Again, indications are that currently IC employees are against 45 (in general)... streamlining won't necessarily change that. Them not being there definitely changes that.
Kevin Bacon says so.
Sorry if my post wasnt clear, when I memtioned scandal and retaliate, Im talking about how the IC will get dirt on the person trying to damage them which will just mean a scandal for Cerberus, a scandal that Cerberus doesnt need.
And I dont know that much on how shady some of these agency could be, but I wouldnt dpubt that some of then operate as dirty as agencies from other countries like the FSB.
UberTag
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Cerberus has its web spread throughout the domestic intelligence community already via its DynCorp holdings.
If anything, this might compel the IC to eat itself from within.
Mutanthands
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It's clear that they want to lobotomize the IC. Streamlining by an acquire and destroy business expert does not bode well.
That is a damn shame. Teenagers are so malleable at that age
Yes, Trump can drain the 'swamp' but he must do this first or get eaten by the alligators
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...do-this-first-or-get-eaten-by-alligators.html
Please excuse me, I have to vomit.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...do-this-first-or-get-eaten-by-alligators.html
Please excuse me, I have to vomit.
The agencies are still largely separate entities.
Streamlining is business speak for mergers. We all know mergers lead to executions I mean firings.
Ah! Makes sense now. I totally agree. This is a huge risk for them. Their entire operation relies on not being known or in the public eye.
BoboBrazil
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Soon at the CIA and NSA
boclfon479
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When I think Cerberus I think ME2, which means they are probably evil.
Is there not a distinct possibility that this mercenary as fuck boss of a mercenary as fuck company with contracts in the military and If may not care to have the IC streamlined? Nor would he want the fight even if he could win. Because when the IC bites back it bites hard.
Could this not end up biting Trump in the ass?
Could this not end up biting Trump in the ass?
What good company names itself after the three-headed dog that gaurds the gates of hell to prevent souls from escaping?
I don't know if these are people who never dreamed they'd be actively calling for an American autocracy or people who've been desperately waiting for this day.
Well, I'm pretty sure where Stephen Miller stands.
KoopaTheCasual
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Not giving them the clicks, but I noticed the URL is 'opinions', so it's editorial garbage. still super gross that he tried to spin it like that.
That is some early 20th century-esque propaganda right here. There is no doubt that this country is in total dire straits when millions buy into this bullshit.
KernelPanic
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It's a purge. He will remove any and all opposition.
Oh yeah, but it's clear that he represents millions of willfully blind people. We're fucked.
BlueTsunami
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Which is interesting because it feels like the more he prods the IC the more they'll release.
Infinite Stars
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Step 3? Of Fascist Regimes: Purge all deep-seated opposition.
I mean, is Trump attempting a speedrun of Hitler's campaign?
I mean, is Trump attempting a speedrun of Hitler's campaign?
FireAndBlood
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Why doesn't Trump disband the FBI and CIA?
Its all over? Trump and team did it?
SerTapTap
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Go alligators go!
Also dang, I knew Fox was shit, but just straight up encouraging fascist treason.
He cant.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Great plan, just throw more billionaires at the "problem".
Cerebus is classified as, "special purpose vehicles," a type of unregulated shell-bank which is generally created by a mother corporation to hide losses or possibly risky business ventures from appearing on the mother company's losses sheet at the end of the year. SPVs such as Cerebus are regularly used by individuals or corporations to circumvent taxes, environmental regulations, and investigations by governments outside of corporate tax havens that an SPV may be registered in. Shell-banks (or shadow banks) are also used by many shady countries and oligarchs to launder money through friendly tax havens like Ireland.
So essentially Trump is hiring another rich goon.
So essentially Trump is hiring another rich goon.
The IC has shown it is the biggest threat to Trump, his power and control over 'truth'. He and his handlers were probably aiming to slowly eat away at the IC's ability to hurt him, but now will look at speeding that up.
If Trump succeeds in gutting the IC of those who have the knowledge, ability, and resources to fight him, he will have full control. He would just continue to shrug off media attacks, which would be made alot more toothless without the IC, and probably even turn the lobotomized IC's abilities against his opponents to discredit and undermine them. He would have zero qualms about going right back to loving 'leaks' that hurt someone other than himself.
I very much hope the intelligence community wins this fight.
If Trump succeeds in gutting the IC of those who have the knowledge, ability, and resources to fight him, he will have full control. He would just continue to shrug off media attacks, which would be made alot more toothless without the IC, and probably even turn the lobotomized IC's abilities against his opponents to discredit and undermine them. He would have zero qualms about going right back to loving 'leaks' that hurt someone other than himself.
I very much hope the intelligence community wins this fight.
I mean the country, in general, is fucked. You could remove Team Easy D tomorrow and these morons would still be here and they would be emboldened and mobilized. Our politicians are starting a civil war between the citizens of this country.
I feel like Trump and co has convinced a large portion of the population that their neighbors are actively trying to destroy them. I wonder if he will become some sort of martyr to them. I could definitely see this getting ugly in the streets if Trump starts putting ideas in their heads.
XT Vengeance
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First thing that popped into my head.
UberTag
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Can't properly assess who's loyal and who isn't if they don't leak anything.
You have to prod them into exposing themselves first so you can root out the undesirable elements.
It's not like the Republicans are going to act on anything that DOES come out.
Generalpsyduck
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Go ahead keep kicking the hornets nest.
As optimistic as I am in regards to the IC's work, I doubt this is case. It reminds me of the GE debates where many of us on GAF were saying that the Queen was playing with Trump and that she was strategically waiting to bury him in the next debate. It never happened. We can't always assume that there is a master plan when dealing with Donald Trump.
The time for stringing Trump along is over, and I doubt the IC has much more that they can risk sharing at this time. I would love to be wrong, though.
FireAndBlood
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Can't Republicans pass legislation to disband the FBI, CIA and NSA? It would be in their best interest.
I think there are even assetts within those agency that cant even be fired. Im mot sure what kind of procedure is needed to remove a goverment organization, but the last thing a goverment wantss is a bunch of spy holding this country darkest and biggest secrets unemployed and pissed off.
Mutanthands
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I fear that someone is going to get the bright idea of deputizing the more radical elements of his base to stoke the flames. The fact that they are trying to get far-right and white nationalist groups off of the terrorist lists (lessening any scrutiny) is a worrisome sign they may already be laying the groundwork.
Maybe they'll wear brown shirts.
sturgboski
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My depression has gotten much worse.
What? Do you really think Congress would be able to just disband our federal law enforcement/domestic security agency, foreign intelligence service, and signals intelligence organization at the drop of a hat?
I recall a similar situation happened in Iraq. Just not with spies but former soldiers. I wonder how that went.
Hyperactivity
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Can't. To give you an example, part of the reason the FBI director can have up to a ten year term is so that they have a degree of Independence from the election, iirc
I really can't tell what is sarcasm anymore with regards to "disbanding" the CIA / NSA / FBI.
Seriously, guys?
He can not win this fight. There is literally no one he is interested in allying with. He has pitted himself against pretty much every arm of information collection and distribution in the world, aside from a select few right-wing news outlets.
Things would be a lot scarier if he was actually capable and showed interest in some kind of collaboration with insiders, but as it is he continues to send his billionaire friends in to do jobs they are certainly grossly incapable of. Simply firing a few people here and there is not going to solve anything, the "Intelligence Community" is a huge and decentralized group of people not limited to just the bureaucrats in DC.
Seriously, guys?
He can not win this fight. There is literally no one he is interested in allying with. He has pitted himself against pretty much every arm of information collection and distribution in the world, aside from a select few right-wing news outlets.
Things would be a lot scarier if he was actually capable and showed interest in some kind of collaboration with insiders, but as it is he continues to send his billionaire friends in to do jobs they are certainly grossly incapable of. Simply firing a few people here and there is not going to solve anything, the "Intelligence Community" is a huge and decentralized group of people not limited to just the bureaucrats in DC.
XiaNaphryz
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We had a thread about this Cerberus group back in 2011:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454486
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