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magicstop said:To be specific, what was being referred to is the New York City General Assembly, which initially consisted largely of white males. The group has diversified somewhat from the sounds of it, and is always open to fluctuation. But as confirmed by members of it, as well as people interacting with them, this movement had a largely white male group acting as the General Assembly, the group that organizes the movement in NY.
Doesn't matter who you happen to see, doesn't matter what the cameras show, and it wasn't intentional or secretive anyway. It happened to be (well, I say happened, but existing cultural dynamics and structures aren't chance, and they are most likely responsible for it) that the General Assembly consisted of mostly white guys.
The call from people is to recognize that POC, LGBTQ, and females have all been experiencing disenfranchisement, economic suffering, and abuses from the system for a lot longer than white middle class guys have. It is important to hear their voices, to insure that the systemic and cultural embedded power dynamics are brought out into broad daylight and then dismantled and re-arranged, and that everyone have a fair voice, an opinion that can be heard, and an access to power and decision making equal to their neighbor, regardless of their color, sexual orientation, or gender.
It's pretty simple, and there just isn't that much to argue about. This movement seeks to address the problems that the "99%" are experiencing, and that would include gays, women, black people, and other social groups that are on the bad-end of an uneven power dynamic.
Oh, and the reason the "leader" vs "group" vs "committee" vs whatever else is so tricky is because this movement specifically seeks to avoid overly concrete power hierarchies that are traditionally used for organizing people. Why? Because those systems tend to reflect the society in which they were designed and are so often used. Instead, there is no big "spokesperson" or "leader," and while there are people who "take the lead" to get stuff done and to achieve goals, they aren't leaders of the movement per se. They are leaders of specific actions, goals, or committees seeking to get concrete stuff done (like how to handle gathering and disposing of trash and recycling, how to insure restrooms are available, how to access legal help, etc.). So there's not great terminology for a leaderless yet led group, and thus there is some confusion in the language.
Don't get too hung up by it
Elizabeth Warren would be the most anti-Wall Street senator since Carl Levin or Bernie SandersThe Albatross said:
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Seems like it. From the way she sounded, there is a lot of debate on when it should happen. Sounds very unorganized at the moment. Some people wanted to wait to build their numbers and supplies, and others want to strike now while the fire is hot in new york.alstein said:
Dude Obama just drone striked an American citizen without a trial for just saying propaganda never killed a soul and gaf says Repubs are murderers, lol.theBishop said:My new favorite poster on GAF.
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Oh man, straight to Nazism. What are the comparisons going to be a year down the road? 2,500 BC savages?Measley said:
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The two groups sort of feed off each others wacky statments, its like some weird form of symbiotic behavior.yellow submarine said:
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magicstop said:Seeing as how this movement is explicitly avoiding endorsing politicians and political groups, I'd avoid the NADER sign. I'd pick a message that you like from Nadar and that lines up with OWS well, and I'd go with that instead.
I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it as it goes along. Good luck
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Well at least here in Holland, its at least once a day in the National news papers.Hari Seldon said:
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I like the passion, but dude needs some Krugman in his life. That Ron Paul shit is retarded.Bloodbeard said:
Have you seen many cases in the internet where introducing Ron Paul had helped the discussion?Bloodbeard said:
I don't really agree with your analysis of the cost of starting a business, but this is a moot point for the vast majority of Americans who wouldn't have enough capital to start their own business even in a libertarian heaven with zero regulations.Gallbaro said:
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A Human Becoming said:Went to the first Occupy New Hampshire meeting tonight. Nice group of folks from varying demographics, albeit most under 30. Thirteen people plus a child attended. First general assembly is set for Thursday and the second Sunday. I was assigned to help assist teaching non-violent conduct. I have lots of reading to do. Excited.
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