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[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

It's the protesters, not the cops, that are taking the brunt of the violence right now.

Any of them been stabbed yet?

I think thats just the way TV media operates. Same with the Tea Party protests. A camera crew truck pulls up, first thing they'll point they're camera at is the Tea Party fat guy with the "Obama = Hitler Communist" sign, just like they'll focus on the obnoxious hippies talking nonsense when they show up at Zucotti.

I think that makes sense. I mean, rational is never as Good as Jews and Fluoride Stealing My Sperm.

 

[Jenga]

the police officer is part of the 99% they are helping him in the long run. he should have taken off his uniform and joined the protesters.

maybe we should stab everyone who isn't a part of the 99%!

 

[teruterubozu]

Police want to defend the 1% then moan when they get what's coming. I have no sympathy if anything happens to them.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

An NYPD officer is inside this ambulance.

BREAKING - FROM OFFICER ON SCENE -

"There is an injured officer with a laceration to his hand. He is in stable condition. The protester had a glass object in his left hand. It's going to require stitches. The man who assaulted the officer is not in custody."

Read more: http://live.nydailynews.com/Event/S..._raid_on_Occupy_Wall_Street_NYC#ixzz1dzX47UTB

 

[minus_273]

maybe we should stab everyone who isn't a part of the 99%!

woah there, hold your horses tiger. there is no need for violence. this is a peaceful movement.

 

[eznark]

maybe we should stab everyone who isn't a part of the 99%!

If you don't drop the "maybe" you deserve to be dead.

 

[Angry Fork]

So, being stabbed is 'what's coming'? I don't like that kind of thinking at all. Why do you want violence?

Do I need to keep listing the amount of robbery done to people of this country? If you're directly opposing the protestors you're defending the 1% as far as I'm concerned.

classy

About as classy as NYPD getting away with countless acts of police brutality. They're a piece of shit state sanctioned gang.

Again...why is it mutually exclusive? I don't want anyone hurt, and I don't want people put in positions where they can be hurt. This isn't some eye for an eye shit.

I disagree, I'm not the turn the other cheek type and I don't think anyone should be. It's antithetical to human survival and freedom if everyone bowed before those in power. Police should be protecting it's citizens and the douchebag former high school jock cowards in the NYPD are not fit to handle that job. edit - Police are actually defending it's citizens I take that back, it's just the only citizens they're protecting are in the sparkly tall high rise buildings.

 

[Jenga]

If you don't drop the "maybe" you deserve to be dead.

by stabbing!

 

[alstein]

Any of them been stabbed yet?


I think that makes sense. I mean, rational is never as Good as Jews and Fluoride Stealing My Sperm.

Pepper sprayed, maced, cops have caused serious injuries to protestors, more serious then a cut-up hand.

Not saying one justifies the other. I don't want martyrs, martyrs (especially if it happens on both sides) is going to make things worse.

 

[richiek]

Any of them been stabbed yet?

No, but plenty are getting beat by batons.

Live Updates

1:56 pm: at least one medic reports someone bleeding from the head inside the Square. NYPD is preventing medics from helping.
1:53 pm: for no apparent reason, police have invaded Liberty Square and began indiscriminately shoving people and hitting people with batons
1:49 pm: paddy wagons approaching; more and more police surrounding the square; no way in or out; imminent mass arrests anticipated
1:43 pm: police using metal barricades to seal off Liberty Square; peaceful protestors are being told they are not allowed to leave; widespread reports of violence inside
1:38 pm: helmeted police are raiding Liberty Square, batons drawn; they have closed off the entrances and are not letting people in or out

One cop get stabbed > scores of protesters beat by cops, amirite?

Not saying one justifies the other. I don't want martyrs, martyrs (especially if it happens on both sides) is going to make things worse.

Agreed.

 

[Robert_City]

weak...

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Do I need to keep listing the amount of robbery done to people of this country? If you're directly opposing the protestors you're defending the 1% as far as I'm concerned.

I disagree, I'm not the turn the other cheek type and I don't think anyone should be. It's antithetical to human survival and freedom if everyone bowed before those in power. Police should be protecting it's citizens and the douchebag former high school jock cowards in the NYPD are not fit to handle that job.

I don't want to be the type that asks a smarmy question when someone goes bananas, but were you bullied in high school? You've really got a chip on your shoulder.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

No

Thank you!

Breaking911 Breaking911
UPDATE: Irate perp at Church St & Broadway in The subway. #ESU has been requested. #N17 #BREAKING #OccupyWallStreet #OWS #NYC
2 minutes ago

ESU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Service_Unit

 

[Jenga]

No, but plenty are getting beat by batons.



One cop get stabbed > scores of protesters beat by cops, amirite?

what kind of idiot do you have to be to play this game of escalation?

 

[eznark]

I disagree, I'm not the turn the other cheek type and I don't think anyone should be. It's antithetical to human survival and freedom if everyone bowed before those in power. Police should be protecting it's citizens and the douchebag former high school jock cowards in the NYPD are not fit to handle that job. edit - Police are actually defending it's citizens I take that back, it's just the only citizens they're protecting are in the sparkly tall high rise buildings.

So...just out of curiosity what are you up to right now? Kind of hanging out, watching this on TV, letting other people do all the stabbin'? If you're so punk, why aren't you out there trying to butcher as many pigs as possible?

 

[reilo]

Protesters walking on the pedestrian ramp of a bridge has less of an effect on traffic than shutting down actual car lanes for shooting some silly action film.

They're not walking. They're blockading.

 

[Revenant]

So...just out of curiosity what are you up to right now? Kind of hanging out, watching this on TV, letting other people do all the stabbin'? If you're so punk, why aren't you out there trying to butcher as many pigs as possible?

I think he said a page back once it started escalating into violence he'd join to "defend" OWS or something.

 

[Krauser Kat]

stabbed with what? a pencil, a knife sign stick. Im on the side that the best way for cops to keep the peace is to leave them alone.

Oh Glass that'll get ya. In all seriousness cops should stay the fuck out of this.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

stabbed with what? a pencil, a knife sign stick. Im on the side that the best way for cops to keep the peace is to leave them alone.

If peace was what people were interested in, we wouldn't have a cop stabbed in the hand by a glass object.

 

[Barrett2]

As a general rule, I would be skeptical of a "police officer hand laceration" accusation. Hey, when I forcefully threw this hippy to the ground and twisted his hands behind his back his unkempt fingernails broke the skin of my hand. Assaulting a Police Officer!

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

If peace was what people were interested in, we wouldn't have a cop stabbed in the hand by a glass object.

Or some nutter in the subway station with EST inbound.

 

[Angry Fork]

I don't want to be the type that asks a smarmy question when someone goes bananas, but were you bullied in high school? You've really got a chip on your shoulder.

I've had my share/viewing of enough police brutality to know NYPD are corrupt cunts.

So...just out of curiosity what are you up to right now? Kind of hanging out, watching this on TV, letting other people do all the stabbin'? If you're so punk, why aren't you out there trying to butcher as many pigs as possible?

Because I'd probably be killed/go to jail in the process?

I already gave my opinion on the movement earlier, I think it's largely a mess that needs a real leader and better formation, but I still 100% what's going on now.

If there came a time where there was an actual civil war things would be different, then my job wouldn't matter and I'd be willing to fight with comrades, but right now it's not that big. I'm not going to risk my life if nothing will come of it. I have no sympathy for people who are directly opposing this movement though.

If peace was what people were interested in, we wouldn't have a cop stabbed in the hand by a glass object.

How do you know it wasn't self defense? Are people supposed to take baton beatings because police are infallible superior beings or something?

 

[eznark]

I think he said a page back once it started escalating into violence he'd join to "defend" OWS or something.

Because I'd probably be killed/go to jail in the process?

I already gave my opinion on the movement earlier, I think it's largely a mess that needs a real leader and better formation, but I still 100% what's going on now.

If there came a time where there was an actual civil war things would be different, then my job wouldn't matter and I'd be willing to fight with comrades, but right now it's not that big. I'm not going to risk my life if nothing will come of it. I have no sympathy for people who are directly opposing this movement though.

Total chickenhawk.

 

[richiek]

Thank you!

So you value one type of human life more than others. Great morals you have there.

 

[Jenga]

a real supporter of the OWS movement should be hoping all the protesters should stay strong and refuse to play the game of violence with anyone

anyone who's actually hoping for violence or encouraging it is just another piece of shit extremist who's playing the game of people who want to dismantle the movement


BAM

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

So you value one type of human life more than others. Great morals you have there.

Didn't say that at all. Ask question, got an answer, and thanked you for it.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

I've had my share/viewing of enough police brutality to know NYPD are corrupt cunts.


Because I'd probably be killed/go to jail in the process?

I already gave my opinion on the movement earlier, I think it's largely a mess that needs a real leader and better formation, but I still 100% what's going on now.

If there came a time where there was an actual civil war things would be different, then my job wouldn't matter and I'd be willing to fight with comrades, but right now it's not that big. I'm not going to risk my life if nothing will come of it. I have no sympathy for people who are directly opposing this movement though.

Just hope in the future you don't paint everyone with so broad a brush. Someone's occupation does not make them anything less, as a human being. Wishing this on the police workforce is saddening. Judging people based on their occupation is bad.

 

[Angry Fork]

Total chickenhawk.

Not at all. I just know that 'keeping it real' doesn't work. You have to wait until a movement reaches beyond critical mass and becomes a nationwide thing.

Just hope in the future you don't paint everyone with so broad a brush. Someone's occupation does not make them anything, as a human being. Wishing this on the police workforce is saddening. Judging people based on their occupation is bad.

Fair enough. I was overzealous. I would be willing to admit there may be decent people in the NYPD, but I'm not going to excuse brutality because they're 'just doing their job'.

 

[richiek]

a real supporter of the OWS movement should be hoping all the protesters should stay strong and refuse to play the game of violence with anyone

anyone who's actually hoping for violence is just another piece of shit extremist


BAM

Umm....

 

[akira28]

Not worthy of a reply, just let it fall.

It could have been a protester or it could be a troublemaker or even a plant.

Until we have facts, if we ever get those facts, its best to not even speculate because literally anything could have gone down out there.

 

[marrec]

Not worthy of a reply, just let it fall.

It could have been a protester or it could be a troublemaker or even a plant.

Until we have facts, if we ever get those facts, its best to not even speculate because literally anything could have gone down out there.

It very well could have been an accident, the person who cut the cop is not in custody so we may not know until he/she is arrested.

 

[Angry Fork]

a real supporter of the OWS movement should be hoping all the protesters should stay strong and refuse to play the game of violence with anyone

anyone who's actually hoping for violence or encouraging it is just another piece of shit extremist who's playing the game of people who want to dismantle the movement


BAM

I'm more of a Malcolm X type than MLK (in terms of ideology). When Malcolm X said he wanted the march on washington to show the anger and power black people had, that's something I get goosebumps reading and completely agree with. MLK and co. succeeded in the end without violence but I don't think the same is possible in today's world.

 

[Krauser Kat]

I want this movement to be peacefully but getting hit by a baton for marching and causing a slight inconvenience to some people. Is begging for retaliation.

 

[powersurge]

So yeah I guess some of these people are going to get their wish. Like that fool speaking at one of the protests saying that "We need our Kent State moment". *sigh*

 

[Deleted member 47027]

So yeah I guess some of these people are going to get their wish. Like that fool speaking at one of the protests saying that "We need our Kent State moment". *sigh*

Christ, why would anyone WANT that moment

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Umm....

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That's so insulting to people who died at Tienanmen Square to be compared to OWS.

 

[akira28]

It very well could have been an accident, the person who cut the cop is not in custody so we may not know until he/she is arrested.

Exactly, but I know the gang in blue will retaliate if they think someone has struck out at them, and they will use guilt by association and they will take it out on others. Attacking the police is a way to lose this. And I know 99% of the people out there know that.

 

[Angry Fork]

I don't understand how people can have sympathy towards the 1% AT ALL. It's shocking really. But I'm not a fan of capitalism in general so I don't know, maybe people think all of the 1% worked hard and made billions out of pulling their own bootstraps. They all deserve their money and deserve to continue taking it from people they deem to be worth less.

And the police are okay with this too. Clearly sleeping in tents in a park is much worse than all of that. It's inexcusable. They should take off their uniforms and join.

 

[minus_273]

So...just out of curiosity what are you up to right now? Kind of hanging out, watching this on TV, letting other people do all the stabbin'? If you're so punk, why aren't you out there trying to butcher as many pigs as possible?

hey man, we're hardcore alright. I just got my first butterfly tattoo yesterday.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

I don't understand how people can have sympathy towards the 1% AT ALL. It's shocking really. But I'm not a fan of capitalism in general so I don't know, maybe people think all of the 1% worked hard and made billions out of pulling their own bootstraps. They all deserve their money and deserve to continue taking it from people they deem to be worth less.

And the police are okay with this too. Clearly sleeping in tents in a park is much worse than all of that.

This isn't about sympathy for the 1%. This is about following the law.

 

[Hex]

Any of them been stabbed yet?

.

Probably.
But mainly by other protesters.
Same with raped, shot, stolen from, etc...

 

[captmcblack]

I love that report of "stabbing" when the cop was probably scratched on the hand, and probably couldn't tell what or who scratched him. I love that an ambulance somehow managed to get in to take that one cop away with said scratch.

I also love how there'll either never be footage of the event (but there'll be a symbolic arrest), or that there'll be preposterously precise footage (like CSI "enhance" stuff) and some impossible item that was used in a frothing crowd of hundreds to thousands of people to do that.

That said, I hope the attack is either false or was not severe/was accidental. It's wrong to attack cops. People - protestors, officers, workers, etc - need to be safe.

Finally, absolutely not re: a leader for OWS. A leader is not just a leader - it's a target. The second someone becomes a figurehead for this thing, they can attack and discredit the movement based on that person, and not based on the topics. I'd hate to see this peter out because the guy who is the face of the movement is some guy who didn't pay some tax, or had some conviction, or some other thing that is unrelated to the points being made.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

This isn't about sympathy for the 1%. This is about following the law.

Which OWS has never been good about to begin with.

 

[Brolic Gaoler]

I want this movement to be peacefully but getting hit by a baton for marching and causing a slight inconvenience to some people. Is begging for retaliation.

Actually, it's not. Getting beat in the face with violence while demonstrating non violence is the power behind civil disobedience.

The moment you retaliate with violence your cause loses support and power.

 

[Alucrid]

Not worthy of a reply, just let it fall.

It could have been a protester or it could be a troublemaker or even a plant.

Until we have facts, if we ever get those facts, its best to not even speculate because literally anything could have gone down out there.

It was the lizardmen.

 

[Hex]

I don't understand how people can have sympathy towards the 1% AT ALL. It's shocking really. But I'm not a fan of capitalism in general so I don't know, maybe people think all of the 1% worked hard and made billions out of pulling their own bootstraps. They all deserve their money and deserve to continue taking it from people they deem to be worth less.

And the police are okay with this too. Clearly sleeping in tents in a park is much worse than all of that. It's inexcusable. They should take off their uniforms and join.

You are trying way too damned hard.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

It was the lizardmen.

Bullshit it was the Jews!

 

[Dude Abides]

In yesterday's thread about the old lady and the pregnant woman I learned that if you put yourself in a situation where violence may break out you deserve what you get.

 

[Angry Fork]

This isn't about sympathy for the 1%. This is about following the law.

Nobody on Wall Street has been tried or convicted of any crime.

At all.

But sleeping in tents is against the law, arrest them all.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Nobody on Wall Street has been tried or convicted of any crime.

At all.

But sleeping in tents is against the law, arrest them all.

What is with "you people" and having no concept of both sides being wrong? Seriously.