balladofwindfishes
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The Albatross said:
if banks and wallstreet don't have to pay their dues, why should you?
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Occupy Wall St - Occupy Everywhere, Occupy Together!
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if banks and wallstreet don't have to pay their dues, why should you?
The Albatross said:
Are you just oblivious to the concept of reform? It's possible to simultaneously "believe" in paying student loans, and also recognize the myriad problems with higher education costs/financing.
Not that student loans are a major part of the Occupy movement...
NullPointer
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Hopefully they trickle it down on the top 1%Puddles said:
dave is ok
aztek is ok
From the beginning they advertised that they were the "majority"The Albatross said:
Something Wicked
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I keep seeing people bring up "reinstate Glass-Steagall" as a serious solution to regulating the banking industry. In reality, reinstating it is a complete non-starter. It would a trigger a massive recession- far worse than when Lehman Brothers liquidated in '08. The Dow would easily lose at least 5,000 and unemployment would double within a month or so. You can't just rip these banks apart at this point, the cat is already out of bag and we must use other measures to mitigate risky investing behaviors.
In the previous thread, I said that limiting day to day, week to week, and month to month market volatility should be regulators/Congress primary focus. To do this, our capital gains tax code needs to be further stratified based on the period one holds onto investments. Limit day trading, and encourage long-term investing. Also, limit commodities trading/speculating by increasing taxes on specific commodities, primarily petroleum, (we already do so with gold) or limit the size of orders of such trades/futures. The rest of the world, or at least mostly commodity importing nations (EU, Japan, India, China), need to enact similar measures in their markets as well.
In the previous thread, I said that limiting day to day, week to week, and month to month market volatility should be regulators/Congress primary focus. To do this, our capital gains tax code needs to be further stratified based on the period one holds onto investments. Limit day trading, and encourage long-term investing. Also, limit commodities trading/speculating by increasing taxes on specific commodities, primarily petroleum, (we already do so with gold) or limit the size of orders of such trades/futures. The rest of the world, or at least mostly commodity importing nations (EU, Japan, India, China), need to enact similar measures in their markets as well.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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dave is ok said:From the beginning they advertised that they were the "majority"
Funny coining a Nixon term considering he was...well Nixon domestically barring Watergate had some decent polices and ideas, that the Tea Party would fucking hate.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
That's just embarrassing. The October2011 thing seems to be more reasonable.remnant said:
gutter_trash
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I don't mind this occupy movement.
at least it is a real grass roots movement
unlike the fabricated fake Tea Party
at least it is a real grass roots movement
unlike the fabricated fake Tea Party
empty vessel
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The Albatross said:
No, I'm not even talking about Sallie Mae (which has been completely private since 2004). I am talking about the fact that student loans came with federal guarantees, meaning private corporations were never on the hook for them. The public was. So, you're welcome for that loan. All the corporation that lent you money did was make a risk-free profit. And, compared to what rate the government would have charged had the system not contained this unnecessary middleman, that corporation gouged you, so that risk-free profit came at your expense and to your detriment.
(Thankfully, this system that literally made people pay financial institutions money for nothing just in order to attend college has been eliminated with legislation signed by Obama, but plutocrats are certainly trying to reverse this gain.)
The Albatross said:
Up to you, really. I support higher education being publicly provided.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
eh, Tea Party was a real grass roots movement. There has always been a large libertarian-leaning population that wasn't comfortable with modern politics. They just got morphed into something truly disgusting really quickly, and before the vast majority had heard of them.gutter_trash said:
But I think that's because the libertarianism is disgusting, it just isn't as obvious as it should be to the people in it because they feel like they're being rational and idealistic.
kame-sennin
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magicstop said:
This getting a lot of (very fair) coverage on the local news stations.
Pathetic Basement Virgin
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gutter_trash said:
Tea party was real until the black guy got elected & it got took over.
I think it could gain some traction but the problem is that parties like Groenlinks or the SP or PvdA(which is desperate right now) join in and call it their protest. But with the whole Greek/Euro thing going on I do believe we'll see a larger turnout than we usually do for these sort of events.Wazzim said:
theBishop said:
That post started out so sane... oh what could have been.
Divvy said:
I searched 'wall street crimes' 'matt taibbi' (or however you spell his name) and there were no Forbes, Businessweek or Al Jazeera articles.
Besides, Forbes is a terrible place for any kind of facts.
Since this is largely about taking the money out of politics, the occupy movement should draft a public campaign finance bill and find a House member or Senator to sponsor it (Sanders? Franken?).
We could turn this into a nationwide, bipartisan movement. I think this is one of the issues people are angry about that absolutely cuts across party lines.
Encourage people to vote against ANY candidate who doesn't support Campaign Finance Reform. Make this a deal-breaker. Even if a candidate agrees with 99% of what you support, if he/she doesn't support Campaign Finance Reform, that candidate doesn't get your vote.
We could turn this into a nationwide, bipartisan movement. I think this is one of the issues people are angry about that absolutely cuts across party lines.
Encourage people to vote against ANY candidate who doesn't support Campaign Finance Reform. Make this a deal-breaker. Even if a candidate agrees with 99% of what you support, if he/she doesn't support Campaign Finance Reform, that candidate doesn't get your vote.
Battersea Power Station
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Why are they getting ignored by Stewart/Colbert? Are they gauging whether to make fun of them or support them?
BotoxAgent
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gutter_trash said:
yeah, the Tea Party ideals were based on irrational paranoia. Tea Party activists are just a bunch of stooges being suckered by corporations and the Koch brothers to do the dirty work for them.
At least with Occupy Wall Street, the problem is more tangible and real.
I love how face after face, person after person, speaker after speaker defies the stereotypes being shoveled on this movement. These aren't just hippies; these aren't just hipsters; these aren't just traditional leftists; these are regular people from all walks of life. People who you might see anywhere, or at any event. Conservative, liberal, religious, non-religious, left, right, woman, man, black, white.
The Dutch Slayer
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WOW that is a lot of people.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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You don't think that is carefully managed in the least?magicstop said:
I love how face after face, person after person, speaker after speaker defies the stereotypes being shoveled on this movement. These aren't just hippies; these aren't just hipsters; these aren't just traditional leftists; these are regular people from all walks of life. People who you might see anywhere, or at any event. Conservative, liberal, religious, non-religious, left, right, woman, man, black, white.
Enosh
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not from the US, but still my take:
I like the idea behind this, tax the rich and corporations, more regulations etc, I can get behind this, hell I just now read the story of the fired HP or something CEO getting a 10 million severance package, he doesn't deserve shit, much less 10 million for being fired
but the problem is, well how to say this gently, the majority in these protest seems to be the kind of people I would line up against a wall along with the bankers and CEOs if I was a dictator ^^
I like the idea behind this, tax the rich and corporations, more regulations etc, I can get behind this, hell I just now read the story of the fired HP or something CEO getting a 10 million severance package, he doesn't deserve shit, much less 10 million for being fired
but the problem is, well how to say this gently, the majority in these protest seems to be the kind of people I would line up against a wall along with the bankers and CEOs if I was a dictator ^^
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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See that's what you can do when unions take over something like this, that said they are about to coopt/marginalize a lot of the goofier elements. If only because they wont be able to maintain or draw numbers like they can with union assistance.The Dutch Slayer said:WOW that is a lot of people.
AbsoluteZero
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Is this real or this is a gag list?
There's a few of these I can understand, but the majority of them are a bit crazy.
Forgive all debts? All debts everywhere for everything? Really? Really?
There's a few of these I can understand, but the majority of them are a bit crazy.
Forgive all debts? All debts everywhere for everything? Really? Really?
AbsoluteZero
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Divvy said:
Okay, that's why I asked.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Well its the far left version of the libertarian/right wing zero taxes slogan. That said I haven't seen the one that much in this affair.AbsoluteZero said:
UltimaPooh
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Enron said:
Center of the stage of what exactly? Occupy Wall Street?
There are other Occupy protests going on this weekend around the country.
AbsoluteZero
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UltimaPooh said:
Is there a list of where this nonsense is going on? The girlfriend and I were planning on a trip to New Orleans this weekend but I don't want to go if the crazies are out.
Well okay, more crazies than usual, anyway.
UltimaPooh
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AbsoluteZero said:
Yes at Occupytogether.org
Although the crazies won't be taking over the entire cities.
AbsoluteZero
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UltimaPooh said:
Thankfully the meetup page for N.O. lists a measly three people. I figure that'll get up to ten by Saturday, so I should be okay.
Thanks for the list.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Most Unions have local and state branches. Its rebranding time on a large scale. Truthfully it increases the chance of something actually coming out of this affair, but the authorship is going to be quite different than originally intended.UltimaPooh said:
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