Occupy Wall St - Occupy Everywhere, Occupy Together!
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Ah kthekad said:
. While it is a large mix of ideas, it all boils down to political corruption. The media is trying its best to make this look like a bunch of hippies with nothing better to do (not all the media). They are afraid of white/blue collar citizens joining in. TV is their mind control and a lot of collars sit and watch TV after work. We break that bond, and I foresee real movement and change happening.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
I disagree that the presence of a few bad apples at protests means the message of the bunch can be disregarded as spoiled. As has already been pointed out, this is hardly a representative sample of the protesters, and you know that. But that aside, of course there are many people, some who are even pretty intelligent, who don't know exactly how they house burned down. Maybe they don't know what kind of fuel was used or what type of lighter or match, but they definitely see the ashes and feel the negative effects of the aftermath and judging by their location, they seem to have a general idea of who helped ignite the spark. One does not have to understand a disease to feel the symptoms or to want treatment, nor does one expect a patient to diagnose and cure himself. That is the job of doctors. Right now people are voicing their concerns that there is a sickness in government and it is the job of politicians to respect the will of their constituents and cure it.
Your perception of this being a farce, is just that -- your perception, and there is hardly a point in debating that. I do think the perception of the general public will play a large role in whether the movement succeeds or fails in forcing the hand of policy makers, but whether there are a few complete idiots at protests or not, is there any doubt that those who would use them to disregard the entire movement would have disregarded the movement anyway? If certain media outlets use these special few to brush aside the anger and frustration people have that they are not being fairly represented in government, then that was the prerogative of those reporters in the first place. I do agree that the movement benefits from informed people who are able to translate these frustrations into enactable policy, and those people are out there if you choose to listen. If effective policies are administered and the symptoms that birthed the protests subside, so will the protests.
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Like me, EV?empty vessel said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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magicstop said:
So in short collateral damage is fine , am I correct in that's what your saying? Just because "fucking fatcats on Wall Street" did it worse, makes you doing it, okay?
Will you include information about how much they have cost the citizens and taxpayers of the various cities?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Jak140 said:
Except this is causing aspects of public services to not be available.
timetokill
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Jenga said:
Yes.
Or are you arguing against the anarcho-libertarians? Because that's not all of them. Or even the majority.
timetokill
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Some of them do, sure.Jenga said:
Since some Democrats are in favor of the Patriot Act, would it make sense for me to say it's a standard issue of support for them?
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Jenga said:
There are always loud, vocal minorities, but they don't necessarily represent the feelings of the larger group.
It's an oversimplification to say it's only federal regulation that is to blame. It's government intervention overall -- and this includes anti-competitive subsidies and protection that the corporations pay for by lobbying and donating millions to politicians.
Take care not to oversimplify a position based on short blurbs on protest signs. Then again I don't want to ruin your strawman-bashing crusade.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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There is a consensus?Azih said:
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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No, really there is a consenus? Oh you mean the random Wall Street is evil stuff.Azih said:
...but we're talking about federal economic regulationsremnant said:
EDIT: actually no, talking about law enforcement there. meh, lost sight of what we were discussing, I was referring to fed regulations sorry
it's not an oversimplification when that's the only message libertarians in the OWS movement have been sayingtimetokill said:
Jenga said:
The only two on this list I've seen related to OWS are tax the rich and tougher regulations. The rest are spewed forth by the anti OWS in an attempt to make it look messie.
It all comes down to the banks fraudulent behaviour and their entanglement with the government and judicial system. That's why they are called Occupy Wall St and not Occupy Washington.
What's annoying me about the anti OWS people is they are refusing to answer any of the many very legitimate questions being asked by the protesters. Their rhetoric seems even more confused. Look at the picture you've quoted, there are over a dozen very important issues raised. And yet your only reply is 'I don't understand what you're asking'.
Do you believe America is in dire economic trouble?
I presume yes, so what do you believe caused it?
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And that makes it right to drain public resources?Myansie said:
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Jenga said:
WTF are you talking about? Most people at OWS are not Libertarians. There's a handful nothing more.
Nice little dream world you made yourself.
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remnant said:
I guess they didn't teach about Medicaid, federal grants to school districts, or a million other things in your high school?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Ether_Snake said:
Day 31 Occupy Wall Street October 16 2011 Shankbone 11 by david_shankbone, on Flickr
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Nice rebuttal manos
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Doesn't mean jack shit. At Zucotti Park, I saw two Ron Paul signs out of hundreds.
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Dude(s),
Let's make a few things clear you guys don't want to admit:
#1- OWS is not longer in NY only. So when you want to address anything regarding OWS, it can't be about the situation in a specific city, it has to be about the whole movement.
#2- It is also global. So #1 applies even globally.
I know it's easier to attack it by pretending one or two pictures backs your viewpoint, but sorry, it doesn't.
Next time you post, refer to #1 and #2 before hitting that submit button, then back away and close the window.
Let's make a few things clear you guys don't want to admit:
#1- OWS is not longer in NY only. So when you want to address anything regarding OWS, it can't be about the situation in a specific city, it has to be about the whole movement.
#2- It is also global. So #1 applies even globally.
I know it's easier to attack it by pretending one or two pictures backs your viewpoint, but sorry, it doesn't.
Next time you post, refer to #1 and #2 before hitting that submit button, then back away and close the window.
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Heading to my local Occupy tomorrow. Handed out 161 bottles of water last week, going to try for 200 this week. Also bringing my ice chest with me, as lugging around cases of not cold water last week sucked ass. Hopefully my comrade in arms, the cookie lady, will reinforce my water supplies with freshly baked cookies. I am the Bobby Boucher of the Occupy movement. H20 for all, H20 for everyone!
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Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
Let's just say the people complaining about other people being stupid or ignorant typically don't have room to be speaking.
Jenga said:
Libertarians are welcome precisely to the extent they support the OWS demand to free government from the iron grip corporate business interests have over it. There is room for inclusion of people of different political persuasions who, whatever else may be their disagreements, oppose the corrosive effect of money on our democratic institutions. But OWS is clear about what it is and who are its targets:
"Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattans Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future."
If there are Libertarians involved who oppose these goals, they are in the wrong movement. If they support these goals, great. It is quite clear, however, that Libertarians are a small minority. It's somewhat strange that some posters who will remain nameless are both calling OWS a "far left" movement and at the same time insisting that it is overrun with Libertarians. Both can't be true.
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Lol.
Tea Party rally: LOOK AT THIS ONE GUY WHO HAD A RACIST SIGN, WHAT A BUNCH OF RACISTS!!!
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Tea Party rally: LOOK AT THIS ONE GUY WHO HAD A RACIST SIGN, WHAT A BUNCH OF RACISTS!!!
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Manos: The Hans of Fate
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What movement? I haven't seen anything that could be called a movement, unless we've really lowered the bar to include squatting and rambling about issues they have no idea about, if that's the case, then yes you have a movement.Ether_Snake said:
Next try to make better statements and do not try and hid the fact that libertarians and Ron Paul people are there. Just like people can't pretend that the Montreal squatters don't have the indpendence goofballs.
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