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Something Wicked said:
The Dow is down 200 points right off the bat- the revolution is at hand!...

Oh wait, it's just due to Euroland and their massive fucking debts.
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Because the US has none, right ?
 
I think we may have analyzed this protest incorrectly. What we should have been doing was asking "What can we learn from this protest that we can apply to the Tea Party to make them this pathetic and inconsequential?"
 
confused said:
At least that's fair. I can understand a city wanting some financial insurance in case shit hits the fan.
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Yeah, and the requirement is done (and has to be done) in a politically neutral way.

I'm going to go with option B : Idiot.
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Yeah, that's my thought too.

Is that a smartphone? That said I don't smoke, but I won't criticize him too much, at least he stuck to a single message and theme!
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What does that even mean?
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Day 3 of Manos' protesting of the protesting of wall street.

How long can he last?! Bring food, water! Bring your tent! Who knows how long he can hold out? We're all rooting for you big guy!!
 
Dechaios said:
Day 3 of Manos' protesting of the protesting of wall street.

How long can he last?! Bring food, water! Bring your tent! Who knows how long he can hold out? We're all rooting for you big guy!!
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Manos is guaranteed to be the last man standing in this whole debacle.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
I think we may have analyzed this protest incorrectly. What we should have been doing was asking "What can we learn from this protest that we can apply to the Tea Party to make them this pathetic and inconsequential?"
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Make them use Flickr a lot more and have people take a ton of photos. I mean this isn't even hard to dig this stuff up. I mean seriously. I would love absolutely love to have a website just making fun of dumb political signs (left, right, communist, xenophobic), but someone beat me to the punch.
http://godhatesprotesters.wordpress.com/

That said a open sourced protest sign mocking site (drawing from around the world) would be something I'd love to do. Seriously, anyone interested?

Perhaps holding extremists out for what they are (idiots) would encourage people to talk more substantively about issues.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Make them use Flickr a lot more and have people take a ton of photos. I mean this isn't even hard to dig this stuff up. I mean seriously. I would love absolutely love to have a website just making fun of dumb political signs (left, right, communist, xenophobic), but someone beat me to the punch.
http://godhatesprotesters.wordpress.com/

That said a open sourced protest sign mocking site (drawing from around the world) would be something I'd love to do. Seriously, anyone interested?

Perhaps holding extremists out for what they are (idiots) would encourage people to talk more substantively about issues.
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No, I'm not obsessed with stupid shit and have better things to do with my life.
 
travisbickle said:
Manos, you're starting to criticise whole swathes of society now.

Do you have an issue with the right for people to protest?
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Manos has been on the lookout for the absurd. Stupid tea party signs have been used for comedic value for over a year at this point. This isn't any different, but for some reason everyone here seems to have a problem with it....
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
Manos has been on the lookout for the absurd. Stupid tea party signs have been used for comedic value for over a year at this point. This isn't any different, but for some reason everyone here seems to have a problem with it....
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I guess the main difference there is that the tea party stands for the dissolution of America as it is and the nutbags at this protest are at least on the right track(that track being that there is something seriously wrong with economic giants crushing any final remnants of what was once the "American dream"). So yeah it's pretty different.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
Manos has been on the lookout for the absurd. Stupid tea party signs have been used for comedic value for over a year at this point. This isn't any different, but for some reason everyone here seems to have a problem with it....
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Manos has three times the amount of posts in this thread than anyone else does, all of them nearly identical.
 
Dechaios said:
I guess the main difference there is that the tea party stands for the dissolution of America as it is and the nutbags at this protest are at least on the right track(that track being that there is something seriously wrong with economic giants crushing any final remnants of what was once the "American dream"). So yeah it's pretty different.
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So because you disagree with a group politcally you find mocking them ok. Sounds reasonable. So to get this straight, you think the Tea Party is wrong for wanting more fiscal responsibility in government? Because if they're so worthy of ridicule they must have absolutely zero valid points.
 
dave is ok said:
Manos has three times the amount of posts in this thread than anyone else does, all of them nearly identical.
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He's just a one trick pony. If he did this in every thread he'd be seen as gimmick poster/massive troll.
brucewaynegretzky said:
So because you disagree with a group politcally you find mocking them ok. Sounds reasonable. So to get this straight, you think the Tea Party is wrong for wanting more fiscal responsibility in government? Because if they're so worthy of ridicule they must have absolutely zero valid points.
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brucewaynegretzky said:
Manos has been on the lookout for the absurd. Stupid tea party signs have been used for comedic value for over a year at this point. This isn't any different, but for some reason everyone here seems to have a problem with it....
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He does not know basic colour theory, subtractive colours, it's impossible to split those colours... 13 year old children know information like that.
 
travisbickle said:
Manos, you're starting to criticise whole swathes of society now.

Do you have an issue with the right for people to protest?
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No, Manos has an issue with people wasting a perfectly good protest.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
Manos has been on the lookout for the absurd. Stupid tea party signs have been used for comedic value for over a year at this point. This isn't any different, but for some reason everyone here seems to have a problem with it....
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Hey, if the Tea Party used Flickr far more and were gathering in New York I'd have no problem making fun of them either. Hell, I did say I thought I saw some Rick Perry supporters. Political humor doesn't only rest with one side. Ironically being tech and social network savvy has a downside of this stuff getting far more range than stupid Tea Party nonsense.

confused said:
No, Manos has an issue with people wasting a perfectly good protest.
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Bingo. They are accomplishing nothing except pushing people away to either apathy or the opposition.

travisbickle said:
He does not know basic colour theory, subtractive colours, it's impossible to split those colours... 13 year old children know information like that.
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That relates to the message of "getting money out of government" how?
 
NYPD Arrest Seven Wall Street Protesters

The New York City Police Department arrested at least seven protesters in the first three days of a demonstration on Wall Street targeting financial firms.
Two protesters wearing masks were arrested for trying to enter a building used by Bank of America Corp. (BAC) and one was taken into custody for jumping a police barrier, said Paul Browne, a police spokesman, in an e-mailed statement. Four people were arrested today for wearing masks in violation of a law that bars two or more participants from doing so, he said.
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Hmm, I wonder if that law is recent or just using an older one?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...lice-arrest-seven-wall-street-protesters.html
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
NYPD Arrest Seven Wall Street Protesters

Hmm, I wonder if that law is recent or just using an older one?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...lice-arrest-seven-wall-street-protesters.html
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This is starting to sound like they're enforcing laws that haven't been used in years. I would say this has lawsuit written all over it, but that would imply these protestors are savvy enough. Considering the whole permit situation that seems kind of unlikley.
 
Manos is to Occupy Wall St as travisbickle is to Manos

This thread is far more interesting (and populated) than the actual protests.

Your posts are confusing and do not have a clear, defined message?
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Can you find a clear, defined message in the protests? I can't.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
This is starting to sound like they're enforcing laws that haven't been used in years. I would say this has lawsuit written all over it, but that would imply these protestors are savvy enough. Considering the whole permit situation that seems kind of unlikley.
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Apparently, this one got field tested. That said I have no clue if you could apply it to this situation and I can't find out if there was a further appeal or when the law dates from.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/20/rights.klan.reut/
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- A federal appeals court Tuesday ruled that a New York state law barring public demonstrators from wearing masks is valid under the U.S. Constitution and does not violate Ku Klux Klan members' free speech rights.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' ruling reverses a trial court's finding that the state law violated the First Amendment. The three-judge panel said the mask was not protected by the free-speech provision because it does not convey a message independently of the robe and hood.

"Since the robe and hood alone clearly serve to identify the American Knights with the Klan, we conclude that the mask does not communicate any message that the robe and hood do not," the appeals court said. "The expressive force of the mask is, therefore, redundant."

U.S. District Judge Harold Baer held in a 2002 ruling that the state law violated the free speech rights of the Butler, Indiana-based Church of the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. The group had argued that the wearing of the mask was symbolic speech that is protected by the Constitution.

If the judge's decision had been upheld, members of the group would have been able to hide their identities by wearing hoods and masks at New York rallies.

Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union that had argued on behalf of the American Knights, said the organization was reviewing the ruling and considering its options.

Baer's ruling dates back to a 1999 case in which the city had denied parade and sound permits to a Klan group that wanted to hold a "White Pride" rally wearing masks. City lawyers said they told the group they could hold a demonstration only if they appeared without disguises.

Although a trial judge ruled that group could march with masks, the Second Circuit had stayed the decision. The group held its event on October 23, 1999, without masks but continued to fight the matter.

The American Knights describes itself in court papers as an organization that advocates white separatism and "white pride." Although it is not formally associated with the KKK, the two groups share certain beliefs and both wear robes and hooded masks.
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EDIT: Case
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1422873.html

A person is guilty of loitering when he:

Being masked or in any manner disguised by unusual or unnatural attire or facial alteration, loiters, remains or congregates in a public place with other persons so masked or disguised, or knowingly permits or aids persons so masked or disguised to congregate in a public place;  except that such conduct is not unlawful when it occurs in connection with a masquerade party or like entertainment ․

N.Y. Penal Law § 240.35(4) (McKinney 2000).  
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Apparently, this one got field tested. That said I have no clue if you could apply it to this situation and I can't find out if there was a further appeal or when the law dates from.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/20/rights.klan.reut/


EDIT: Case
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1422873.html
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That loooks more like a case of a shitty plaintiff. It would be interesting to see how they come down with a non-clan plaintiff. My guess is they say somehting along the lines of "blah blah hate speech blah blah substantively significant blah blah."
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
That relates to the message of "getting money out of government" how?
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Holy fuckin' shit, are you playing this narrative out in your head?

Blue is created when you add/subtract green and yellow, it's impossible to split them because one is created due to the other 2. Maybe it's a reference to people who believe you cannot split banking from greed or economic instability or whatever. Or maybe it's a way of saying we can do the impossible together...

People are protesting, they have their reasons, they have their opinions, some even have a lack of education which means they make spelling mistakes. Just let them be, unless of course you are against the right for people to protest? Are you against the right for people to protest?
 
travisbickle said:
Holy fuckin' shit, are you playing this narrative out in your head?

Blue is created when you add/subtract green and yellow, it's impossible to split them because one is created due to the other 2. Maybe it's a reference to people who believe you cannot split banking from greed or economic instability or whatever. Or maybe it's a way of saying we can do the impossible together...

People are protesting, they have their reasons, they have their opinions, some even have a lack of education which means they make spelling mistakes. Just let them be, unless of course you are against the right for people to protest? Are you against the right for people to protest?
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This is the WORST logic ever and completely ignores everything that has been said about ridiculous tea party protests.
 
brucewaynegretzky said:
That loooks more like a case of a shitty plaintiff. It would be interesting to see how they come down with a non-clan plaintiff. My guess is they say somehting along the lines of "blah blah hate speech blah blah substantively significant blah blah."
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Yeah, if it was say against WTO Protesters or something like that, as opposed to the Klan it would be on more solid ground. Granted when the Klan wins a free speech case, than pretty much everyone wins.

travisbickle said:
Blue is created when you add/subtract green and yellow, it's impossible to split them because one is created due to the other 2. Maybe it's a reference to people who believe you cannot split banking from greed or economic instability or whatever. Or maybe it's a way of saying we can do the impossible together...
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So you have no clue either.
 
travisbickle said:
Just let them be, unless of course you are against the right for people to protest? Are you against the right for people to protest?
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I am absolutely for the right of American to act as stupid as they like, for whatever reason, as long as it doesn't impact those around them in a negative way.

Example: during the Verizon strike here in NYC, protesters stood around with loud bells, whistles, and horns, making noise while those who crossed the picket lines to fix the lines of paying customers (like myself) who had been sabotaged, were doing their job. I'm all for this, except if it's happening near a day care center where workers unrelated to the Verizon strike are trying to put babies to sleep. I think the daycare center should be able to complain and cops should come and arrest or at least ticket the people for disturbing the peace.

Similarly, I think punishing the guys who are trying to sell newpapers on Wall Street because you think you're sending a message to the banks is unfair and should be handled by the authorities. Which in this case, is exactly what seems to be happening.
 
It's silly to say that this protest shouldn't take place just because some have funny signs, the financial institutions need to feel the pressure. Unless you work for one of those institutions of course, then you're just hating because they criticize your (company's) wrongdoings.
 
It would be better if they had a clear purpose and everyone was on the same page it would make this more effective just having random people around with different signs and stuff really won't do much.However good on them anything like this is the first step in change its a shame they didn't do it when the government was screwing around with the debt ceiling stuff.
 
This is probably a few years too late. There needed to be something massive - on the scale of the Iraq War protests 8 years ago prior to the start of the war. I can't imagine anyone working on Wall Street taking this seriously, especially given how much they have gotten away with over the last 50 years.
 
Cmagus said:
It would be better if they had a clear purpose and everyone was on the same page it would make this more effective just having random people around with different signs and stuff really won't do much.However good on them anything like this is the first step in change its a shame they didn't do it when the government was screwing around with the debt ceiling stuff.
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It would help if they were a little more clear.
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ElTopo said:
Too late. Too little. They're gonna get away with it like every time. Until that one day everything crashes, which is when we're all screwed.
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At which point the wall street pigs will have to fly to work in helicopters and be dropped off on the roof to avoid the bloodied, enraged masses below.

Manos will still be posting pictures of the bloodshed and laughing.
 
What is it with this guy? lol

Interpretive Performance Art by Collin David Anderson, on Flickr

Am the only one who thinks that not supplying themselves with their own food and asking for donations, that could go to you know, food banks, is kind of selfish and counterproductive? That said the massive ammounts of hastags explains why topics about this weren't trending for awhile.

Coordinating Communications by Collin David Anderson, on Flickr

Umm, so Capitalism worked and you're here because you got money from your parents. I'd argue you sarcasm/irony...but I don't think so.

Parents Gave Me Money. by Collin David Anderson, on Flickr
 
the funniest part about this is that no one who works for the remaining finance related companies here even knows this happened :lol
 
jon bones said:
the funniest part about this is that no one who works for the remaining finance related companies here even knows this happened :lol
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Really? lol

That's why you get a permit people.

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An officer reaching for a man who was later arrested on charges of jumping a police barrier and resisting arrest at the protests in the financial district Monday morning.
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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Really? lol
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wall street on weekends is a ghost town. i would have stopped by but i spent the weekend at our fund's beach house with some buddies getting wasted and eating oysters and crab cakes. came into work this morning and everything looked as it did Friday.
 
jon bones said:
wall street on weekends is a ghost town. i would have stopped by but i spent the weekend at our fund's beach house with some buddies getting wasted and eating oysters and crab cakes. came into work this morning and everything looked as it did Friday.
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Oh on the weekend, yeah it's dead as hell my wife lived in the area when we were still dating. I'd meet her after work and it was like Post Apoc in terms of everything being closed. Hell, there are places I have never seen open once because of when I would meet her. lol
 
Name one protest with a complicated message that was conveyed properly.

There's a reason most protests boil down to a stupid slogan/song. People are there for different reasons and most of them are dumb.

Doesn't mean it isn't worth it to demonstrate in some way.
 
dave is ok said:
Name one protest with a complicated message that was conveyed properly.

There's a reason most protests boil down to a stupid slogan/song. People are there for different reasons and most of them are dumb.

Doesn't mean it isn't worth it to demonstrate in some way.
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The tea party is WAY clearer. Cut spending. Reduce gov't.

This one is... be more ethical? Maybe? 4 hour work day?

EDIT: The more I think about it I don't think they've talked about ONE SINGLE THING that had to do with actually reforming what Wall St. does with the one exception of Glass Steagall that someone mentioned before, but that has been BY FAR the least evident thing in this protest.
 
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