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October Wrasslin |OT| Are you a Kane guy? Hell NO! I'm the tag team champions!

How did Cena go from feuding with Kenzo Suzuki and Rene Dupree to WWE Champion within a year? It seems like every guy that has debuted in the past few years that isn't from NXT gets a massive push to start off with and then it dies down.

Sheamus went from beating up ECW guys straight to beating Cena, then losing the title in the EC, then feuding with HHH (which included putting him out of action for nearly a year), then another title reign, then KOTR, then became the King Jobber for the next year. Such a weird career trajectory. How do you more or less start out feuding with Cena and HHH and be jobbing to Santino by the end of the year?

Whoever decided that cooling down a push = making that guy a complete joke so you have to start from scratch when you want to push him again should have been fired long ago. It's not a surprise they can't build stars when they intentionally snuff out the ones that start shining.

It's been a pretty big problem for the past 5-6 years now and it is killing them right now.
If you don't win the WWE championship or get over in your 1st or 2nd year in the WWE then you become a jobber. If you win it then you will be a "main eventer" then your fed to Cena which could cause you to go back to jobber status. Rinse and Repeat

Out of the midcard and lower these peoples careers are over already

-Alex Riley
-Drew Macyntire
-Otunga
-Ezekial Jackson
-Jack Swagger
-Slater
-Hunico
-The Usos
-Johnny Curtis
-Mahal
-Gabriel
-JTG
-Kofi
-Michael McGillicutty (Unless he changes his name and starts over)
-R-Truth
-Ted Dibiase
-Tensai
-Trent Barreta
-Hawkins

People that still have a chance
-Wade Barret (Hes getting close to becoming a jobber this is his last push)
-Cesaro
-Santino (for comedy)
-Sin Cara
-Titus and Darren Young
-Zack Ryder (Due to merchandise sells)
-Dolph Ziggler(The MITB is keeping him from becoming a full jobber)
-Cody Rhodes
-Sandow

Once you become a jobber you either have to do something drastic to get out of there or leave the company. Recent examples are CM Punk and John Morrison. CM Punk had become a high mid-tier jobber until he dropped the pipe bomb. If Morrison comes back he will be out of the jobber status but will go back to being a jobber if he doesn't get over
 

bigosc2k

Banned
People that still have a chance
-Wade Barret (Hes getting close to becoming a jobber this is his last push)
-Cesaro
-Santino (for comedy)
-Sin Cara
-Titus and Darren Young
-Zack Ryder (Due to merchandise sells)
-Dolph Ziggler(The MITB is keeping him from becoming a full jobber)

We have the Big Show to blame for this with the stupid botch spot early in the year.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Same thing with Wade Barrett. He was positioned as a major threat to John Cena all throughout 2010. Then, he spent all of 2011 as nothing but a mid-card nobody.

it happens with basically everyone Cena feuds with that wasn't around during the attitude era, except for Randy Orton and CM Punk. That's because cena buries his opponent on the mic with his "Well, if I lose, you'll have redeemed yourself, and I'll still have my cenation, it won't matter to me if you beat me! But if you lose, it'll prove that you are absolute dog shit in the ring and you aren't fit to lace the boots of the brooklyn brawler. You should just go away and retire, because you don't have it. That's what it means if you lose." schtick. He does a terrible job at building up his opponents. He lusts after the belt while simultaneously downplaying its importance ("Well I may lose/have lost but we're going to tear/tore the house down in the process! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"). He no sells ddts on concrete, mocks a WWE title win from a money in the bank cash in as non-legit (and then beats del rio in a squash match), and always goes over whoever he faces, except the champion on occasion. Always ends up becoming the #1 contender when he should be putting over someone else in a #1 contender's match (not that he even has to compete for the #1 contendership usually).


Justin Gabriel, Heath Slater, David Otunga, and Wade Barrett are STILL reeling from Cena's burial of nexus. R-Truth has been stuck in the irrelevant portion of the mid-card ever since Cena beat him. Chris Masters' career never quite recovered once Cena broke the master lock (with ease), though he tried.

The only guys that have been able to avoid being buried from feuding with Cena in the last 5 years or so are CM Punk and Edge
 
-Santino (for comedy)

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After seeing all of this respect stuff, I appreciate the Santinos and Slaters (ROCK HIS FACE) of the world even more.
 
We have the Big Show to blame for this with the stupid botch spot early in the year.

Maybe, maybe not. Barrett was rumored to win MITB, but it's not like that means anything. He could be exactly where Ziggler is, carrying a briefcase while he jobs every week. Is that any better then where he is at now?
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
It is absolutely pathetic wha tthey did with Wade.

He came in an d became the face of Nexus, pulling off 15-20 minute promos on a weekly basis and making himself seem perfectly belonging in the main event scene with the likes of Orton and Cena... and yet somehow they turned him into a jobber.
 
John Cena burried Randy Orton so bad that it turned him face. People started feeling bad for this guy i think it was a straight full year of jobbing to Cena
 

hertog

Member
Well watched RAW for the first time in about a month. And no sir, I didn't like it.

First I thought WWE could never give a push someone to the moon worse than Cena, Sheamus arrived and now Ryback.

Ryback is Khali levels of bad, but at least Khali had some 70's bond villian henchman charm to him. Ryback is just... ugh. I was getting so annoyed with the feed me more chants... my god.

There's no focus during the show, everything feels random with just a few characters that are likable enough to not turn off the tv but to fast forward through most of it.

Kane/Bryan/Punk/Rhode Scholars.

That's ALL they've got (until people like Christian or JEricho return), the rest is garbage tier and not worthy of my tv time. Ow and I used to really like Wade Barrett, but what the hell have they done with him!?

Luckily we've the hilarity here that is Soulplaya's Kane-obsession and that what keeps me reading the results and looking up the team friendship bits on youtube.
 
Next month Pro-Wrestling NOAH hold their annual Global League heavyweight singles tournament, featuring just one outsider from the promotion; Yuji Nagata, who has stated that, if he wins the tournament, he will only accept the title shot against reigning champion Takeshi Morishima in a New Japan ring at the huge Tokyo Dome show on January 4th!

Really hope this pans out for Nagata, as him vs Morishima on such a grand stage would be awesome to see. The potential card for the Tokyo Dome show is shaping up to be awesome so far;

. Keiji Mutoh & Daichi Hashimoto vs ?? & ??
. Laughter7 (Kazushi Sakuraba & Katsuyori Shibata) vs ?? & ??
. IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Title Match; Low Ki (c) vs Prince Devitt
. GHC Heavyweight Title Match; Takeshi Morishima (c) vs Yuji Nagata - (if Nagata wins the Global League)
. IWGP Heavyweight Title Match; Hiroshi Tanahashi (c) vs Kazuchika Okada - (if Tanahashi beats Yujiro and Okada beats Goto on the 11/11 iPPV)

Plus, the usual tag title matches - probably a rematch of Forever Hooligans vs Time Splitters. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if TenKoji regain their titles from KES on the 11/11 iPPV and are then challenged by Laughter7 for the belts on 01/04, as Shibata & Sakuraba already stated that they want tougher opponents and are sick of facing Inoue.
 

Seraphis Cain

bad gameplay lol
Mutoh needs to hang it up, like badly. Every time I see him in the ring, he just looks worse and worse. =/ My favorite wrestler of all time died in the ring only a few years ago. I don't want another one of my favorites to go that way.
 
Mutoh needs to hang it up, like badly. Every time I see him in the ring, he just looks worse and worse. =/ My favorite wrestler of all time died in the ring only a few years ago. I don't want another one of my favorites to go that way.

He's getting close to retiring, I think. He's knees are pretty much shot, but it's not like he's a regular competitor, and I'm sure he can still bring the goods for the biggest puroresu show of the year - hell, he pulled out one of my favourite matches of the year against Akiyama back in March. Also, the focus will most likely be on young Daichi standing up to whomever they end up facing, while Mutoh will be there to make the hot tag, hit his spots and, maybe, put someone over.
 

strobogo

Banned
I'm a little late on BFG, but I have some thoughts:

Why was Christie wearing a prom dress? She's in her 30s. She seems a little old for that.

Opening match was pretty nothing. I did like that wacky corkscrew knee thing Ion did. I was hoping RVD would be as motivated as he was on Impact, but he clearly wasn't.

Really enjoyed Joe vs Magnus. They delivered. I'd like to see them keep feuding. I'm hoping this TV Title reign will help Joe recover his career a bit. Magnus is awesome and so young. He has a big future.

Beer Money EXPLODES was awesome. As good a brawl as you'll see in WWE or TNA. That was probably the bloodiest face I've seen in a few years in the wrasslin business. Disgusting blade job. Great ending to the feud, although I really doubt it is actually the end of it. I feel a Flair/Sting vibe never ending feud with them. Poor Spanish announce team. Taz and Tenay get a table that probably cost $1000, and they get a basic $50 wooden table with a black table cloth. And once it gets broken, they have to hold their monitors on their laps while Tenay makes fun of them for it? BA*, Mike. I also question the decision to make the elevated ramp grated metal. Obviously people would be bumping on it at some point, so they make it the least forgiving material that isn't concrete?

I think Joey Ryan is the last person you want to get on all 4s and offer yourself to. Man, 50 year old Al Snow looked way better than Joey Ryan. Of all the PWG guys, Joey Ryan is the one they pick? Not Steen, Generico, Brian Cage Taylor, Ricochet, even Rick Knox? Joey Ryan is just so...average. Oh great, Matt Morgan is back and he got some more shitty tats while he was gone. I can't explain to you how absolutely uninterested I am in this angle going forward. I'd rather just see Al Snow and D'Lo renew their feud than see Morgan or Ryan every week. I also liked how this match got the typical KO/Diva match spot when there is an actual KO match later on in the show.

"Tex-Mex combination"...but both guys are from Texas. Did no one tell AJ that maybe a Southern man walking out with a white pointy hood has some unfortunate implications? Kurt makes me sad. Seeing him all hunched over looking like an old man in the corner just bums me out. God, I hate Kaz. I want a winner and loser must be off TV forever match between him and Miz. Or maybe a Miz/Kaz vs Ryback/Hernandez match where there is no way either could escape without injury. TNA can never succeed with Matt Morgan and Kaz on their shows. Which makes me think, not that I miss him, but where is Crimson? I feel like he hasn't been on TV since May or June and I don't remember an angle taking him off TV. That was a pretty disgusting fall Kaz took. I said holy shit, but I didn't feel bad or worried. Jesus, I thought Kurt was going to die when he was up for the Border Toss. He has to be the last guy who should ever take that move. I'd be less worried at Hogan taking that move over Kurt. WHO THE FUCK IS PANTING NEXT TO A MIC?! Jesus Christ. For like 5 minutes. Lol at a dude in the 2nd row bootlegging the match on his iPad. Awesome match, terrible finish.

LOL at Taz screaming for the guest time keeper to ring the bell and then Tiffany calling for the bell to be rang like 15 seconds after it was rung. Big surprise, Tara's horse hair weave is falling out within 5 minutes. "A little out of position was Taryn Tarell....at least she's hot." Awkward silence. I find it interesting that Taz never uses the right in the/lost an areola line during KO matches. Reasonably decent match, but I don't know why Victoria won. Tiffany blatantly given Tara directions from her ear piece. Awesome. Her boyfriend looks like a gay porn star. "WHO ARE YOU?" chant. Nice. Jesus, Mike. "Let's go to something important." I agree, but that's taking burying a segment to a new level.

Where are Sting's eyebrows? Besides his hair, he still looks pretty young in the face. TNA renting out a conference room at a hotel for their HOF while WWE rents out an arena is really both companies in a nut shell.

Hulk Hogan is the right guy to play with? And yet he's suing for his sex tape? Talk about mixed messages. Bully's face paint looked less like Sting and more like Power Warrior Kensuke Sasaki. Or maybe even Mr. Pogo. Which guys were wrestling? Festus and Mike Knox? The casualness of Bully hitting whichever with the piece of table was hilarious. I'm always going to mark out for the Stinger splash miss on the guard rail spot. Maybe my favorite of his signature bumps. D-Von vs Hulk Hogan, the dream match we've all been waiting for. Hogan's big boot looks like Andre trying to kick people in 1990. So glad Bully didn't turn on Sting. Even as a mid boss, D-Von is a massive let down. "This is awkward" chant. They've had some great chants Sunday.

Jeff has his most normal face paint in 3 years on the biggest show of the year? Weird. big match feel, at least. What the fuck? The crowd clearly, loudly chanting Aries and Tenay says all of the sudden the creatures vocally drowned out Aries supporters? It's like 80/20 in A Double's favor at the start. Fun match, terrible finish. A Double definitely looks like he belongs with the biggest stars. He's like Rick Rude, Randy Savage, and Stunning Steve all in a 4 foot package. Maybe they don't want to do "selfish heel champion" after 10 months of ROOOOOoooo. Although, there was no reason to turn A Double heel when the crowd loves him and he just turned face within a few weeks before he wont the title.
 
So did Wrasslegaf pen Miz's script earlier? because god damn.
This is the sort of chance i've been wanting Kofi to get then he has to go and deliver the first botched TiP in like ever, fuck it, just say it was RUTHLESS AGGRESSION, if Ryback can main event with Punk despite being considered a danger by other wrestlers than it should be fine and dandy.

Barrett is too good to be meandering around with no direction, put him in a title feud next month.
 

Forkball

Member
A big reason The Ryback is getting megapushed is that there are no good midcard faces. Ok I like Ryder, but he is devolving into a comedy character like Santino. The mid card belts have been held by heels for years, minus the transitional reigns of people like Kofi, Christian, Show etc. I know we all like to hate on Cena, but I feel his transition from midcarder to main eventer should be the blueprint for how it's done. One Wrestlemania he wins the midcard title, the next he wins the world title. There's logical progression there. WWE lets people flounder for years in the midcard, when in reality most of the huge stars only spent a year or two in the midcard before hitting it big. And when they manage to surprise everyone and put a strap on new blood, they typically book them terrible (Swagger, Punk's first reign, etc.) and they kick them down to the bottom again.
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Last time Big Show hated D FRY so much, he broke in the elimination chamber pod that D FRY was in and proceeded to take D FRY's manhood. This was before his heel turn. It's no way Big Show beats Sheamus.
 
That concussion kick couldn't have come at a better time storyline wise after talking about kofi needing to find something else

Yup yup yup what it do!
 

KissVibes

Banned
Did we watch the same show? On mine I remember Ryback getting a huge reaction. I should catch the replay or something.

When he came out to the contract signing, crowd was dead. When he pulled off his finisher on Punk at the end, the crowd was dead.

His chant gets a big reaction, not him. By TLC he'll be where Albert is.
 

strobogo

Banned
When he came out to the contract signing, crowd was dead. When he pulled off his finisher on Punk at the end, the crowd was dead.

His chant gets a big reaction, not him. By TLC he'll be where Albert is.

No, D-Brine's chant gets a big reaction. No one does FEED ME MORE when Ryback is no where to be found. Where as people still do YES throughout the whole show.
 

Kyoufu

Member
No, D-Brine's chant gets a big reaction. No one does FEED ME MORE when Ryback is no where to be found. Where as people still do YES throughout the whole show.

That just means the crowd likes chanting it and not necessarily chanting it because they like Daniel Bryan.

Anyway time to wake up and smell the coffee. Ryback will be WWE Champion before Bryan.
 

Ithil

Member
That just means the crowd likes chanting it and not necessarily chanting it because they like Daniel Bryan.

Anyway time to wake up and smell the coffee. Ryback will be WWE Champion before Bryan.

No, the DANIEL BRYAN chants point to that.
 

A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
That Raw was so boring and that ending so completely rage inducing that I might take a break until RR.

It was all background noise, the only reason I turned my head to look at my TV was to see either Punk or Bryan.
 

sajj316

Member
When he came out to the contract signing, crowd was dead. When he pulled off his finisher on Punk at the end, the crowd was dead.

His chant gets a big reaction, not him. By TLC he'll be where Albert is.

Are you referring to the 5 hillbillies in the front row that were spectating all night? If so .. that doesn't equate to a dead crowd. He's over people. Get over that .. He's OVER! At this point in the business for the WWE, build stars damn it. I don't care if he only says 3 words. I don't care if he's got on RVD's tights. I don't care that he has a shaved head, beard, and has power moves like one Bill Goldberg. He's getting decent pops. People actually pay to see him during the week at events where he's taking on Punk for more than 15 minutes (something a lot of us don't take into consideration because we judge by what we see on TV). He paid his dues and now he's going to get paid.

+1 on PPV buy .. that's all.
 

hertog

Member
Are you referring to the 5 hillbillies in the front row that were spectating all night? If so .. that doesn't equate to a dead crowd. He's over people. Get over that .. He's OVER! At this point in the business for the WWE, build stars damn it. I don't care if he only says 3 words. I don't care if he's got on RVD's tights. I don't care that he has a shaved head, beard, and has power moves like one Bill Goldberg. He's getting decent pops. People actually pay to see him during the week at events where he's taking on Punk for more than 15 minutes (something a lot of us don't take into consideration because we judge by what we see on TV). He paid his dues and now he's going to get paid.

+1 on PPV buy .. that's all.

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KissVibes

Banned
All that fellating that Vince did last night will wear thin with people. It might not be soon but it'll happen and thereafter you'll be seeing Tazz get all excited for Ryan Reeves vs Matt Morgan in TNA. He's not as popular or as longterm as the WWE thinks or as you guys like to pretend.

Are you referring to the 5 hillbillies in the front row that were spectating all night? If so .. that doesn't equate to a dead crowd. He's over people. Get over that .. He's OVER! At this point in the business for the WWE, build stars damn it. I don't care if he only says 3 words. I don't care if he's got on RVD's tights. I don't care that he has a shaved head, beard, and has power moves like one Bill Goldberg. He's getting decent pops. People actually pay to see him during the week at events where he's taking on Punk for more than 15 minutes (something a lot of us don't take into consideration because we judge by what we see on TV). He paid his dues and now he's going to get paid.

+1 on PPV buy .. that's all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHQVVNzfuPg

Yeah, he's so over with people that they cut his entrance short for this video because it was mild as fuck. He's also so over that when he gave the WWE CHAMPION, THE COMPANIES BIG HEEL his finisher people stood around with no reaction. And no, it wasn't just "five hillbillies" It was over half the fucking arena.

And people pay to see him at live events? What is that even based on? Are house shows billed as THE RYBACK featuring WWE Superstars? Do people that go up to the ticket stand and ask for "One ticket to see The Ryback, please" ?

But whatever, you guys want to support some unpolished turd who isn't safe in the ring and so-called feats of strength that are unimpressive, you go right ahead. Meanwhile I'll support complete packages who have longterm skills instead of this fly-by-night muscleman bullshit Vince loves so much.
 

Striker

Member
Only saw the show via youtube, but the Cener-Punk-Ryback feud is so boring. Heyman's just fluff. :\

Can they get a proper feud for Cesaro? With the lack of faces, I don't think there's much to consider.
 

Ithil

Member
Only saw the show via youtube, but the Cener-Punk-Ryback feud is so boring. Heyman's just fluff. :\

Can they get a proper feud for Cesaro? With the lack of faces, I don't think there's much to consider.

Christian is ideal for him, as a well established veteran and great worker, who is happy to put over younger guys, but he's recovering from shoulder surgery.
 

Striker

Member
Christian is ideal for him, as a well established veteran and great worker, who is happy to put over younger guys, but he's recovering from shoulder surgery.
Only ones who would be worthwhile off the top of my head would be Christian and Tyson Kidd. But I can't see them properly pushing Kidd, unfortunately.
 

Aiii

So not worth it
I do not hate Ryberg. I do not think he gets a lukewarm response as most crowds seem to get pretty excited for him. I do think he needs some dental work done. I do think he can put on a good brutal HiaC match with Punk and I do think his push comes too soon, he should've been IC level for a while first, but whatcha gonna do. Also I do think I'm happy they didn't go with the only other option, Big Show.

There you go, analysis complete. You're Welcome!
 
That just means the crowd likes chanting it and not necessarily chanting it because they like Daniel Bryan.

Anyway time to wake up and smell the coffee. Ryback will be WWE Champion before Bryan.

The crowd went nuts for Daniel at the start of the show when he was called out, it took Cena constantly repeating "feed me more" in a city that he was over in for Ryback to get a reaction. There's every chance Ryback will be the WWE champion before Bryan even though he doesn't deserve it, he could just as easily be the next Khali.

Also on a different subject, it would be nice to get an apology for somebody insulting me when I predicted something that seemed pretty obvious to me. They disagreed with my prediction so obviously they had to call me weird and angry:

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Admittedly the typo in main event is a little painful.
 

krae_man

Member
Impossible because Rock is winning the belt at the Royal Rumble and Punk/Rock is the best feud there. Ryback is in the title picture because of WWE's failure to develop and elevate talent. There literally is nobody else

Uhh, The Rock isn't winning the World Title. Ryback should be building towards being the Smackdown Main Event at Wrestlemania.
 
I just caught up on the Kofi boch (I fast forwarded through it all on RAW) and damn. It seems like people are going out of their way to ensure Chris Hero needs to change his finisher with Barrett using an elbow and Kofi taking Miz out with one of his set-ups.
 
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